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Cerebrolysin, Placentrex, B12, Glutathione

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#1 gatersaw

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 05:06 AM


IM injections require a 5 micron needle filter when drawing from ampules to avoid glass shard injection. Do not use wheel filters. Weaker ampules like placentrex are terrible with glass shards and will cause injection site pain, granulomas etc from glass being injected.

[personal narrative]I'm 34yo, white male. I've used cerebro to recuperate from pre-dementia which I believe was onset by a wheat gluten and oat avenin protein sensitivity and made worse by several years of high fat, high protein diet. My skin has never been clear since grade school, and became worse the past 2 years as well as chronic brain fog. My previously enjoyable intellect had become mired in what seemed an inescapable sludge of confusion. I had resigned myself to never achieve anything more relying on my mind which had previously been my life's ambition. I had tried all the stimulant and racetam nootropics with limited and temporary success. After my very first dose I was relieved of months of brain fog. So much that I could recite many of my lines for a small play which I'd previously been frustratingly incapable of.

[assessment]I notice the nootropic effect on the first dose of 10mL. Most studies confirm this. Immediate effects like mood enhancement diminish after 8 hours. Long term effects persist for weeks or months perhaps years.

I've run cerebrolysin 10mL for 5 days and again for 15 days straight. I'm just beginning a 20 dose cycle (10mL/day). Xeno-tissues (non-human) tissues deplete glutathione and stress the body resulting in a malaise or temporary depression. To avoid this side effect supplement with NAC or inject glutathione during off days. I've noticed injecting glutathione with cerebrolysin almost completely eliminates positive effects. This is why I recommend glutathione injections on off days. Inject glutathione intramuscularly very slowly to avoid terrible site pain.

I highly recommend b12 injections into a fatty area (slower release) every 3 days. You'll know when you need more b12 because you'll yawn as if you'd not been on b12. B12 pills are no comaparison including methylcobalamin sublinguals.

Placentrex should improve cerebrolysin's effects with additional neurotrophic factors. I'll update soon with a report on ideal administration of the two supplements. At this time my best results have been cerebrolysin alone and placentrex 12 hours apart.

In the near future I would like to add actovegin to see if it enhances cerebrolysin's effects.

[ordering] I order from superhumangear. Send money via westernunion and use regular shipping. I get needles and syringes locally. (You'll have to call around) Explain you need syringes for intramuscular use for a multi B vitamin injection and you need filter needles because your B multi comes in a glass vial. Pharmacists will be sympathic with you.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 12:28 AM

I dont know about placentrex but I dont think a filter is needed for CERE injections. Ive done around 40 of them and never got any serious pain from them, especially when using 25G needles. Deltoids are my favorite spot (I easily hit a nerve when injecting in quads, and glutes are less convenient to reach). I agree about GSH injections being VERY painful though, and I can only inject it in the glutes as the pain in thighs or delts will lead to seriously impaired mobility (i did my own solution though, using pure GSH powder, distilled water, and filtering this through a whatman filter. PH is the problem but cant use metallic buffers as they would oxidize the reduced GSH).
I also suffer from heavy cognitive impairment and weird perception disorders (actual brain injury), plus multiple peripheral neuropathies following massive doses of fluoroquinolones, and it has been very effective. Unfortunately I keep getting damaged again after the repairing has been done, as the the drugs are still in my system at significant doses (15 months after the last dose!), which baffles the docs ( I did HPLC of serum looking for FQ ). AFter i do some radical "detox" protocol (haemodialysis, plasmapheresis, adsorbents therapy, daily sauna, ANYTHING that can get the poisons out of my system) i will do an ultimate course of 2 months of 10mg CERE to hopefully fix things for good this time.
CERE is an absolutely amazing "drug" and it baffles me that it isnt used in more countries (it isnt authorized in France) as it can be so effective for so many different kind of brain-damage conditions (neurodegenerative disorders but also after concussions etc...) and has SO much research to back it up.

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#3 gatersaw

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:01 AM

You're probably correct regarding the glass from Cerebrolysin ampules.
The placentrex requires filters as the glass is much more brittle.
I get Glutathione through superhumangear for $14/600mg. I'm sure your price was much lower.
Can you talk more about your upcoming 2 month cycle? I'm reading here:

http://superhumangea...bic-metabolism/

That long cycles might require a "cycle down" pattern to avoid side effects.

#4 gatersaw

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:31 AM

Cerebrolysin seems to exaggerate the effects of other neurotransmitters and possibly neurogenic compounds. I began using placentrex for its neurogenic compounds to accelerate brain neuron growth. Unfortunately I speculate some of the placentrex contains significant doses of norepinephrine due to rapid heart rate after injection which lasts for a few hours. Combined with cerebrolysin yields an exaggeration and much longer term effect. For 7 days I've been dealing with enough anxiety to cause a panic attack. The symptoms seem to be gone now but I'm not willing to recombine these chemicals.
If anyone else is combining these products please weigh in.

#5 daouda

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 03:17 PM

About the longer-than-4weeks-cycles of CERE : there s been some discussion here in one of the CERE threads about the importance of not using CERE for too long. I think someone made a compelling case that long breaks between 4weeks max cycles arent needed (at least some one had been using CERE continuously for way longer than 4 months without any issue).
In this paper http://www.crter.org...k/1415-1420.pdf you ll see that in case #2 they have been using CERE continuously (5 days a week) for 5 months, with great effect. But the usual protocol is 5 days a week for 4 weeks, then a break, then repeat.

I didnt know about placentrex nor actovegin before you mentionned them. Thanks to you I made some research and am now quite excited to try them out for my conditions. I suffer from whole body tissue degenerations (tendon, cartilage, nervous system, skin, vascular system, eyes) thanks to fluoroquinolones and both compounds look like they could really help in their own ways. I also suffer from chronic pelvic pain syndrome (which i was given the FQ antibiotics for, i actually have prostatitis AND pudendal neuropathy), and I see than placentrex has been used successfully to treat CPPS in females...
Furthermore actovegin is an austrian compound and I could probably get it for a reasonable price from the same austrian pharmacy I order my CERE from (they ship internationally but require a prescription).
I alernatively order from either of these
http://www.internati...glish/index.htm
http://www.germania-apotheke.at/
At least they have no problem shipping to France when given a french prescription

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 11:10 PM

What effects does CBL have on you all?

#7 gatersaw

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 03:46 AM

Douda. Thank you very much for weighing in. I think my error was not taking the 2 days off in between 5 day cycles.
Have you tried eliminating gluten from your diet? I recently had to do this to improve my digestion which improved energy levels and focus.

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#8 gatersaw

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 01:17 AM

Turns out I had an undiagnosed food allergy which lowered my glutathione and CBL lowered it further. My anxiety was caused and maintained by soy and yeast ingestion. I'm seeking "Low Dose Allergen (LDA) therapy now to eliminate the yeast sensitivity and soy allergy.
Cerebrolysin is still an excellent product and I'll retry this whole combination when I've resolved the underlying issues.
For anyone on or considering CBL; it would be prudent to include NAC (n-acetyl cysteine) and reduced glutathione to avoid side effects. SwansonVitamins has both products very cheap (be sure to get a 10% off coupon).





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