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[Orajel]

After hearing about the FDA ban on DMAA, I'm looking for something to replace it in my pre workout DMAA + yohimbe team. I've got a good thing going with that but I'm looking to try ephedra (or ephedrine) + yohimbe.

Any idea on where to get ephedrine or ephedra alkaloids? I can't find conclusive answers anywhere

[Luminosity]

Don't use ephedra that way. It is basically speed. It's only healthy to use it for certain health problems. Not for energy or weightless. They banned it because of those uses.

[Orajel]

Don't use ephedra that way. It is basically speed. It's only healthy to use it for certain health problems. Not for energy or weightless. They banned it because of those uses.

Is it truly worse than caffeine? From what I've read, there's only one conclusive death associated with ephedrine use. In contrast, I've read 6 conclusive deaths from caffeine use, and thousands of hospitalizations beyond that.

[Lufega]

I used it for 4 months for weight loss. Crazy stuff. Had some sexual side effects. Unless you need to shed massive amounts of fat, I'd skip it. Combining it with yohimbe is also potentially dangerous (your poor heart). Caffeine seems the most innocuous.

[Major Legend]

don;t combine it with yohimbe ever, thats a stupid idea.

Ephedra has severely strong peripheral side effects, versus its cognitive effects thats why its considered such a second rate stimulant, people only uses it because its so hard to get hold of amphetamines, its highly addictive and its very very bad for circulation and heart health. Caffeine only has bad effects at insane high doess, ephedra is powerful even at normal doses. Also Caffeine is much more widespread so 6 deaths from caffeine usually the person already had an underlying problem.

Mixing it with yohimbe which has crappy side effects will just make it into one horrible jittery nightmare.

Anyways i highly advise against ephedra but you can buy it in chinese medicine called ma huang its highly potent and I suggest starting low and only using sporadically...tolerance builds fast as its a form of speed.

[Orajel]

don;t combine it with yohimbe ever, thats a stupid idea.

Ephedra has severely strong peripheral side effects, versus its cognitive effects thats why its considered such a second rate stimulant, people only uses it because its so hard to get hold of amphetamines, its highly addictive and its very very bad for circulation and heart health. Caffeine only has bad effects at insane high doess, ephedra is powerful even at normal doses. Also Caffeine is much more widespread so 6 deaths from caffeine usually the person already had an underlying problem.

Mixing it with yohimbe which has crappy side effects will just make it into one horrible jittery nightmare.

Anyways i highly advise against ephedra but you can buy it in chinese medicine called ma huang its highly potent and I suggest starting low and only using sporadically...tolerance builds fast as its a form of speed.

Thanks for the advice I'll definitely try ephedra solo before mixing it with anything else. My hope is that it will be effective enough without yohimbe, but as of yet I haven't found any legal stims that give me good effects by themselves. Yohimbe also makes me sweat, maybe ephedra won't. I get the feeling it might be safer too

[Cephalon]

Skip the ephedrine!
I was hospitalized with cardiac dysfunction age 25 after taking Ephedrine Caffeine and Yohimbine. I thought I had to die! Because my BP/HB changed every second they had to give me beta blockers and nitroglycerin alternating. It was horrible. I took Ephedrine for some month but it did not relay help in any regard. I also took Clenbuterol with it. Looking back I can not believe how stupid I was. I'm sure there are more reported death linked to Ephedrine, and if not there will be a bunch uncovered death.

Did you try other alternatives such as tyrosine, rhodiola, modafinil. .. ?

Ephedrine is banned as well, so where is the point in swapping an almost banned with th an banned?
Did you look into phenylpiracetam? This one is supposed to work as well. ..

I'm looking for a save stimulant myself currently but only found modafinil to be a good candidate. Would love to have another option to alternate though. ..

[Major Legend]

yeah...its really one of those banned for a good reason I believe.

[Orajel]

Skip the ephedrine!
I was hospitalized with cardiac dysfunction age 25 after taking Ephedrine Caffeine and Yohimbine. I thought I had to die! Because my BP/HB changed every second they had to give me beta blockers and nitroglycerin alternating. It was horrible. I took Ephedrine for some month but it did not relay help in any regard. I also took Clenbuterol with it. Looking back I can not believe how stupid I was. I'm sure there are more reported death linked to Ephedrine, and if not there will be a bunch uncovered death.

Did you try other alternatives such as tyrosine, rhodiola, modafinil. .. ?

Ephedrine is banned as well, so where is the point in swapping an almost banned with th an banned?
Did you look into phenylpiracetam? This one is supposed to work as well. ..

I'm looking for a save stimulant myself currently but only found modafinil to be a good candidate. Would love to have another option to alternate though. ..

You mixed ephedra with caffeine, yohimbe, and clenbuterol? Jeez no wonder you ended up in the hospital, you can hardly mount the blame on ephedra. Glad your ok though.

I'm mainly interested in takin stuff that isn't illegal, that's why I haven't taken clenbuterol or modafinil. Rhodiola is pretty mild for the applications I'm looking for. I was under the impression that ephedra had been unbanned due to the 2004 court appeal, but if it is banned, I'll skip it. In all reality yohimbe is far more dangerous, let's be honest and understand why ephedrine was banned in the first place (methamphetamine production).

[Lufega]

Ephedra was banned because, when combined with stupidity, had the potential to be dangerous. The meth part if probably a more important reason. Some of the deaths associated with ephedrine came from using high doses and running for one hour in high noon sun. So yeah, darwinism wins.

[rg8032]

Ephedrine was not 'banned'. Don't be a fool. Marketing ephedrine for specific uses was banned. You can still buy it over the counter. Go to a drug store and pick up "Bronkaid" (a bronchodilator/expectorant marketed for asthma). Occasionally, you can still find it in decongestants at gas stations. Oh, before one of you fools ask, I am referring to ephedrine and not pseudoephedrine. Go buy you some.

[The Immortalist]

After hearing about the FDA ban on DMAA, I'm looking for something to replace it in my pre workout DMAA + yohimbe team. I've got a good thing going with that but I'm looking to try ephedra (or ephedrine) + yohimbe.

Any idea on where to get ephedrine or ephedra alkaloids? I can't find conclusive answers anywhere

Why do you want to use ephedrine as a pre workout supplement? That's a horrible idea. When I tried ephedrine to help my weight loss it made my heart rate go up much more then it usually did without taking ephedrine.

[jadamgo]

Ephedrine is entirely unsuitable as a replacement for DMAA. If you absolutely need a norepinephrine releaser, you could consider low-dose pseudoephedrine to combine with your yohimbine. But really, the yohimbine by itself ought to do the trick. Yohimbine has strong central and peripheral effects on its own. Consider increasing the dose of yohimbine further than you currently have it, instead of mixing it with another stimulant.

Or if you really want to combine it with another stimulant, choose something safer than ephedrine. Pseudoephedrine is barely acceptable for this purpose. But even better would be something like pramiracetam, oxiracetam, caffeine, sulbutiamine, or panax ginseng.

[Solipsis]

Please do yourself a favor and avoid ephedra / ephedrine. Because it's a beta-hydroxy PEA and those are particularly not good for your heart and rest of your cardiovascular system. There must be alternatives that boost metabolism more subtly / passively instead of boosting your whole CNS.

Ephedrine-like compounds are basically the whole core of concern why illicit drugs such as mephedrone are deemed so harmful.

DMAA is very thermogenic but otherwise a very dirty, even disgusting compound to my body. I don't think I could recommend that either.

[LazarusMan]

I have a few pounds of ephedra sinica sitting in my closet which I believe is 1% ephedrine by weight. Anyone thing this is an overall safer way to take ephedrine (in tea form)? I plan to try it by making one gram tea to try it out.

[Solipsis]

No, why would it? In some cases I would value plant extracts over some chemical like cactus alkaloids over mescaline (apart from the increased nausea chances!!). But with these jittery adrenergic compounds just expect to be pumped with too much side-effect. Whether it's pure or not. There is caffeine, one step higher I consider there to be synephrine, then another step higher ephedrine.
I mean: sorry if you cannot get a proper stimulant but that doesn't make the physical effects of these dirty stims feel less panic attack like. Yes, granted when I did not know any better I thought it did the job keeping me going for an evening - when I was young I did think they did perform better than caffeine, but honestly a lot qualifies for that because caffeine is a bad drug as well. I say: it can't really hurt to check a little tea of it (though watch out, it can be straining on the heart to a disproportionate extent!), but beyond that I would just choose if I would wait for an actual drug that is worth the side effects or abstain.

[Cephalon]

Skip the ephedrine!
I was hospitalized with cardiac dysfunction age 25 after taking Ephedrine Caffeine and Yohimbine. I thought I had to die! Because my BP/HB changed every second they had to give me beta blockers and nitroglycerin alternating. It was horrible. I took Ephedrine for some month but it did not relay help in any regard. I also took Clenbuterol with it. Looking back I can not believe how stupid I was. I'm sure there are more reported death linked to Ephedrine, and if not there will be a bunch uncovered death.

Did you try other alternatives such as tyrosine, rhodiola, modafinil. .. ?

Ephedrine is banned as well, so where is the point in swapping an almost banned with th an banned?
Did you look into phenylpiracetam? This one is supposed to work as well. ..

I'm looking for a save stimulant myself currently but only found modafinil to be a good candidate. Would love to have another option to alternate though. ..

You mixed ephedra with caffeine, yohimbe, and clenbuterol? Jeez no wonder you ended up in the hospital, you can hardly mount the blame on ephedra. Glad your ok though.

I'm mainly interested in takin stuff that isn't illegal, that's why I haven't taken clenbuterol or modafinil. Rhodiola is pretty mild for the applications I'm looking for. I was under the impression that ephedra had been unbanned due to the 2004 court appeal, but if it is banned, I'll skip it. In all reality yohimbe is far more dangerous, let's be honest and understand why ephedrine was banned in the first place (methamphetamine production).

I know that was reckless... But I took ephedrine hcl on many occasions before simply because I did not know better/ had nothing else ... I thought. There are alternatives - for example RC stims which do not want to endorse either - but they are a lot milder on the system in my experiance compared to ephedrine.

Ephedrine has a pretty bad crash imo. I was in a really bad mood all the time. My heart rate was insane. There is nothing I miss about ephedrine. If you are looking for a good preworkout supp try Craze by Driven Sports

[alan.r]

I'd agree with all the anti-ephedra sentiment above. And I never really liked the effects I got from yohimbe either - I can't imagine it being a very effective workout supplement.

My own supplement regimen years ago (weightlifting) was arginine/ornithine, creatine, lots of protein, and dhea. It worked well and got me up to 195 in a year, which is the most I've ever weighed.

Currently I'm involved in (low level) competitive cycling, where bulk is very much secondary to cardio output. Dhea is banned in the sport, so I just use ashvaghanda and creatine. And plenty of protein. Variants along the creatine line are "nitroblast" and so forth, and I'd definitely recommend those over any straight stim. I tried rhodiola and cordyceps for awhile, but like so many things I couldn't tell the difference when I stopped, so I don't bother anymore. Workouts and performance are fine, and recoveries are fine, so I'm pretty satisfied to keep it simple now.

Edited by alan.r, 25 December 2013 - 07:03 AM.

[Ultravioletbllc]

I love how when the health reactions and a reliable drug like modafinil is brought up .... The whole tune changes too looking for only a legal drug ..... Either way all I can say about ephedrine and ephedra as a dried herb is that the shit is extreme ..... My first use was a glowing report ..... Anything after that was panic attack in a pill I'd steer far clear of it if you value your circulatory system the way it is NOW

[gonzolo]

Everyone has different experiences with drugs it seems.. Ephedrine HCL is legal in Canada in 8mg pills and is OTC. Way better than bronkaid.

 

In my experience, 8mg of ephedrine combined with say 200mg-300mg of caffiene (both in pill form) is an extremely useful stimulant stack which is noticeably more effective than low doses of adderall for me without an aweful crash that adderall / amphetamines can give.

 

I do not recommend taking them as a preworkout and do not recommend pushing yourself to have intense workouts while taking them. You might strain yourself and not even notice it because of the stimulants.

 

Ephedrine is totally safe if you are not reckless with it. Yohimbe is absolute garbage in my opinion, and the only thing I would ever mix with ephedrine is caffiene.

 

Ephedrine is extremely stimulating, much more so than just dextroamphetamine, especially if you stack it with another stimulant. One time I took a tiny amount of adderall with ephedrine, and I was straight up tweeking. It was a lot of stimulation.

 

Overall though I recommend not using it at all for purposes of working out...

Edited by gonzolo, 15 May 2014 - 06:30 AM.