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#1 Timothy

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:05 AM


Hi,

Taking a large number of supplements over the last 7 years will have generally exposed me to a larger range of chemicals in comparison to the average person. I'm inferring this from the fact that most supplements are 99% and never 100%.

From forum regulars, what would you say you would do about it? Which heavy metal detox, or chelation therapies, would you recommend? What are they? Is it a reasonable precaution we should be taking when we are getting a wide range of supplements from various suppliers?

I would like to see if there is a reasonable detox protocol that I could follow as a precaution... potentially once every 2 years.

Thoughts/Advice? Or am I being too careful?

-Tim

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 09:59 PM

Not sure on this one. Best I could say is get glutathione levels up. Some say do that by taking n-acetyl-cysteine though I think this actually raises levels of certain metals in the brain even though it lowers it in the body. I wouldn't recommend chelation by any stretch. There's too much playing around here and not enough science as I see it. The potential dangers seem to lessen the worth of the endeavour. For example, some chelation therapies chelate other important minerals in your body causing possible problems. I'm not sure that taking a chelator with these minerals would really do a person any good. Another example is that chelators transport metal from one place where it is immobilized to another where it can actively do damage again.

From what I can remember lithium protects the brain against damage from aluminum.

Antioxidants in general may help because I believe some damages from heavy metals are due to oxidative damage.

Edited by protoject, 14 October 2012 - 10:00 PM.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:13 PM

R-Alpha-lipoic acid
http://en.wikipedia....Metal_chelation

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:25 PM

R-Alpha-lipoic acid
http://en.wikipedia....Metal_chelation


I have Na-r-ala if you want some , manufacturer claims it's the best form because it doesn't polymerize, it's a salt.

I don't want it because if i take it for a couple days it feels like my brain's collapsing on itself. That was one of my reasons believe chelation is silly because I thought maybe the ala transported metals around in my brain. It could have been some other mechanism though I really have no idea.

Edited by protoject, 14 October 2012 - 10:25 PM.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:33 PM

It might have to do with it's blood sugar regulating effects(who knows if it regulates them right for you, etc), I could see that messing with your brain much more easily than heavy metal transportation. I've only taken it(NA-R-ALA 200-400mg) sporadically, but when I have it feels like it clears up my brain(hahah once again this could be due to changing levels of blood sugar). It also participates in a decent amount of cycles from a glance at the wikipedia page, so maybe taking it daily over saturates the end products of those.. no idea.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:26 AM

http://www.iherb.com...aCaps/4926?at=0 -- clinically proven to get rid of heavy metals

more potent version would be immune boost 77.

also, iodine.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:17 PM

I think bacopa can be used for this, but you would need the actual part of the plant, not just the extract, I think.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:36 PM

I think bacopa can be used for this, but you would need the actual part of the plant, not just the extract, I think.


The plant can absorb metals out of the ground. But, is there evidence that it can do it in your body?
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:10 PM

I think bacopa can be used for this, but you would need the actual part of the plant, not just the extract, I think.


The plant can absorb metals out of the ground. But, is there evidence that it can do it in your body?



Ah, I must have misread it. It actually looks like you would have to worry about consuming bacopa since it could contain the metals it extracted from the soil. :wacko:

It is actually a good thing you said that... I was thinking about growing bacopa plants for consumption on occasion. I guess I should have looked into it more.

Edited by brainslug, 15 October 2012 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:45 AM

How about standing over a powerful magnet bear foot in water for a couple of hours?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:46 PM

I know this is slightly off topic but is there anywhere that someone can obtain pure bacosides or a bacoside extract that has been processed to disclude other elements like heavy metals? I've never found a source

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 08:22 PM

Taking chlorella is one safe, natural way to detox from heavy metals, and it is a nutrient dense superfood, so you would be nourishing your body with one of the most nutritious substances in nature. It binds to toxic metals and helps to move them out of your body. It has a strong healing and regenerating ability.

Water fasting is a powerful way to detox, but one problem with it is that many people are so toxic that this method is too harsh. And the most benefits of a water fast happen after the third day. Most people cannot handle responsibilities like work or school doing a water fast. I actually don't recommend it for these reasons, and because it must be done carefully.

Juice fasting is a better alternative for most people, and you have all the nutrients and energy you need for daily activities.

The more toxic you are, the more careful you will need to be in detoxing too quickly. It's a good idea to take a 2-3 day break every week from a detox method, in order to give your liver, spleen, intestines and kidneys a break, unless you choose to do a fast.

Some additives in supplements that are unhealthy are magnesium stearate, stearic acid, and any calcium phosphate compound. When you eliminate these ingredients, the choice of supplement suppliers becomes very small.

As for something else to assist with detoxing, I am going to mention a taboo practice :ph34r: For the squeamish, stop reading.

If you have never done a colonic (aka colon hydrotherapy,) it is an excellent way to cleanse your body from the inside. It is not going to be only solution to remove toxins, but it will help tremendously, because you would be amazed what is stuck inside a toxic body that doesn't get removed during a regular bowel movement. An enema does not have the same effect, a colonic is much more thorough. If it is only done once, I would do it at the end of a detox method, but it would be more ideal to do one in the beginning of a detox, and one at the end. Of course, this is if you can afford it because these are not cheap. The first time I did one, I felt like I had lost about five pounds in my head. After seeing what came out, I was shocked :|o I was so glad I removed it.

That may be a lot more than you wanted to know, but there are many ways to go about it.
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 09:49 PM

I don't recommend any long term fasting as the above user noted. I think it's an extremely bad idea. Reason being that I've suffered damage for years after doing a long fast. I've also known other individuals who fasted for a long time and ended up going into the hospital with heart failure. This is not due to magical noted "toxins" nor is it from "retracing" back to a state of sickness. Your body already has detoxification mechanisms that it is always using. It's more likely that you're malnutritioned. Just read information on starvation and you will understand. Don't listen to Kooks like herbert shelton because he is full of shit. Anyway I am just posting this as a warning label because of the above poster. Also in regard to pill fillers like Mag Stearate, you have to ask yourself how much of the filler is going into your body a day, and how does this actually effect you [in this case- doesn't efffect you at all, sorry]. Just thought Id clear that up. [probably didn't need to but you never know who is reading]. Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Uh, alpha lipoic acid, sure, there are a lot of studies showing how great it is. But personally it freaks me out that it practically moves metals around in your body and is fat soluble and can dislodge metal from an organ into another organ or space in that organ , including the brain. I view this as harmful. I am sure there are some natural chelators that we are already eating day to day that might have some effect. Such as Cilantro if I'm not mistaken. I only like the idea of moving metals around if they are going to surely be excreted without causing irreversible damages elsewhere. Also I like to be sure I'm excreting only the toxic metals and not other essential metals that I need to function.

I think the funniest thing I've ever heard of is the Andy Cutler protocol. Take alpha lipoic acid forever so you can keep the metals constantly moving around, you don't want them to resettle and cause damage. And take it for the rest of your life. Jesus. I don't know much about the protocol but it seems like another one of those kook people that become obsessed with one particular thing and just run with it even if there's no evidence or extremely limited evidence and base all their ideas on speculation. On top of that you gotta love the whole Guru Cult Following ordeals that happen in these situations. Man we will cling on to anything to feel good about the world and feel in control.

Edited by protoject, 19 October 2012 - 09:53 PM.


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Posted 20 October 2012 - 12:31 AM

Hi,

Taking a large number of supplements over the last 7 years will have generally exposed me to a larger range of chemicals in comparison to the average person. I'm inferring this from the fact that most supplements are 99% and never 100%.

From forum regulars, what would you say you would do about it? Which heavy metal detox, or chelation therapies, would you recommend? What are they? Is it a reasonable precaution we should be taking when we are getting a wide range of supplements from various suppliers?

I would like to see if there is a reasonable detox protocol that I could follow as a precaution... potentially once every 2 years.

Thoughts/Advice? Or am I being too careful?

-Tim



I am sorry but what kind of supplements would you get heavy metal poisoning from? Is it all of them but in large quantities? Sorry, I am newbie here.

Edited by alecnevsky, 20 October 2012 - 12:32 AM.


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Posted 20 October 2012 - 01:24 AM

Some supplements don't necessarily get tested for heavy metals out of carelessness, mostly bulk powders, but companies cut corners all the time so it wouldn't be surprising to find that people who take lots of supplements have higher amounts of metals. It would mostly be from build up over time and doubtfully all supplements as I'd guess it depends on how theyre made or what they are if heavy metals can even appear as impurities in them. I think the highest risk is from bulk powders manufactured in china, but there are also plants that take up heavy metals during growth like someone said above and when theyre made into supplement form not necessarily free of the metals(as an example rice even is apparently very good at absorbing arsenic from the soil and almost all rice products have a bit much, was a report that came out recently).

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 04:58 AM

Some supplements don't necessarily get tested for heavy metals out of carelessness, mostly bulk powders, but companies cut corners all the time so it wouldn't be surprising to find that people who take lots of supplements have higher amounts of metals. It would mostly be from build up over time and doubtfully all supplements as I'd guess it depends on how theyre made or what they are if heavy metals can even appear as impurities in them. I think the highest risk is from bulk powders manufactured in china, but there are also plants that take up heavy metals during growth like someone said above and when theyre made into supplement form not necessarily free of the metals(as an example rice even is apparently very good at absorbing arsenic from the soil and almost all rice products have a bit much, was a report that came out recently).


Interesting, apparently they used ALA in treating children affected by the Chernobyl incident. I wonder if unhealthy heavy metal accumulation can be avoided via this supplement alone. (That is, considering you will have detoxed and would want to maintain a healthy level of metals as it seems they're pretty much in everything including water, air and food.) Does it have to be RALA?

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:35 PM

I don't recommend any long term fasting as the above user noted. I think it's an extremely bad idea. Reason being that I've suffered damage for years after doing a long fast. I've also known other individuals who fasted for a long time and ended up going into the hospital with heart failure. This is not due to magical noted "toxins" nor is it from "retracing" back to a state of sickness. Your body already has detoxification mechanisms that it is always using. It's more likely that you're malnutritioned. Just read information on starvation and you will understand.



I’m sorry that those terrible experiences happened as a result of fasting, as I do have compassion for anyone who has suffered through anything. There was no indication whether those experiences were from a water fast, juice fast or some other type, or the duration.

If a fast continues beyond the point when the body’s nutrient reserves are exhausted, starvation would begin. Not eating past that point could cause severe damage to the body or even death.

I did not state that I recommend a “long fast.” I did mention it’s helpful to take a 2-3 day break in a week during a detox, unless doing a fast. I did not suggest a recommended length of time to do a fast. Perhaps it was irresponsible of me to leave so much open to interpretation. I apologize for that. I see how it would have been better to delve into this subject more thoroughly from the beginning.

I made a distinction between water and juice fasting, and my original post mentioned that I do not recommend water fasting. I understand very well this would be too harsh for most people, which is why I don’t recommend it.

I did, however, bring up the subject because water fasting does work for some people. I’ve done a 4 day water fast myself, with good results, and I know someone who did one for 10 days who was very pleased with the results. Her results were having more clarity and energy, and her problem with acne completely cleared up. She also fulfilled her nutritional requirements prior to and after the fast, following a strict water fasting protocol.

My experience was not as dramatic, but I did have more clarity, energy and an overall better sense of well-being after the water fast. I was feeling sluggish and toxic prior to the fast, and it cleared that up for me. I reveal this now, not to inspire anyone to do it, but just to share some real life experiences that did work well. It wasn’t a bad idea for either of us, but it may be unsuccessful, or even damaging for others.

If one chooses to do a water fast, a person should understand what pre-existing conditions could make it damaging. Ideally, it would be best to be in a fasting clinic or under supervision of a doctor or competent health professional.

Of course, we are not always living under ideal conditions. The book Fasting and Eating for Health: A Medical Doctor’s Program for Conquering Disease was written by Joel Fuhrman, M.D., a board-certified family physician. It gives detailed information about water fasting by a doctor who has supervised thousands of fasting patients.

When he was a young man before becoming a doctor, Fuhrman was an ice skating athlete who had a severe leg injury, causing him to be in pain and unable to walk for a year. While in the hospital, his doctor planned a surgery without patient consent. Only after Fuhrman demanded to know why, it was revealed that an experimental surgery was required for his foot to heal. Fuhrman refused, and his doctor told him if he didn’t do it, he would never walk again.

Since he had read books and articles about fasting, and his own arthritic father restored his health from fasting years earlier, he decided the technique was his best chance to recover. At the end of his fast, he was able to walk again, and after a year he placed third in the World Professional Figure Skating Championships.

A practice that could be damaging for one person may be healing for another. Dr. Fuhrman’s water fast was long, and may be a bad idea and unnecessary for most people, but it worked for him.

In the book Healthy Healing, Naturopathic Doctor Linda Page offers a different perspective from Dr. Fuhrman. She states: “A traditional water fast is harsh and demanding on your body, even in times before huge amounts of food and environmental toxins were part of the picture. Today, it can even be dangerous. Deeply buried pollutants and chemicals from our tissues are released into elimination channels too rapidly during a water fast. Your body is essentially “re-poisoned” as the chemicals move through the bloodstream all at once.”

Dr. Page is instead in favor of juice cleansing because vegetable and fruit juices are alkalizing, so they neutralize the uric acid and other inorganic acids better than water, and increase the healing effects. She explains that metabolic activity slows down during a water fast as the body attempts to conserve dwindling energy resources, so juices support better metabolic activity. Juices are easily assimilated into the bloodstream and easy on digestion, and they do not disturb the detoxification process.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:06 AM

Wouldn't the point of detoxification always be to get toxins into the bloodstream, and then excrete it through the kidneys? In which case ALA could also be used, or l-cysteine, provided that all toxins are excreted before stopping it. Guess the main question would be when does one know he's toxin free...

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:55 AM

I've had good results with Zeolites. My father was suffering from vertigo, chronic headaches, and other common symptoms of heavy metal toxicity and I got him to take some zeolites and the vertigo went away immediately. My buddy was suffering from heavy metal toxicity as well, although his case was harder to diagnose without doing a hair mineral analysis or any heavy metal test but he experienced great results from Zeolites. His clarity of vision instantly increased and he said it was like the weight of the world was being lifted off his shoulders. Although I didn't have enough heavy metals in my system to cause serious health issues I still take the zeolites everyday just a daily detox. We're exposed to heavy metals more than we think and despite what some people may think about them I don't want them in my body at all.

Wouldn't the point of detoxification always be to get toxins into the bloodstream, and then excrete it through the kidneys? In which case ALA could also be used, or l-cysteine, provided that all toxins are excreted before stopping it. Guess the main question would be when does one know he's toxin free...


You can either have blood tests done to check for heavy metals or a hair mineral analysis. Both work but I prefer the hair test just because metals are typically stored in tissue and aren't always circulating in the blood. I could be wrong though.

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Posted 28 April 2018 - 04:33 AM

I've had good results with Zeolites. My father was suffering from vertigo, chronic headaches, and other common symptoms of heavy metal toxicity and I got him to take some zeolites and the vertigo went away immediately. My buddy was suffering from heavy metal toxicity as well, although his case was harder to diagnose without doing a hair mineral analysis or any heavy metal test but he experienced great results from Zeolites. His clarity of vision instantly increased and he said it was like the weight of the world was being lifted off his shoulders. Although I didn't have enough heavy metals in my system to cause serious health issues I still take the zeolites everyday just a daily detox. We're exposed to heavy metals more than we think and despite what some people may think about them I don't want them in my body at all.



You can either have blood tests done to check for heavy metals or a hair mineral analysis. Both work but I prefer the hair test just because metals are typically stored in tissue and aren't always circulating in the blood. I could be wrong though.

http://truehealing.c...science-of-trs/

What does everyone think of this, nano zeolite spray? Claims to be a safe and effeftive chelator, which I need. I've reacted badly to chelators like ALA and DMSO, also to zinc and selenium which I believe can displace/mobilize toxic copper. The TRS product is expensive so I'd like to have a good idea before shelling out. 






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