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[dear mrclock]

http://www.nutraingr...say-researchers


check out the list of foods that are said to cause cancer. interestingly enough, same ones were said to prevent it once.

[niner]

Ioannidis is a bit of a crank. Look at the list of foods they looked at- it's hardly representative of a reasonable diet. They're trying to prove the point that weak statistical associations in nutritional research don't mean much. Duh. And if we looked up all the sources for their bogus meta-analysis, I wonder what the author's conclusions would be? In many cases, they probably acknowledge that they found a lot of statistical artifacts. Looking at the list of foods, a lot of them are probably legit. This paper, along with Ioannidis' previous gem implying that some huge fraction of papers are wrong, contains a grain of truth but is sensationalist, prone to misinterpretation, and doesn't add much to peoples' understanding of science.

[dear mrclock]

i believe it based on logic. the more you eat of anything (good or bad) your metabolism speeds up, hence aging and deterioration. also considering that anything consumable now is all hybrids and fakes, i dont doubt its going to be bad for you long run.

[Fred_CALICO]

"Live to eat or eat to live?".
I have always seen people 100 years of my family eat diversify but in small quantities.

Edited by sell58, 27 December 2012 - 04:45 PM.

[dear mrclock]

sell58, you are french ? so your family eats in small quanities but what about all those croissants with butter :P

[Fred_CALICO]

People live long in my family do not eat butter croissant every week. Maybe one or two growing every month.
Many farm butter was in their diet.
Grease and flour today can not be compared to those of yesterday.
Nutritional quality is absolutely longer identical.

[hippocampus]

English your very bad is. Lessons you need.

[dz93]

GMO's cause cancer. Organics don't.

[dear mrclock]

English your very bad is. Lessons you need.

relax buddy. learn other languages instead of dictating people to speak the one you have been taught

[hippocampus]

My native language is Slovene. French (and some other) nations are ignorant and don't want to learn foreign languages, because they're too proud of themselves. Try going to France and speak in English. And oh yeah, I speak 2 foreign languages (+1 badly).

anyway, ontopic: life causes death.

[niner]

GMO's cause cancer. Organics don't.

Do you have even a shred of evidence for this assertion? Why should we believe it?

[dear mrclock]

wasnt there a study on rats in france recently that showd GMO cause cancer ? same with growth hormone in cows. niner would you dispute hormones used on cattle do not cause any problems ?

[dz93]

GMO's cause cancer. Organics don't.

Do you have even a shred of evidence for this assertion? Why should we believe it?

http://www.motherjon...-corn-rat-tumor
http://www.forbes.co...cience-perhaps/
http://www.naturalne...gan_damage.html

Need more? They're the same study but its different, hopefully well known, websites reporting on it. Aside from that study alone there are countless other studies that also point out the fact that GMO's which aren't even sprayed with pesticides are still toxic. The pesticides just add to the cancer concoction.

It's concerning that you've been a moderator for so long on a website that supports health, cognition, and longevity yet have never heard of GMO's being toxic.

Edited by dz93, 29 December 2012 - 01:06 AM.

[dear mrclock]

dz93, if you are starving, wouldnt you eat GMO if present ?
its like this; you will die if you avoid what causes cancer, but you will live longer if you do consume cancer causers. weird eh

Edited by dear mrclock, 29 December 2012 - 01:06 AM.

[dz93]

Oh yeah I eat them almost everyday. You can't get away from them unless you shop from organic farmers market. That's the sad thing. Our food supply is being tainted with this stuff and corn and soy are in almost everything. Too bad they won't even allow labeling of products made with GE ingredients. Hell Monsanto was the biggest supporter of 'No' on Prop 37 in California. They know what this food does to you but it's all about profits to them. After all there's no money to be made in health, only in disease.

Communist China even labels products containing GM ingredients yet Monsanto spent big money to defeat prop 37 in America. Why? They would lose money because no one would buy those products. It's also been shown that products that say All Natural or Organic contain GMO's. The issue isn't that Monsanto is creating GMO's but that they spent big money to keep GMO's off the labels.

Now there's conflicts of interest in the FDA.
http://www.neighbors...s/archives/2422
http://www.naturalne...nsanto_fda.html

Yeah yeah yeah everything kills you and we're all going to die eventually but is that what the goal of this website is? Once we learn that there is a deadly toxin in the majority of our food it just becomes okay because we can't avoid it? Should we also avoid seeking longevity because we will all die eventually? Should we stop seeking to improve our cognition because the pesticides in our food and water supply cause brain damage? What about the birth defects and damage to our children? The BT toxin passes right on to the developing fetus. GMO's have been shown to poke holes in our guts and is a large reason why allergies are so common among children because they are more sensitive to anything and everything. This website wouldn't exist if people simply didn't care. Where will we be ten or twenty years from now if everyone just stopped caring?

Edited by dz93, 29 December 2012 - 01:35 AM.

[daouda]

. French (and some other) nations are ignorant and don't want to learn foreign languages, because they're too proud of themselves. (...)

WTF. I dont think I even need to comment on how ignorant and stupid that sentence is on so many levels. For your information, I speak 6 languages, how'd'you like that? I'm surprised you're displaying pride about speaking 3 languages as most people from former yougoslavia I've met routinely speak at least that many (of course this finds its explanation in history and geography).

[niner]

GMO's cause cancer. Organics don't.

Do you have even a shred of evidence for this assertion? Why should we believe it?

http://www.motherjon...-corn-rat-tumor
http://www.forbes.co...cience-perhaps/
http://www.naturalne...gan_damage.html

Need more? They're the same study but its different, hopefully well known, websites reporting on it. Aside from that study alone there are countless other studies that also point out the fact that GMO's which aren't even sprayed with pesticides are still toxic. The pesticides just add to the cancer concoction.

It's concerning that you've been a moderator for so long on a website that supports health, cognition, and longevity yet have never heard of GMO's being toxic.

It's not that I've never heard of it. I hear a lot of things, like fluoride is killing us, mercury fillings are killing us, yet when I look at the evidence, I'm not very impressed. The French mouse study that all these web sites are discussing is sufficiently flawed that even some environmental scientists are critical of it. The sample sizes are too small to deliver statistical significance, the animals they used were a cancer prone strain, and the dosing regimens were unnatural and probably not relevant to human consumption of GMOs. It looks like the authors were out to prove a point, which may have biased the study from the start. In biomedical research, when we see something like this, we first want to see if someone else can replicate it, preferably addressing the flaws in the study. If we still saw an effect then, scientists would start to believe it. At this point it's interesting, but that's about it.

[Mind]

It's concerning that you've been a moderator for so long on a website that supports health, cognition, and longevity yet have never heard of GMO's being toxic.

Just remember that the mission of LongeCity is unlimited lifespans. Achieving this goal will require doing many things that are "unnatural". Eating organic and living in a non-toxic "natural" environment is great and I do this as much as I can, but I know that these things will not stop the aging process or rejuvenate me.

Also, almost every vegetable we eat and most of the meat products are genetically modified. Even most of the "organic" produce. Humans have been selecting, changing, breeding, hybridizing, food products for centuries. We did this to make life more comfortable - to make the food supply more secure. Industrial agriculture (which includes the production of most of your typical organic produce) has freed people from the manual labor of food production (which is a challenging existance) to pursue other interests and work toward "progress".The process of "changing/enhancing the food" has now been sped up, which could introduce problems/safety issues, but it is not fundamentally different than what humans have been doing for centuries. So far, as niner mentioned, the broad evidence against "GMO" food is weak. The most significant arguments I have seen are against animal products - the antibiotic and hormone issues.

[dear mrclock]

so GMO aside which is still unproved in any good study to be bad for you, what about rHGH in milk ? i think there are enough studies now to prove its quite bad for your body, no ?

[dz93]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAL_AMdMXqY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eilDbdLAyFs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAMlir8oprw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-IJikX1144

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_ztZGbLEJ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njd0RugGjAg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40RWPeaPZpU

Lol yeah you're right there's no actual evidence that GMO's pose a threat to our health... But wait, if the rats fed a life time of gmo doesn't prove anything then lets disregard these pointless trials. They won't prove anything and they are doing absolutely no help to the community.
[url="http://www.longecity...lifespan-study/"]http://www.longecity...lifespan-study/
A study like this was even encouraged by longecity.. but why? If we can so easily discredit a study that shows the effects of rats fed a lifetime of GMO then what makes Monstanto's extremely short health studies more convincing?

It seems like everyone here is extremely quick to shoot down the idea that GMO's are bad for you. Maybe you don't want to accept the idea that GMO's could very well be bad for you but this information needs to get out so people who are suffering from cancer or want to seek improvement in their health can be aware of what GMO's may be doing to them and they can eliminate it and go strictly organic giving their body time to heal. I'm not saying this to fit in with some hippy tree hugging california trend if that's what you're thinking. I'm saying this because I don't want to see companies derived from corrupt criminals profiting millions off the ignorance of others. They've spent a lot of money trying to make GMO's look good. It's obviously worked very well.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that it is impossible to create a healthy GMO for human consumption but I don't believe we know enough about genetics to be pushing this stuff so fast into the consumers mouth especially from an already questionable company.

Edited by dz93, 31 December 2012 - 05:35 AM.

[sthira]

... I'm not saying this to fit in with some hippy tree hugging...california trend if that's what you're thinking....

Wait. I resemble that, haha..

[dear mrclock]

niner works for monsanto. his father was part of the team that produced the agent orange :o

[dz93]

Here's another article dated Jan 4, 2013
http://www.naturalne...n_Monsanto.html

This one states what every other one has been stating. That GMO's cause cancer, DNA damage, and neurological imbalances. So for those of you here seeking to improve cognition it won't happen when you consume food containing genes that produce the same chemicals in roundup and agent orange.

[nupi]

IIRC, the genes inserted do not produce roundup or agent orange but rather make the plant immune to those agents.

[dz93]

My bad. Though GM corn does produce the BT toxin. The BT toxin has been found to pass digestion into the blood stream through the placenta of pregnant women into the developing fetus.

http://www.dailymail...orn-babies.html

[dear mrclock]

btw did anyone read the reason for making this thread ? i posted an url in the first post and it wasnt discussing GMO but that all food causes cancer, not related to GMO food. yet people took it easy and just picked on GMO and bashed it.

[niner]

btw did anyone read the reason for making this thread ? i posted an url in the first post and it wasnt discussing GMO but that all food causes cancer, not related to GMO food. yet people took it easy and just picked on GMO and bashed it.

See my earlier post, but to make it a little more clear, the paper is sensationalist BS.

[nupi]

My bad. Though GM corn does produce the BT toxin. The BT toxin has been found to pass digestion into the blood stream through the placenta of pregnant women into the developing fetus.

http://www.dailymail...orn-babies.html

While I am not too fond of the idea of BT corn, I most certainly wont base my diet on DailyFail's opinions...

[mastercowboy]

My native language is Slovene. French (and some other) nations are ignorant and don't want to learn foreign languages, because they're too proud of themselves. Try going to France and speak in English. And oh yeah, I speak 2 foreign languages (+1 badly).

anyway, ontopic: life causes death.

Thumbs Up !!

[catrinac]

Yes, foods that contain polyunsaturated fats, which is in pretty much everything, are linked to cancer:
http://www.naturalne...atty_acids.html

Explains how some on "healthy diets" like Mediterannean and veganism get cancer.