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[Selfmade]

What are the best nootropics for verbal fluency??

I heard that Pramiracetam increases verbal fluency, are there any more or stronger ones that increases verbal fluency??

[ta5]

I would like to know what people suggest for this also.

Anything good for memory recall will be good for verbal fluency since so much of verbal fluency is simply remembering the words for things.

[therein]

I am still wondering this. I am looking for a very memory and verbal fluency oriented racetam.

[Geoffrey]

I'd have thought anything that is an ampakine or has ampakine-like effects would be the most obviously helpful. So, prototypically, aniracetam, but also good old piracetam. Personally I find sunifiram (which is either an ampakine or is ampakine-like) increases verbal fluency, but see the "Sunifiram?" thread for pros and cons of taking this experimental drug. What *really* works for me is low-dose sunifiram (4 to 5mg) combined with low-dose armodafinil (QUARTER of a 150mg tablet, i.e. 37.5mg). This is nicely stimulating, induces clarity of mind and thought, and ease of recall, enhancing fluency of thought and speech. HOWEVER, see the WARNING from Climactic (in the Sunifiram thread and also in the Sunifiram side effects thread) about the dangers of taking sunifiram and modafinil at more than minimal doses. It would certainly be safer to try aniracetam + (r-)modafinil first. Do stick to low doses of modafinil, because high doses can DECREASE verbal fluency (inducing a "tip-of-tongue" feeling when trying to recall things). As with all these things, dosing is crucial. Almost all of the -racetams and modafinil have a bell-shaped dose-response curve, whereby "too much" (whatever that is personally for you) can have paradoxical effects (inducing brain fog, fatigue, short-term loss of memory -- the opposite of what you are looking for).

[therein]

I agree entirely. I've tried many of those combinations. I know exactly what I mean by the tip of the tongue situation with Modafinil. It's almost like being able to fully comprehend the concepts at that time, fully be able to imagine what you want to say but just fail to find the words for it. I was very excited when Sunifiram came out, I was one of the first to try it too. I never really got great effects from it. Maybe months of piracetam use somehow desensitized/downregulated my AMPA or NMDA receptors. At first I didn't get any benefits, and then I started getting side effects. I hope Aniracetam will be different.

[Geoffrey]

Yes, I hesitated to recommend (r-)modafinil because on its own it's not that great for verbal fluency. It's just that I've had VERY good effects re. verbal fluency in LOW doses in combo with sunifiram. Low-dose moda might be OK on its own, but see the "Dark side of modafinil" thread for multiple accounts of it inducing "tip-of-the-tongue" feeling (I've experienced this too) at normal-to-high doses (i.e. anything above 100mg). Personally, I think people take way too much modafinil in general. The dosage of this drug was designed for keeping narcoleptics awake. People who don't have narcolepsy don't need more than 100mg to induce wakefulness IMHO. Oh, I should add that I take any combo of -racetams or -rams with choline, or else I get a headache very rapidly, which is counterproductive to verbal fluency.