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#1 ozone

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:44 AM


http://www.smart-dru...xcitotoxins.htm

Read all of it. Just by looking at the website, it initially appears that this is just another copy-paste with nothing useful in it. But I gave the article a read and all I can say is WOW. If you've ever wanted to really examine the fundamentals of life extention and neural enhancement, this article in my view is IT.

From reading it I've also re-considered two things:

1. Dropping excess calcium (e.g., HMB supplementation)

Normal levels of calcium inside the neuron allow normal functioning, but when excessive calcium builds up inside neurons, this activates a series of enzymes, including phopholipases, proteases, nitric oxide synthases and endonucleases.(1,3)  Excessive intraneuronal calcium can also make it impossible for the neuron to return to its resting state, and instead cause the neuron to "fire" uncontrollably. (1,3)  Phospholipase A2 breaks down a portion of the cell membrane and releases arachidonic acid, a fatty acid.  Other enzymes then convert arachidonic acid into inflammatory prostaglandins, thromboxanes and leukotrienes, which then damage the cell. (1,3)  Phospholipase A2 also promotes the generation of platelet activating factor, which also increases cell calcium influx by stimulating release of more glutamate. (3)  And whenever arachidonic acid is converted to prostaglandins, thromboxanes, and leukotrienes, free radicals, including superoxide, peroxide and hydroxyl, are automatically generated as part of the reaction  (1-3, 16).  Excessive calcium also activates various proteases (protein-digesting enzymes) which can digest various cell proteins, including tubulin, microtubule-proteins, spectrin, and others. (1,3) calcium can also activate nuclear enzymes (endonucleases) that result in chromatin condensation, DNA fragmentation and nuclear breakdown, i.e. apoptosis, or "cell suicide". (3)  Excessive calcium also activates nitric oxide synthase which produces nitric oxide. When this nitric oxide reacts with the superoxide radical produced during inflammatory prostaglandin/leukotriene formation, the supertoxic peroxynitrite radical is formed (3,17).  Peroxynitrite oxidizes membrane fats, inhibits mitochondrial ATP-producing enzymes, and triggers apoptosis (17). And these are just some of the ways  glutamate -NMDA stimulated intracellular calcium excess can damage or kill neurons!


2. Dropping glutamine supplementation entirely!

An enzyme called "glutamate dehydrogenase" also helps neurons dispose of excess glutamate by converting glutamate to alpha-ketoglutarate, a Krebs' cycle fuel. Glutamate dehydrogenase is activated by NADH, so taking the NADH recommended in the energy and antioxidant programs will also promote breakdown of glutamate excess. Excessive levels of free radicals has been shown to inhibit glutamate uptake by astrocytes, the major route for terminating glutamate receptor activation (29), so following the antioxidant program will also aid in clearing excess synaptic glutamate.  In order to maximize clearance of synaptic glutamate, it will also be necessary to avoid use of the nutritional supplement glutamine.  The health food industry has promoted glutamine use for decades, often in multi-gram quantities.  A 1994 book touts glutamine "to strengthen the immune system, improve muscle mass, and heal the digestive tract" (43).  It is true that many studies do show benefits form short-term, often high dose, glutamine use.  It must be remembered, however, that glutamine easily passes the blood-brain barrier and enters the astrocytes and neurons, where it can be converted to glutamate.  And the excitotoxic damage from excess glutamate may take a lifetime to develop to the point of expressing itself as a stroke, Alzheimer’s or Parkinson's disease, etc.  But high dose glutamine can cause excitotoxic problems even in the short term.  At last year's Monte Carlo Anti-Aging Conference, I met a man who routinely consumed 20 grams of glutamine daily.  He suffered extremely severe insomnia, nervousness, anxiety, racing mind, and other symptoms of excessive glutamate neurotransmission. glutamine supplementation should probably not exceed 1-2 grams daily, if it is used at all.


I never even knew that about glutamine. I guess it's like an anti-oxidant in that we all need a certain amount, but too much can be bad for you (in the case of anti-oxidants they have a pro-oxidative effect if you take too much or don't use a full regime of them) but the downside to glutamine it appears is that there is no way to counter the effects of taking above 1g in "extra" supplementation.


Finally, what do you all think of this place? Apparantly it's a store too and they sell QUITE a bit.
http://www.antiaging...m/a2z/home1.htm
They appear to be legit and they have quite a bit of stuff.

Edited by ozone, 22 April 2005 - 09:19 AM.


#2 wannafulfill

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 03:25 PM

IAS is a good store, lot of life extentioners use them.

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#3 johnmk

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:47 PM

If you're concerned about the above then you would also want to make sure you get a sufficient amount of magnesium. I'm not sure which salt of magnesium is best absorbed, I personally take magnesium citrate daily, and get (daily) minor amounts of oxide, aspartate, and another beginning with 'm' that I get with my ZMA supplement. It has no stool softening effect so I am assuming absorption must be good, but I might as well be wrong on that.

#4 adolfo

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 07:11 PM

From IAS (http://www.antiaging....htm#Aniracetam):

Q. Lately, I've been hearing about aniracetam as an alternative to piracetam. Has anybody tried aniracetam and found it better? How?

    A. There are 3 commercially available analogues to Piracetam. They are Aniracetam, Oxiracetam and Pramiracetam. The most "different" chemically speaking is pramiracetam and the "least" is Oxiracetam.

    Aniracetam and Pramiracetam are more fat than water soluble (compared to Piracetam and Oxiracetam) and as a result the half-life of the drug is longer. In other words the effects last longer. The differences between all the analogues are more subjective and individual and therefore there is no set "this will do that and that will do this etc."

    All the analogues of Piracetam are more potent than it (when compared mg to mg). For example one study suggested that the optimal maximum dose of Piracetam was 100mg per Kg body weight (that's 2.2 Lbs.), but Pramiracetam was found to be as effective at 15mg per Kg body weight (a difference of more than 6x).

    There is also evidence that Aniracetam displays the most stimulatory affect upon brain AMPA receptors and that the piracetam analogues may exert more brain hemispheric intercommunication across the corpus callosum (thereby improving ying and yang).

    That's the good news, the bad news is that all the analogues are considerably more expensive than Piracetam! The analogues of Piracetam are also not made on a regular basis, and from time to time become temporarily unavailable.

    On a personal note I prefer aniracetam and it is also the nootropic drug of choice in Japan. Attention and vigilance are improved over piracetam and as I say the effects last longer after taking the pills.

    However, as is so true of much of mental enhancement and indeed anti-aging medicine some careful individual experimentation is probably required to determine which one is best for you.

    Phil Micans PharmB


Is this information outdated, badly put or simply wrong? Aniracetam fat solubility giving it a longer half-life than piracetam? Or it being the preferred nootropic in Japan? Oh, and 2.2 lbs of piracetam!

#5 Chip

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 08:52 PM

From what I was told by LifeMirage, the quote you give is accurate except I can't vouch for the Japanese preference at all. They just mentioned 2.2 lbs as an equivalence factor as there are 2.2 lbs in a kilogram so if you weigh 220 lbs that would suggest using 10 grams of piracetam per day. Sounds kind of steep to me. From what was recommended in the book "Brain Candy" I have myself on about 2 grams a day.

#6 enemy

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 09:30 PM

At 10g a day without any acetylcholine support, you should be prepared to invest in aspirin or motrin for the resultant cluster headaches.

#7 brooklynjuice

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 05:35 AM

Cluster headaches is a bit extrme.

And I have actually used 10,000 piracetam for extended periods of time, just for trial n error purposes and knowing its proven safety, but I did supply plenty of choline.

I also suffer from cluster headaches from massive head tramua a couple of years ago. The headaches are worse then the actual head tramua which included multiple skull fractures.

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#8 jpars82

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Posted 30 April 2005 - 12:14 AM

I've read somewhere before that the Japanese have a preference for Aniracetam. If you browse Pubmed, you notice in Japan that more studies of Aniracetam have been done than with any of the other racetams.




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