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#1 BDon

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 12:31 PM


This regimen is for general health for a bodybuilder. I do have some joint issues and want this regimen for longevity (anti-aging), more testosterone naturally from zinc and what not. Check it out. I'm 21 years old, pretty healthy, low-carber and I don't like to eat much fructose, sugars etc. Mainly lentils/split-peas. + lots of chicken breast

Necessities:
Liquid Fish-Oil
Vit. D-3
Vit. C (Should I even get this? some say 3g-6g daily is great for dieuretic, laxative and general health from not getting sick).
SAMe
CoQ-10 (Ubiq.)
ZMA
Zinc, Magnesium
Glycine (Post-workout 10g?)
Lysine (Post-workout 10g?)
Cissus

Should I bother with?:
Vit. A?
Vit. B's? (B6 p-5-p specifically)
Vit. E?
Calcium (D-Gluc) Joints?
Manganese?
Glucosamine,Msm, Chondroitin (Studies have turned me off unfortunately plus take forever to work)
Hydrolized Collagen I, III and/or II
Injuv. Hylauranic Acid (usually comes with Glucosamine prop blend joint products)
I-3-C (Or just consume lots of spinach, leafy greens, lettuce)

Considering in the future: NAC, R-ALA, GSE, well-blended anti-oxidant supplement (LEF), well-blended multi-vitamin (Ortho-Core or LEF Multi-Extensions), Krill Oil, Salmon Oil, Astanxanthin

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My questions:
1. Can I take more zinc 3x daily at 30mg (morning, 30mg pre-workout and 30mg before bed with Magnesium and B6).
2. What are a necessity for a bodybuilder such like minerals/vitamins, etc that bodybuilders need for crazy, intensive lifting that causes deficiency in certain min./vits? I researched only B6, Zinc. Mag. That's it?
3. I researched that Glucosamine, MSM, Chond. is waste and reduces insulin sensitivty, glut-4 receptors. etc.


Thank you! :)

#2 The Immortalist

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 07:45 PM

Live heavy, eat a ton of protein, calories and take a multi?

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 08:04 PM

I used to eat a lot of pills, powders and had a hefty regimen. Sure I was somewhat big. But...

I have a friend who was skinny as fuck. Then he started working out, he only eats three times a day and he works out 3-4 times a week.

So what happened? He became huge. I am so jealous of him. Iv´e seen him do so many errors but he still managed.

What does he do? He sleeps the same amount of hours every night, he does this naturally. He is only hungry those times when he eats, and he get´s full very easily, so he can keep his diet. He works out the same hours and day´s every week.

Iv´e asked him about this and he doesn´t even think about it, he does this naturally. So I guess it´s the way he is programmed.

I never did that, I slept differently, often too much, ate too much and at irregular hours even though I worked out sometimes up to 6 times a week. I suffer from DSPS btw.

He has been consistent with everything! That often works when it comes to bodybuilding. And he has only been working out for 1 year, he is bigger than I ever was and I worked out for 3½ years.

Why do you need zma and magnesuim with zinc? These are basically the same supplements. Just eat ZMA if you are going to eat supps.

I recommend:

ZMA
Calcium
Omega-3
B-12
Multivitamin
Post workout lean protein.

That´s it.

Yes, spinach and broccoli is good. Eat more vegetables than fruits, I would cut fruits completely if I was trying to loose fat. Meat and vegetables are your main source of food. Be consistent!

#4 BDon

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:41 PM

Thank you well yes I do not eat much Fruits, Cereals, etc. I Just feel I am losing some natural phytonutrients from not eating fruits for awhile. I do this to stay lean. I eat veggies, meat, and lentils/split-peas. Consistency is key of course! I was just told that as a bodybuilder you lose lots of specific minerals and vitamins and so you nee to take thing like Zinc, specific minerals/antioxidants before exercise. After take Magnesium, minerals/antioxidants and what not. So I tried researching but all I found was Zinc, Magnesium, Vitamin B's (are what we lose). If someone can elaborate on this I'd appreciate it.

I need to stick with the necessities also it'll be summer so I don't think i'll need Vitamin C as it is not winter if anything i'll take a regular absorbic acid.
Vitamin A - is this necessary?
Calcium - I do need because lactose intolerant but what kind D-Glucarate i hear is the best.
Why B-12 specfically and not B-3, B-6 or complex?

I am looking to try out CoQ (ubiq.), SAMe. I am 21 years old so I hear i do not need coq but it has good results with anaerobic exercises, etc.
SAMe = better mood, better joints, feel goo. Reminds me of 5-HTP
Vitamin E? I hear post-workout is great but I doubt I need as it's for more skin I assume?

Thanks guys!

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 01:19 AM

You get b6 from your ZMA. Other B´s you already get from all the meat you eat. Some vitamin -D could be good also.

Look, supplements are really unnecessary if you don´t lack something either from your diet or if you have some kind of ailment. The only reason I recommend the others is because of their anabolic properties.

Zinc promotes tissue healing and regeneration.
B12 affects proteinsynthesis and it is preferred if one combines it with B6. (Take methylcobalamin because of your Gi problems).
Magnesium because you eat Calcium and also the reasons you mention, this is good for oxygen transport.
Omega-3 because of it´s anti inflammatory properties and also it´s anabolic.
Eat somewhat of cholesterol because it transports testosterone in your body.

That´s all you need man.

Edited by Brainfogged, 08 April 2012 - 01:20 AM.

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#6 BDon

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 01:42 AM

Thank you yes I considered just to look into these.

* Vit. D-3 *
* Omega-3
* Cissus (joints)

Considering: CoQ10, SAMe?

Maybe to experiement: * Natural Test-Booster / D-Aspartic Acid?

For omega-3 what is the best that's high-dosed. I found one that's 2000mg EPA, 1000mg DHA is that enough daily?

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 01:36 AM

Well I think that 1g of omega-3 is enough if you don´t suffer from a neurological condition. Carrots contain a lot of vitamin- A.

Forget the rest of the pills except for cissus if you have joint issues. You are just wasting your money and probably your liver if don´t. If you really really need those supps then here´s a few recommendations on multivitamins. But personally I think you are good with a simple regimen.

http://www.bodybuild...e/now/adam.html
http://www.bodybuild.../animalpak.html
http://www.bodybuild...ltivitamin.html

#8 BDon

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 03:45 AM

Brainfogged,

I heard specific supplements can result in androgenic/anabolic effects. Vit-D3 being one of them, Zinc high-dosed, Magnesium high-dosed. Along with Omega-3 (EPA/DHA) high dosed combined along with some other things specifically like Cissus Quad. But I'm just focusing on good food, rest, training. That's it. I typically carb cycle 3-4 days low carb then 4th day high carbs. I'm getting just Protein Powder mainly. Vitamin D-3 and Omega-3 that's it. If anything Possibly more protein and BCAA (Aminos) during workout or so since I do low-carb.

I'm considering creatine nitrate or creatine creapure but just bloats me. per haps 3-5g daily is enough!

You bodybuild too Brainfogged? Also for joint what do you recommend

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:57 AM

My and a friend have find that taken idebenone is greaty for making longer en heavier sets.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 05:05 PM

Brainfogged,

I heard specific supplements can result in androgenic/anabolic effects. Vit-D3 being one of them, Zinc high-dosed, Magnesium high-dosed. Along with Omega-3 (EPA/DHA) high dosed combined along with some other things specifically like Cissus Quad. But I'm just focusing on good food, rest, training. That's it. I typically carb cycle 3-4 days low carb then 4th day high carbs. I'm getting just Protein Powder mainly. Vitamin D-3 and Omega-3 that's it. If anything Possibly more protein and BCAA (Aminos) during workout or so since I do low-carb.

I'm considering creatine nitrate or creatine creapure but just bloats me. per haps 3-5g daily is enough!

You bodybuild too Brainfogged? Also for joint what do you recommend


I used to be a bodybuilder although my results varied. But I never stopped reading up and researching because I find both working out and nutrition very interesting, I have done so for 15 years.

About Magnesium, both magnesium and calcium are dependant of each other! This means that both minerals require each other for their absorption and utilization on many levels. If you are upping the one. You need to do the same on the other. But if you are supplementing then you are already on sufficient levels. Too much magnesium results in diarrhoea. There is no evidence that I have found that overdosing zinc is anabolic. Zinc is required in very small dosages although essential but a lack of it is uncommon. It is also helpful if you have intestinal problems or heal slowly. I don't find that more than 30mg would be necessary, your body wont probably absorb more than that.

Creatine retains water in the body. Could be a reason for your bloatedness. Follow the dosages if you are going on creatine. High amounts of protein and creatine can in rare cases affect kidney functions.

BCAA is good on a fasted stomach if you are working out, this will prevent catabolism.

I don´t have any science on that overdosing Omega-3 have anabolic properties. Although studies suggest that omega itself can be anabolic, but I doubt that overdosing is required.

I once bought a joint complex containing glucosamin/msm/chondriotin combined with gelatin. It took a month but I started noticing something, my joint felt somewhat better. But Cissus is great cause it also takes away the pain and starts working almost in a week, a combination of these would be something. So I find Cissus working the best for aching joints.Galactolipid´s could also be beneficial if you have issues. Remember that vitamin-C is essential for collagen build-up which is required for joint health.

I recommend some carbs the day you work out and minimum amounts of it on rest days.

Please keep in mind that your body can only absorb so much. Even too much protein is wasted through urine so don´t waste your money on overdosing. Buy food instead! I´d invest the money on lean cut meats and make myself tasty dinners or maybe buy some athletic rings and kettlebells.

There are a few books out there about the supplement industry, on how to make your own supplements and which supplements are mere bullshit. Keep on reading :sleep:

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:37 AM

genetics have alot to do with it.

#12 livenprosper

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 10:32 PM

Nitric Oxide, Creatine and Glutamine have consistently done the trick for my buddies and me.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 10:41 PM

Nitric Oxide, Creatine and Glutamine have consistently done the trick for my buddies and me.


I just did a quick search and this looks like a nice well-rounded list of bodybuilding supplements for beginners. I'd just add in a dosage of nitric oxide into the mix for faster results.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:19 AM

CoQ 10 and SAMe are not really necessary, especially CoQ 10 which I recently read about in a review article (from Nutrition Action magazine) - essentially does nothing in healthy people. CoQ 10's is marketed to "improve mitochondria functioning" since CoQ 10 is an antioxidant found in the mitochondria, but when given as a supplement CoQ 10 was found to not improve mitochondrial functioning. There is also little or no evidence that supports taking CoQ 10 to treat heart disease, cancer, neurological diseases, or muscle pain.

SAMe seems to be used fairly commonly can be good for some people to help treat mood issues/depression/anxiety/ect., either by itself or with other supplements. However, to have any impact on mood (or knee arthritis) it is recommended to take 800-1,600 mg of SAMe every day, which could be expensive.

I agree with the above poster(s) who said you don't really need vitamins or supplements unless you have a health condition or poor diet. If you are young and healthy and eat a balanced diet with some fruits, veggies, meat, and grains, you should be pretty well set health wise. I B-complex or a multi-vitamin can't hurt, and Fish oil is good stuff if you do not eat fish several times a week, but adding a bunch of random vitamins or supplements will never make or break you and is often a waste of money. As far as for body building I do not know as much about what supplements might help you with that, so I won't comment.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:23 PM

low-carber
Eating low carb will kill the efficiency of your muscle gains (good for cutting). That is, you will end up having to eat a lot more. While meeting your caloric requirements, you should be getting at least 40% of those calories from carbs. Pick whatever carbs you'd like, but you need to be at 40%. The popular ratios I see that seem to work are 40% carbs, 30% protein, 30% fat or 40% carbs, 40% protein, and 20% fat.

Vit. D-3
Vitamin D-3 should be taken with vitamin K2 (MK-7, maybe MK-4 as well) to ensure that it doesn't result in calcium being deposited in the arteries or soft tissue. This is especially the case if you begin supplementing calcium.

Vit. C (Should I even get this? some say 3g-6g daily is great for dieuretic, laxative and general health from not getting sick).
From the studies I've read, only about 200mg is needed in addition to the RDA to get the positive effects (that is, there is no difference in effect between 200mg of Vitamin C and, say, 1000mg). But more importantly, if you supplement with more than 1-2g for a long period of time, then your body will become accustomed to the dosage, and if you were to reduce your intake, then it is very likely that you will get scurvy. Given that, it doesn't seem worth it to take too much. All this goes out the window if you become particularly ill, or otherwise need a short term spike in intake. I've also read that many forms of vitamin C supplements are garbage, and can be rough on the digestive system, and so it is recommended that most of your vitamin C intake come from real food. I take 500mg of PureWay-C as it seems to be absorbed better, and I'm looking into liposomal vitamin C, but I'm not sure if it's necessary to go to such an extreme.

CoQ-10 (Ubiq.)
If you are over 30, then you may get some benefit from this.

ZMA
Zinc, Magnesium

These two are the same, and as has been said before you would need to ensure you are getting enough calcium to balance the intake of magnesium. Magnesium is often a recommended supplement because most don't get enough from their daily diet. If you are already getting enough of this from food, then you don't really have to worry. I supplement 2g of Magnesium L-Threonate anyway.

Glycine (Post-workout 10g?)
Lysine (Post-workout 10g?)

BCAAs pre-workout (rather than whey protein, and hopefully before you eat, or after having not eating for a few hours) along with your pre-workout supplements, then fast carbs (juiced vegetables may work here) and food along with your post-workout supplements after. Propionyl L-Carnitine (pre-) or L-Carnitine L-Tartrate (post-) are good supplements to help with energy and recovery, respectively.

Cissus
I've heard this being great for those with joint pain/problems.

Should I bother with?:
Vit. A?
Vit. B's? (B6 p-5-p specifically)
Vit. E?
Calcium (D-Gluc) Joints?
Manganese?

Just ensure that you are getting your RDAs, and you'll be fine.

Glucosamine,Msm, Chondroitin (Studies have turned me off unfortunately plus take forever to work)
Hydrolized Collagen I, III and/or II
Injuv. Hylauranic Acid (usually comes with Glucosamine prop blend joint products)
I-3-C (Or just consume lots of spinach, leafy greens, lettuce)

I've heard about these being used to help get more youthful skin, but I suppose some say that it helps with their joint tissue/cartilage. I was looking into these as well (for skin care mainly, but the joint thing doesn't hurt), but I was turned off for some reason. Maybe it's because I have amalgam fillings and MSM causes the flooding of mercury into the bloodstream which could later end up anywhere (even in the brain). Some say R-ALA has this same mercury chelating effect, and it's not good if you still have the amalgam fillings in, as they can just leech mercury from the fillings, and that mercury could easily end up in your brain (very hard to get rid of).

NAC
Some don't bother with this as it supposedly destroys mucus membranes (in your nose?).

well-blended anti-oxidant supplement (LEF),
This would be great. Maybe you can also look into liposomal glutathione.

well-blended multi-vitamin (Ortho-Core or LEF Multi-Extensions)
Absolutely, and you can use CRON-o-meter to ensure that you don't take more than you need.

Krill Oil
I use this rather that fish oil. I'm not sure if this is true, but the claim is that taking 1g of Neptune Krill Oil is equivalent to 5g of regular fish oil without the higher risk of mercury toxicity and rancidity.

Astanxanthin
This is highly recommended (4mg might do it, 8mg otherwise) for its ability to increase endurance, and for its skin protecting effects.

I would also recommend Milk Thistle, and at least 1 gallon of water everyday to help protect your liver. Piracetam is great pre-workout, as it potentiates almost everything, helps with your breathing and use of oxygen, and helps to keep you clear and focused.

I think the best things you can do to help your gains are to lift heavy and to failure (preferrably after 3-5 reps, but others say 8-12), avoid catabolic cardio, get enough calories in the right ratio, and, if you can, then follow the 16/8 intermittent fasting protocol (get in all your calories/vitamins/minerals within the same 8 hour window everyday). I'm assuming you already know about the minimum 1g protein per pound of lean body mass, etc.

You can also do a panel after you lift for a while to see if you are running low or are deficient in anything (if you can easily afford it).

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 04:52 PM

Stay away from DAA for now. The study on it was small, very short (about 2 weeks), they did not conduct a safety study, and there is good reason to fear that long term use (or even short term, who knows?) may be harmful, since it is exitotoxic (may kill the brain cells it stimulates and might therefore cause long term problems with sexual and hormonal health).




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