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Does the Universe ending make any sense?


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#1 Amichai Řezník

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:05 PM


I just watched this lecture by Lawrence Krauss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cnj8MIQ0HY
He says that the universe wil leventually end because it wil expand forever and stars and galaxies will be torn apart. Also known as the big rip. Though it is famoous to note that Freeman Dyson does'nt agree with him because he does'nt think life has to be Quantum Mechanical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip
There are other theories for the end of the universe but this seems the most reliable one.
Now, am I the only one who can't grasp that the Universe will end? Just the sheer though that there won't be anything is beyond the capabilities of my brain. What do you think? Do you think the Universe will really end?

Edited by Amichai Řezník, 06 January 2013 - 09:06 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:07 PM

I don't think the universe, defined as "everything that is" or "all reality", will ever end.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:56 PM

Does it make sense that the universe began? I'm not going to lose any sleep over the fate of the universe, because I suspect that our current understanding of physics and cosmology will continue to evolve. Probably a lot.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:33 PM

One day I imagine all the fuel will 'run out' and the universe will be totally dark. It will have matter, but there wont be any light. Maybe just black holes, brown dwarfs and rocks.

What do you think the universe will look like in another 15 billion years? What will our corner of it look like anyway? (milky way).

I'm sure the time will come with millions of 'dead' galaxies' that the end would not come soon enough!!!

Edited by shifter, 06 January 2013 - 10:34 PM.


#5 Amichai Řezník

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:38 PM

I don't think the universe, defined as "everything that is" or "all reality", will ever end.

I know it seems impossible from a logical point of view but according to Lawrence Krauss, that will happen, or at least he makes the case that "intelligent life cannot last eternally", contra to "Dyson's eternal intelligence".

Does it make sense that the universe began? I'm not going to lose any sleep over the fate of the universe, because I suspect that our current understanding of physics and cosmology will continue to evolve. Probably a lot.

Amen to that. There are so many questions that need to be answered.

Edited by Amichai Řezník, 06 January 2013 - 10:40 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:54 AM

thanks for the upload - this was an interesting listen.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:55 PM

My point is similar to Niner's. If the universe is infinite then beginning and end don't make sense, or are irrelevant.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:06 PM

I think if we look at the number of zeros purported to remain in the universe's lifespan, we have to assume that there may be equally as many zeros behind us, because as Krauss says we are seeing the universe from a vantage point and may not be seeing the whole story. I'm at least content to wait until we have all that stuff that's smaller than particles figured out. If a universe could exist at all, it must be the case that it can recycle itself or it get's care packages from an unknown source. The only way to know the answer to this one seems to be living long enough to experience it. We'll just have drag all physicists kicking and screaming into eternal life so we can be assured a statistically accurate answer or explanations for all eons to come! j/k but people should have to stand behind their scientific claims and you can't stand behind them if you're dead :)

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 12:28 PM

I'm not an expert in cosmology, but from what I know, the "big rip" is based on the assumption that the cosmological constant in Einstein's equations is time dependant, and that's not a justified assumption. I didn't watch the video, but from other videos I've seen of Lawrence Krauss, he usually says that the final fate of the universe is entropic heat death, so I don't know if you took that to mean the big rip. 

 

Heat death is actually not really the death of the universe, but instead it's an inevitable state of the universe. There is a concept called "entropy", which basically is the number of ways that a thermodynamics system can be arranged. According to the second law of thermodynamics, entropy tends not to decrease (ie, the early universe had less ways in which it could be arranged than it has today). The consequence of this is that the universe, when treated as a big thermodynamic system, tends towards maximum entropy. But the second law of thermodynamics is a statistical law, so entropy can decrease at certain times. So interestingly, given an infinite amount of time, due to those thermal fluctuations, every possible state of the matter in the universe will be realized an infinite number of times. 

 

I've thought about it and I can't even comprehend the universe having an end, it just doesn't make sense to me. But the thing to remember is that experimental observations are the final judge, so just because it doesn't make sense to us doesn't mean it's wrong. There are plenty of things in physics that are experimentally confirmed which don't make sense to us, since we've only evolved to make sense of things in a limited range of parameters (moderate sizes, low speeds, moderate gravity, etc.).






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