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[choqueiro]

Hi.

I´m going to buy some products to try the stack suggested in various threads (Uridine + choline+ dha+ vitamins).

Vitamins are the cofactor of these stack. I´m going to buy "Ortho Core" from AOR (see:http://www.aor.ca/ht...ducts.php?id=96). In the label it is said that the Vitamin E complex contains: 99.6 mg. of mixed Tocopherols and 10 mg. of mixed Tocotrienols.

For this stack it is suggested to take at least 500 IU or 1000 IU. I didn´t know how to make the conversion from mg. to IU but it seems that I´m very far from the suggested 500 or 1000 IU.

Some questions:

1) How much IU´s are in "Ortho Core" product??

2) Do you think that take 500 or 1000 IU of Vitamin E is unnecessary or harmful??

3) If I add one capsule of "Total E" from AOR (see: http://www.aor.ca/ht...ducts.php?id=89) to my "Ortho Core" daily intake, how many IU´s I´m taking daily?? Any problem in mixing this two products??

Thanks.

[MrHappy]

.67 x IU = mg for natural vitamin E
.45 x IU = mg for synthetic vitamin E

[MrHappy]

Conversely:
mg x 1.5 = IU for natural vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol)
mg x 2.2 = IU for synthetic vitamin E (dl-alpha-tocopherol)

Now you can easily convert both ways.

[choqueiro]

Ok. But in the AOR Ortho Core are: alpha, gamma and beta tocopherols and alfa, gamma and beta tocotrienoles. So in summary, taking AOR "Ortho Core" and AOR "Total E" I don´t know how much IU´s I´m taking.

[choqueiro]

Anyone knows how many IU´s are in AOR "Ortho Core" and in "Total E". With the rule that MrHappy gives me I can only know the amount of IU´s presents in alpha-tocopherol and in dl-alpha-tocopherol but as you can see these two products have also: gamma tocopherols and alpha, gamma and delta tocotrienols.

Thanks.

[MrHappy]

The AOR multi is about 125-150IU vitamin E. The separate AOR supplement is about 500IU.

As for general tocopherol knowledge:
http://en.m.wikipedi...wiki/Tocopherol

[pamojja]

A way to convert I found in Micronutrients: Metabolic Tuning - Prevention - Therapy:

1 mg α-tocopherol Equivalent
= 1,1 mg α-tocopherolacetat
= 2 mg β-tocoherol
= 4 mg γ-tocopherol
= 100 mg δ-tocopherol
= 3,3 mg α-tocotrienol
= 1,49 mg all-rac-α-tocopherolacetat
= 1,49 I.U.

[niner]

I´m going to buy some products to try the stack suggested in various threads (Uridine + choline+ dha+ vitamins).

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2) Do you think that take 500 or 1000 IU of Vitamin E is unnecessary or harmful??

What is the reason for taking this large dose of E? I presume there's some sort of rationale for it, but I don't know what it is, so it may or may not be 'necessary'. As for being harmful, all substances have a dose vs. health promotion curve. They are never linear. Any substance that can improve your health at one dose can harm it at a different dose. Whether or not 500 or 1000 IU of E is harmful, or harmful enough to notice, I don't know. The Institute of Medicine puts a lot of effort from a lot of very knowledgeable people into setting RDAs, and 500 or 1000 IU is a lot higher than the RDA.

There are posts or threads here that describe dangers from excessive supplementation of uridine, choline, and DHA when taken separately. I see no reason why that wouldn't apply to the combination.

[choqueiro]

I think like you niner but I'm not the expert. Maybe MrHappy could answer you.

[choqueiro]

I think that I´m going to start with the Ortho Core (AOR) only.

More motives for being worried about mega dosing with vitamin E:

http://www.cbsnews.c...ain654887.shtml

Happy New Year!!!

[Hebbeh]

I think that I´m going to start with the Ortho Core (AOR) only.

More motives for being worried about mega dosing with vitamin E:

http://www.cbsnews.c...ain654887.shtml

Happy New Year!!!

I'm not particularly in favor of mega dosing E...but it was a Meta Study and such studies are often flawed...the obvious is sick or unhealthy people will often resort to mega dosing vitamins as a last resort....does that mean the vitamins killed them? Also, it is now known that if you supplement E, you should be supplementing a balanced mixed tocopherol formula but most only mega dose the cheap alpha-tocopherol which is known to cause a deficiency of the other tocopherols in the body...and thus in these common cases you can actually cause a deficiency (possibly severe) by supplementing and mega dosing only one tocopherol and causing a severe in-balance.

Edited by Hebbeh, 30 December 2011 - 12:58 PM.

[MrHappy]

The tocopherol DV has been revised by a number of bodies. This is why most of the manufacturers now sell Vitamin E products in that range. There have been studies indicating benefits at higher doses.
http://www.umm.edu/a...in-e-000341.htm
http://ods.od.nih.go...sheets/vitamine (scroll to the section Cogntive Decline)
http://www.webmd.com...tName=VITAMIN E

500-1000IU is still far below tolerable upper limits for humans.

http://www.lef.org/V...ocopherols.html
http://www.amazon.co...aw/d/B0013OW91A
http://www.solgar.co...an-Softgels.htm