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[manic_racetam]

Bought 1g of "Phenylpiracetam" from nootrabiolabs. They sent me corn-starch as far as I can tell. I saw people complaining about this in other areas of longecity but really didn't believe it could be possible.

Not water soluble, burns, smokes and turns to black ash when heated. Phenylpiracetam should melt and boil away with little or no residue.

Tasted a bit of the powder they sent me. Tasted like corn starch as far as I can tell but I'm not about to eat this stuff.

Why would a company do that? Doesn't make any sense to me. Did they order 5kg from some shady company in China and then just decide to sell it even though it was corn-starch?

Makes me never want to order bulk powders from China again.

Will never be shopping with nootrabiolabs either, glad I just got 1 gram instead of 10 grams for the unbelievable price of $69.99. If it's too good to be true I guess it still generally is. Wonder if all the sources of phenylpiracetam powder that have sprung up recently are the same.

[lifebuddy]

I have been hearing similar reports to over on reddit. Do any of the US sellers of phenyl have a genuine 3rd party coa?

[Isochroma]

I haven't found a trustable Phenylpiracetam supplier yet but if anyone does please reply or PM me.

[malden]

Sad to read this..

[Isochroma]

Then again, maybe one of the suppliers on the newly-posted Racetam Prices list is legit.

Please test them for me and report back by reply or PM.

Also, if anyone has a Phenylpiracetam supplier to add to the list then also PM me.

[motoRoto]

I've had the same experience with them, nootrabiolabs' phenylpiracetam tasted sweet and starchy and did nothing. Antaeus Labs sells phenylpiracetam as Demiurge and they are legit imo. Downside is that they are super pricey: $55 for 60X50mg pills.

Up till now, I've had nothing but great experiences with nootrabiolabs. They ship quickly and their prices are competitive so I am pretty disappointed to have been sold a fake product by them.

[Isochroma]

I received the most amazing email today from Season [TrustWe Group]: Finally a trustable supplier who takes PayPal - hover your mouse over the PP link on the Payment column to see her PayPal address on the actual page - has in stock and will shortly have in stock revolutionary Racetams with prices that are cheap enough for everyone to afford!

The newly-released Racetams are: Phenylpiracetam, Sunifiram, Unifiram and Coluracetam with prices that are revolutionarily affordable - with assurance of superfast delivery by fully-trackable EMS [Express Mail Service] and money-back guarantee by PayPal!

Phenylpiracetam is IN STOCK NOW FOR IMMEDIATE SHIPMENT.
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Sunifiram is IN STOCK NOW FOR IMMEDIATE SHIPMENT.
Unifiram will be in stock halfway through April 2013. [DARK PURPLE COLORED TEXT IN TABLES INDICATES FUTURE STOCK]

Here are the new additions to the Racetam Prices list, including the first seller for the entirely new category of Raceram: Unifiram.

Below is just an image of the new additions - this forum will not allow proper insertion of the entries without mangling them.
The actual text and links are on the page itself so please go there to find out more - click the table below for details:



Coluracetam is a highly active and very potent nootropic with doses of 10mg (typical) as found by forum members from ScienceGuy's test samples.

Sunifiram and Unifiram are extremely potent nootropics with doses of about 5mg per 150lbs.

The racetam titles at the top of each table are linked to their respective Wikipedia entries. Click to find out more about them

[Climactic]

I've had the same experience with them, nootrabiolabs' phenylpiracetam tasted sweet and starchy and did nothing. Antaeus Labs sells phenylpiracetam as Demiurge and they are legit imo. Downside is that they are super pricey: $55 for 60X50mg pills.

Up till now, I've had nothing but great experiences with nootrabiolabs. They ship quickly and their prices are competitive so I am pretty disappointed to have been sold a fake product by them.

I am never buying from Nootrabiolabs again after my placebo experience with their product and their refusal to offer a refund.

I have been trying LiftMode phenylpiracetam purchased off Amazon. It is bitter, as expected, and it seems like it works. At least it is not starch. As for how it compares to Demiurge or Phenotropil, this I cannot answer yet. The claimed purity is 99.3% per the April 2013 Chinese COA. Of course, LiftMode prices are going to be greater than what you can get from China. LiftMode ships fast and respond to Amazon messages. Below is the COA:

Edited by Climactic, 28 April 2013 - 08:49 PM.

[Sanguine_Rogue]

I've been taking Smart Drugs for Thought's Phenylpiracetam for a little over a week now (approaching two actually) and it seems to be very effective and potent stuff. It's capsuled in vegetarian capsules like all of their other products but the price is pretty good compared to others charging almost twice as much for the same quantity of phenylpiracetam.

[manic_racetam]

I've been taking Smart Drugs for Thought's Phenylpiracetam for a little over a week now (approaching two actually) and it seems to be very effective and potent stuff. It's capsuled in vegetarian capsules like all of their other products but the price is pretty good compared to others charging almost twice as much for the same quantity of phenylpiracetam.

From the pictures on their website (smart drugs for thought) it looks like the capsules are only partially filled? And it states there are no fillers in the capsules. This raises some concerns for me. I've never seen cGMP produced capsules without filler.

The only time I've seen capsules partially filled is when I make them myself and measure out the amounts of a supplement with a mg scale and dump it right into the capsule by hand.

Do you think these are home-made or something?

[Sanguine_Rogue]

I'm assuming that they fill their own capsules or something and instead of using some form of filler to make the capsule look full they went the direct route in showing how much Phenylpiracetam you were actually getting. Which considering that most of these other vendors use Magnesium Stearate to filler with, which has several industrial uses which honestly sketches me a bit out in regards to what long term ingestion it will cause.

I don't think I'm too worried about the partially filled capsules so long as it's proper weight which all of these capsules are, or a tad bit over (10mg at the most).

Are you more familiar with Magnesium Stearate, because I'm a bit curious about it anyways.

Edited by Sanguine_Rogue, 11 May 2013 - 05:26 PM.

[manic_racetam]

The magnesium stearate is just a lubricant that prevents capsule machines from clogging up as well as ensuring that ingredients are evenly distributed in all capsules. It's not in huge amounts at all, about 1-5% of the capsule content usually (from what I've read).

Honestly I'd be more concerned about sanitation. It's almost horrifying to think of someone sitting there measuring out powder and dumping it into a capsule they're holding with their hand, then bottling it up and selling it to me. I'm cool with doing that myself, for my own use, but when it's someone I can't see doing that under unknown conditions... well, I'm not ok with that personally.

Also, 10mg weight differences within capsules of 50mg is a huge variation (20%). The function of fillers in dietary supplements and pharmaceutical preparations is not to make the capsules "look full". They're thoroughly mixed to ensure that each capsule contains as close to the same amount of ingredient as possible. Check the label on your jarrow's formula L-tyrosine or any other capsule from a well-known manufacturer. They have quite a few fillers, and for good reason.

[Sanguine_Rogue]

Well the capsules are 100mg Phenylpiracetam, and most of them are spot on, it's maybe 2 or 3 capsules that I've measured that came over to about 108-110mg. And when I was shopping around for Noopept in capsules, one of the vendors specifically said that they use Magnesium stearate as a filler, and I have seen it labeled on some bottles to be more than just a lubricant or ingredient mixer. I understand why fillers are used, but in single component capsules (say a capsule that just has noopept or phenylpiracetam in it) I don't see a reason for mixing compared to simply measuring the capsules.

And I personally wouldn't want just anyone capsuling something for me either. I'm not sure how the vendors have it done, but I'm sure its either with machines or hopefully in some sort of facility.

And thanks for helping me out with magnesium stearate, I've been honestly staying away from any capsules that has it in them.

[Climactic]

Well the capsules are 100mg Phenylpiracetam, and most of them are spot on, it's maybe 2 or 3 capsules that I've measured that came over to about 108-110mg. And when I was shopping around for Noopept in capsules, one of the vendors specifically said that they use Magnesium stearate as a filler, and I have seen it labeled on some bottles to be more than just a lubricant or ingredient mixer. I understand why fillers are used, but in single component capsules (say a capsule that just has noopept or phenylpiracetam in it) I don't see a reason for mixing compared to simply measuring the capsules.

And I personally wouldn't want just anyone capsuling something for me either. I'm not sure how the vendors have it done, but I'm sure its either with machines or hopefully in some sort of facility.

And thanks for helping me out with magnesium stearate, I've been honestly staying away from any capsules that has it in them.

If you ever filled such capsules yourself, you would know why a filler is necessary. It is because the capsule halves have to be filled completely when bulk filling; the filler provides the bulk that the active ingredient doesn't.
And there is nothing wrong with a little magnesium stearate, though personally I prefer cellulose.

Edited by Climactic, 13 May 2013 - 07:04 PM.

[Sanguine_Rogue]

I have filled capsules myself, by hand and with smaller machines. I filled the bottoms and left the tops empty so that they would fit together easier with the machines. But thank you for helping me understand this all a bit better. I've taken several half filled or less (dmaa) and always noticed an effect. Is there something that filling the capsule does other than provide a "full" look?

[Climactic]

I have filled capsules myself, by hand and with smaller machines. I filled the bottoms and left the tops empty so that they would fit together easier with the machines. But thank you for helping me understand this all a bit better. I've taken several half filled or less (dmaa) and always noticed an effect. Is there something that filling the capsule does other than provide a "full" look?

Yes, of course. When bulk filling, filling the bottom half entirely easily ensures that all capsules have approximately the same amount of material and dose. If you only fill partially when filling many at a time, capsules can more easily end up with very varying doses. Some people even insist on fully tamping down each capsule with a tamper, to better ensure an even density.

[Sanguine_Rogue]

Yea I had a tamper with the machine I had gotten off of eBay. It did 200 capsules at a time, and was pretty handy however I found that with Aniracetam it wasn't really quite cutting it and caused the capsules to become bent up.

I'm guessing Smart Drugs for Thought is weighting out every capsule of Phenylpiracetam and doing it very delicately. All of the capsules I weighed were spot on, some had 5mg or so over the 100mg mark. I'm thinking of giving them a call and seeing how they do this, if it's by machine or if it is being handled by a single person individually capsuling each item.