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#31 xEva

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:42 AM

Wellbutrin is not an SSRI (the best description I can up with for it is that it is a weakly dopaminergic NRI). Next.


Yes, but the problem is the same. And this thread is not solving the problem.

If you guys really wanted these drugs continue do people good while minimizing their side effects, you would find the information about the timeline when to expect those nasty side effects and post it here in this thread, so that people considering taking these drugs be well informed. But instead you just bitch.

#32 Ann Blake-Tracy

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:29 PM

Re: SSRIs being stimulants - all nonprescription drugs that boost serotonin are stimulants that induce artificial feelings of well being. If you know pretty basic pharmacology, you can easily predict the effects of a drug if you know which neurotransmitter it acts on and whether it suppresses or raises the levels of the chemical. Regardless of whether or not prescription SSRIs induce any sort of pronounced high, the fact remains that all drugs that elevate serotonin in the brain are stimulants. The comparatively subtle effects of prescription antidepressants doesn't change that they're working via the same mechanism as many recreational stimulants.

Look at wellbutrin for example - although it works on dopamine, it has the same basic effect profile as the other antidepressants. But it's a derivative of amphetamine.

You should also apply some critical thinking and examine situations where SSRIs are prescribed. If someone's suffering from the death of a loved one or PTSD from war, the drugs will still suppress the person's depressive symptoms. Of course you could just say that traumatic events induce the neurochemical changes that are associated with depression - but if these changes can be induced by external events in your life, we aren't really talking about a "disease" per se, are we? All you've done is pathologize the mechanism through which the brain chemically expresses deep unhappiness. If that's your definition of a "disease", the term is essentially meaningless. Saying that low levels of serotonin is the cause of depression is like saying that leg muscles are the cause of running.

SSRIs have a classic stimulant side effect profile - including the telltale mania, agitation, etc. The original prozac clinical trials glossed over this fact by coining the term "activation" and claiming that anyone who suffered from mania was already afflicted with an underlying "manic depressive illness" that was brought out by the medication.

My own experience with prescription SSRIs perfectly illustrates this. I'd never been manic or depressed in my entire life when I went on Paxil for social anxiety. Within a few months I was only sleeping a couple hours a night and I was jumping out of my skin and pacing involuntarily(akathisia). Then when I stopped the drug, I experienced severe listlessness and crippling rebound depression. Of course the psychiatrist just told me that the drug had brought out my manic depression and also claimed that the severe rebound depression was the result of my depressive illness worsening, despite the fact that I hadn't even taken the drug for depression in the first place.


You are exactly correct! The drug companies even let us know these drugs are stimulants by calling them ANTI-depressants. If they are the opposite of a depressant....they are? That is right, stimulants. In fact they often test out in the blood as amphetamine causing many to fail drug tests after being prescribed these meds.

I should also add for the person above who made fun of the pharmacist's statement about Hitler that Hitler was on amphetamines.

Now allow me to reply to this initial post by stating that what you are commenting on is a copy of the introduction to my book Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? - Our Serotonin Nightmare. Those of you looking for citations will find 21 pages of references to citations in the back of the book that has about 450 pages of information to back up everything in the introduction. Sorry about the confusion.

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#33 Ann Blake-Tracy

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:34 PM

The excerpt that you posted has a lot of broad speculative, controversial claims but not much science.

valory5, you're a smart person capable of critical thinking, what do you think about this? Can you dig up some studies for us? Otherwise this is just pollution.


The paper is only the introduction to my 450 pg book Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? - Our Serotonin Nightmare. The studies you are looking for are in the back of the book as references - 21 pgs worth of citations.

#34 Ann Blake-Tracy

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:04 PM

Old timers here at Imminst/LongeCity might remember Adam Kamil, although it was never mentioned publicly, the implication was that he committed suicide.


Did it ever come out what it was Adam died of?

Suicide would be a strong possibility if he was taking the drugs Seroquel, Lithium and several ADHD and antidepressant drugs.

Sudden death is a strong possibility as well. He could also have died the same way Anna Nicole Smith's son Daniel died suddenly sitting in his mom's hospital room from Serotonin Syndrome. You cannot take several drugs that increase serotonin levels without taking the chance of Serotonin Syndrome which can be fatal via multiple organ failure. room. People need to know more about serotonin than what drug reps are peddling!!! Such a sad case, as are they all, but I have long said that the largest single group I have dying on antidepressants or going to prison for horrific violent crimes are doctors or nurses or their family members who believe so strongly in the medical model. With both of his parents being doctors he did not have much of a chance.

The combo of Seroquel and antidepressants mixed with benzos is causing young military men to die in their sleep so it could easily have done it to Adam.

Or, since he was a former drug user, he could have returned to drugs and overdosed because antidepressants cause cravings for alcohol and other drugs along with sugar and caffiene and aspartame.

Be assured he would still be here if it were not for these deadly drugs we call antidepressants. I have seen too many deaths!

It is long overdue that the world wake up to the fact that 90% of medical research is bogus due to influence by the industry....and that does not come from me, but from the world's leading expert on medical research out of Greece, Dr. John Ioannidis. Check it out on our International Coalition for Drug Awareness blog on our website from last November (Google it) or it was in the Novemeber 2010 issue of Atlantic Monthly. Well worth the read!

#35 nupi

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 12:42 PM

In fact they often test out in the blood as amphetamine causing many to fail drug tests after being prescribed these meds.


Citation please (no, I won't go buy the book for that). The chemistry is wildly different so I have a hard time believing this (with the exception of Seleginine which indeed does metabolize into L-Amp).

As for SSRI's being stimulants: please explain me why I sleep 15 hours a day when on Escitalopram (the purest SSRI there is) if it indeed was a stimulant?

I should also add for the person above who made fun of the pharmacist's statement about Hitler that Hitler was on amphetamines.



First: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Second: Hitler probably also took Aspirin, was mostly vegetarian, and, gasp, drank water.

Third: Millions of US school children are on straight up D-Amp. So far, none of them seems to have started to behave like Hitler.

Edited by nupi, 07 August 2013 - 12:50 PM.


#36 Saladface

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 07:14 PM

Well, its true that most people do think SSRI's 'fix an imbalance'. Of course, the vast majority of people here wont believe that depression is a 'serotonin deficiency' but that is because this population is self selecting (generally inquisitive intelligent folks who do their own research), the average person will happily swallow the thing they hear the most.

Re SSRI's actually being stimulants. In my experience (was on them for over 10 years) no, definitely no. It is ofc conceivable that this might be the case for some people, but SSRI's seem to have the opposite effect (apathy, tiredness, contentedness). My experience is that any positive effect from them is because of their 'give less of a shit' action.

Re the original post, unless Hitler just sat about not being bothered to do anything, I don't think SSRI's would be creating new Hitlers.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 12:29 PM

Re SSRI's actually being stimulants. In my experience (was on them for over 10 years) no, definitely no. It is ofc conceivable that this might be the case for some people, but SSRI's seem to have the opposite effect (apathy, tiredness, contentedness). My experience is that any positive effect from them is because of their 'give less of a shit' action.


Absolutely. They are god send in times of high stress for me.

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#38 mrd1

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 02:25 AM

WTF did I just read... If anything is causing brain damage it is this thread!

1. Correlation does not equal causation- it is plausible to believe the type of person who would shoot up a school is more likely to be exposed to psych meds.
2. The FDA committee achieved a consensus that sertraline was safe and effective for the treatment of major depression.
3. There are different subsets of receptors in the brain. Any talk of a chemical imbalance of serotonin regardless if it is for or against it probably is lacking in modern science and rather something from the New York Times or someones concerned mother.(Sorry mom love you! ;) )
4. The brain is much more complex than mere stimulant or depressant a neurotransmitter can be both inhibitor or excitetitory depending on where in the brain.
5. Activation of one neuron causes a projection to other parts of the brain and therefore the activation of other parts of the brain and other chemical and hormonal changes.
6. just knowing what chemical it effects is way to vague to tell you much of anything cause the neurotransmitter can have very different functions depending on the subtype
7. Your brain talks in action potentials and chemical signaling everything "natural" ex a hot girl topless gets picked up by the senses and undergoes a process of transduction so your brain can understand it.
8. One proposed mechanism of how theses drugs work is by 5-ht2c downregulation as a result of agonizing the receptor site. This has been shown to be over expressed in the autopsied brains of many people who have committed suicide.
9. Another proposed mechanism is by stimulating neurogenesis helping the brain create new nerve cells. Providing neuroprotection and helping the formation of new pathways.
10. Also, increasing levels of BDNF which is quite popular here e.x. noopept lions mane just to name a few.
11. By providing a anti-inflammatory effect. Now we are starting to see that in causes of depression some people may be experiancing a proinflammitory effect in the brain.
12. Yet more evidence for SSRIS is perhaps by decreasing the over expression of 5-ht2a receptors in the brain. Some evidence suggests in deceased depressed patients they had a higher expression of this receptor than a normal person.
13. Even in the evident two drugs share a receptor subtype binding that does not mean they will do the same thing. For example lsd ginko seroquel tramadol and dmt all bind to the 5-ht1a receptor subtype but have very different effects. This is really complex but the next point shows one reason how this can be possible.
14. Depending on drugs binding affinity they can have very different effects a example would be coke being euphoric while wellbutrin not being so even though they both are dopamine transporter inhibitors due to the difference it binding resulting in a ~20% (i dont recall off the top of my head) vs the what is believe to be about 65% or greater to achieve prominent recreational effects.
15. Analysis of national mortality files shows 458 deaths occur each year from acetaminophen-associated overdoses; 100 of these are unintentional in the USA (pubmed) vs New figures from the Office for National Statistics show there were 17.6 deaths among users for every million prescriptions written for Efexor and similar types of anti-depressant between 1993 and 2002. This compares with a rate of 4.3 deaths per million prescriptions for anti-depressants such as Prozac. Lets keep things in perspective rather than paying more attention to the deaths burned deeply into our brain via hitting our amygdala causing vivid recall and representation in our brain and being overly represented in the media due to it being more interesting and graphic and can easily open up into mind control Orwellian religion and philosophy based pseudoscientific endless rants.




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