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The reason why no drug alone can permanently increase intelligence/brain power(But how to do it)

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#1 Absent

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:33 AM


First, I start this with a quote:

Over the centuries, people have placed a wall around such mastery. They have called it genius, and have thought of it as inaccessible. They have seen it as the product of privilege, inborn talent, or just the right alignment of the stars. The have made it seem as if it were as illusive as magic, but that wall is imaginary. This, is the real secret: The brain that we posses is the work of 6 million years of development, and more than anything else, this evolution of the brain is designed to lead us to mastery, the latent power within us all." ~ Robert Green, from his book "Mastery"

VERY GOOD BOOK. Read it especially if you're interested in mastering any sort of skill


Many people are always looking for some way to permanently increase their intelligence. Not even LTP from various substances is permanent. Once off the substance, your brain chemical levels will revert to their normal levels and your brain will function at it's usual efficiency.

Some people might think that all geniuses or super-intelligent people are simply that way because of genetics, or luck. While this is true for a VERY small percentage of cases, it is not the case for them all.

What makes a person intelligent/genius is how their thought patterns/neuronal structures are arranged, and how areas of their brain communicate. THIS IS CHANGEABLE IN ALL PEOPLE. Clearly easier to influence at younger ages because the brain is producing more development juice, but with(or without) the aid of supplements, it can be rewired at any age... Most people don't really think about the structure of their thought processes and patterns. Or when they do they think very broadly about it, as in "I can't figure this out" bla bla bla.

If you were to take cognitively enhancing supplements/nootropics, and just practiced any random ol mental skill, no matter how much you practice it, the nootropic will not make you more efficient at it. The nootropic can however speed up the rate at which you learn, and/or increase the complexity of newly formed patterns. But ultimately what it comes down to, if the "root neuronal system" of that mental skill isn't complex in function, then all of the following steps into that, no matter how complexly structured, won't make you a genius at the skill.

Here's an example. There are memory tournaments around the world, where people will go to compete to see who has the best memory. 99% of them will tell you they are not special, and they are not savants. They did not simply try to remember over and over again making their memory super developed. What they did, was RELEARN a new method of remembering. They don't recall how a normal person would. They have a structured method to doing it. That structured method is the "root" at which they build the rest of their recall. They are not super powered in any way, they have just trained their neuronal structure for recall to function in a very specific way using various tricks to remember.

Some people might think Einstein was some Genius that nobody can compete with. That he was simply genetically gifted at math or visualization. This, again, was not the case. Einstein was a normal person in his youth. The only difference between him, and you, and is that he had this interest in science at a young age. When working at the patent office he mentally practiced doing thought experiments with visualization, and visualizing math at work. He was not gifted at math better than you or I, he simply had a different manner of solving mathematical problems by using a different brain structure.This method of his for solving was highly complex in it's execution, but he built on this, over time he became very good at it.

The brain folks, is like a very powerful computer. If you are running very simple software in it, then you're not going to get anything extravagant out of it. Overclocking that computer with drugs, supplements, and nootropics, will not increase the functioning of that software, this is simple fact. Instead, designing that software to operate in a more complex manner, will allow it to utilize more of the computer at once. Just as a simple piece of software may use 1/16th of the amount of RAM that a complex piece of software uses.

If you want to increase your intelligence, or your mental skills, nootropics will only take you so far. You need to focus on your software. Focus on the thought patterns of whatever it is you're trying to do. Practice tricks to tweak your mental exercises to make them more efficient try to incorporate different parts of your brain into the mix. THERE IS NO FORUMLA FOR THIS The brain has limitless resources so the sheer amount of mental skills that can be developed, or the complexity in functioning of thought-patterns is literally LIMITLESS.


When it comes to new thought patterns, it's like learning any skill. It may be challenging at first, but with enough practice(over a couple weeks), it can be second nature. You might wonder, how can you improve your memory if it just happens spontaneously. The only reason you experience it as happening spontaneously is because you have been doing that certain method your entire life. You can develop a new method of remembering and practice it so it is as easy to do as your current method of remembering, yet only more efficient.


This can be done with anything, and trust me when I say.... YOUR IMAGINATION IS YOUR ONLY LIMIT. Your imagination is the foundation of your mind. If you can imagine some sort of mental-task, your brain can do it, and then it's only a matter of exercising it into reality as a task you can perform in seconds. You are the programmer for your mind.


A TIP: The visual center of the brain is one of the largest and most powerful sections. Therefor it is going to be easiest and most efficient to utilize it in your mental task, over most any other part of the brain. Einstein managed to incorporate his visual center into his math through lots of practice and visualizing various problems when he was working at the patent office in switzerland. He would sit there all day and visualize the various devices he would see, imagining how they would function in his mind. He also did this with physics-thought experiments. He likely wasn't easy or effective at first.... but with PERSISTENCE, he managed to make it so effective that he could visualize devices working as if they were going in front of his eyes. Many other innovators used this trick, including Temple Grandin(albiet she had the autistic advantage), Leonardo Da Vinci(who was no different from you nor I, despite popular belief, he just used different thinking patterns), and Nikola Tesla, to name a few.


Remember... you are the controller, the programmer. You can tell your mind to function in any manner whatsoever. The possibilities are endless. Nootropics can obviously help speed up the rate at which you can learn and develop these new skills..... though without actively trying to change your thought patterns.... no nootropic will permanently increase your intelligence.


I had some really good websites that talked about different tricks you use to reprogram your mind to become more creative, have a better memory, etc... but I lost the links xD.... If I find them, I will post them and update this topic... so be on the look up.

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Here is one of the sites that talks about various mental tricks you can do to think more creatively, more hilarious, and many other things, etc. It's linked to a particular article having to do with mathematics. There are many other sub-sections in the drop-down menus at the top.
http://enchantedmind...tics_part1.html

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#2 BDon

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

Thank you for posting. I am interested in hearing more from you.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

So nobody is better than anyone else in anything, but it's all just dedication, positive thinking and practice?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:31 PM

bullshit people arent equally intelligent who are you working for reveal yourself
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:33 PM

Ever heard of the 10,000 rule?

The idea is that, yes, intelligence matters. But only to a degree. Once you pass the threshold (120 IQ), then it's your application... defined as 10,000 hours of practice.. that really matters.
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#6 Absent

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:33 PM

There is no doubt that intelligence as a genetic factor CAN play a big role. Large amounts of neurotransmitters allowing for super powerful brain functioning can easily be an aid at the start.

Though, the genetic factors of a persons brain of how much of different chemicals their brain produces does NOT completely dictate what will interest them in life, it only can influence it. There are plenty of people who are incredibly creative thinkers, always full of energy, never depressed, good at figuring things out, yet many of them are also in jail, and low-life criminals. The power of a persons brain does not determine the person they will become, nor does it determine how intelligent they will be, or what their interest will be.

Hormones and Neurotransmitter levels only determine how efficient a persons brain can be, or how quick they will learn. It does not necessarily determine what brain-activities they will practice in their youth as they are forming as an infant or throughout child hood. This is where Nature vs Nurture comes in.

Though the great thing is when a person gets old enough for conscious thought and can decide and control what brain activities they do, their only limiting factor for speed of developing(besides imagination in coming up with ways of how to develop), is the neurotransmitter, hormone, and other chemical levels. THIS IS WHERE NOOTRPICS and SUPPLEMENTS come in. We live in a wonderful age where we can counter-balance any sort of shortage of a chemical in our bodies and brains.

Things like depression, and low IQ, is more a result of poor thought-pattern development in the various mental facilities a person utilizes. That is why you can see some people taking a crap load of nootropics and being amazing efficient at doing whatever it is they're doing, but not actually increasing in intelligence. The nootropics are just more like an increased power source of brain activity for the person, more fuel so to speak.

Ever heard of the 10,000 rule?

The idea is that, yes, intelligence matters. But only to a degree. Once you pass the threshold (120 IQ), then it's your application... defined as 10,000 hours of practice.. that really matters.

The 10,000 rule is a generalization, in all honesty. Some skills can never be mastered, only be continually gotten good at. While 10,000 hours is a large amount of time to become incredibly good and efficient at most any skill, I wouldn't trust it as some sort of golden rule that applies to everything. A lot of it depends on how quickly a person can learn and brain chemical levels.

So nobody is better than anyone else in anything, but it's all just dedication, positive thinking and practice?


Wrong. Certain people have slight genetic advantages, but the point I'm getting at is that these advantages don't matter near as much as people might think(with the exception of autistic savant like cases). The though only thing special about autistic savants is that some imbalance in their brain has lead them to be more likely to pay attention to some particular skill or interest as their brain was forming, and they became overly focused on it. In theory any average child could develop the intellect of an autistic savant if they were somehow able to focus with incredible power on one specific interest as a very young child.

Dedication plays a huge role in the development of any skill. Positive thinking is an arbitrary term, unless you pair it with dedication. Here in this topic I am talking using different techniques to practice skills.

Maybe instead of just "figuring" out math, you use some form of visualization to understand it easier, this can lead to you solving faster, as you are not simply relying on the brains ability to "figure" it out. One example is those kids who train to be speed-math champions. Using the little bead racks to calculate extremely high numbers. Some of them get so good at it that they don't even need the rack. They purely visualize it in their head and as a result can calculate numbers in the billions of billions that some people can't even do on paper. Even if someone spent years and years practicing solving those sorts of problems with pencil and paper alone, relying on "intuition" to help him figure it out, he would still never be as fast as those math-speed champions, simply because their method is a superior one.

Or maybe you're playing baseball. Instead of just relying on hitting the ball as it comes towards you, you instead utilize certain mental tricks to help you mentally locate the bell easier. Pro-Baseball players develop these skills automatically with time, but trying to develop them at a very early age can give a person a huge advantage sooner than any other person.

bullshit people arent equally intelligent who are you working for reveal yourself

Read the topic. Intelligence isn't just a product of whose brain produces more chemicals.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:42 PM

You guys should also keep in mind that intelligence is an arbitrary term. Even today it's still hard to accurately define it. Truth is when intelligence is calculated, all they are do is testing various mental facilities of yours, and how they may work together. Some people are naturally complex thinkers. Though, if a person knew of these mental facilities, and practiced speed-thinking techniques for figuring out these IQ test problems, then any average joe could ideally train himself to score well into the 200's on an IQ test.

The reason people think of such IQ's as exclusive and unobtainable by anything besides genetics, is because most people do not actively think about restructuring their brain and their thought processes with simple practices and intention. I assure you it is entirely possible.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:39 PM

The secret is to stick with it, make it a habit. It takes some effort at first but soon it becomes automatic.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

The reason people think of such IQ's as exclusive and unobtainable by anything besides genetics, is because most people do not actively think about restructuring their brain and their thought processes with simple practices and intention. I assure you it is entirely possible.

Got a reference for that statement? BTW why is IQ so strongly hereditary then? There are some seriously dense and smart people out there and claiming that this is something that they can choose does not rhyme with reality.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:52 PM

I don't know if IQ is actually that strongly hereditary, but rather being raised by the intelligent.

"Give me a dozen healthy infants, well-formed, and my own special world to bring them up in, and I'll guarantee to take any one at random and train him to become any type of specialist I might select-doctor, lawyer, artist, merchant-chief, and yes, beggerman and thief. (Watson, 1913)"
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

I don't know if IQ is actually that strongly hereditary, but rather being raised by the intelligent.

"Give me a dozen healthy infants, well-formed, and my own special world to bring them up in, and I'll guarantee to take any one at random and train him to become any type of specialist I might select-doctor, lawyer, artist, merchant-chief, and yes, beggerman and thief. (Watson, 1913)"


There are lots of doctors, lawyers, etc that are idiots. I don't think you could take some kid who was a dope and make him the next Einstein. I think the nature/nurture question as it relates to IQ has been looked at in great detail, should someone want to dredge it up. There's a lot of nature involved, as I recall.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:28 PM

The reason people think of such IQ's as exclusive and unobtainable by anything besides genetics, is because most people do not actively think about restructuring their brain and their thought processes with simple practices and intention. I assure you it is entirely possible.

Got a reference for that statement? BTW why is IQ so strongly hereditary then? There are some seriously dense and smart people out there and claiming that this is something that they can choose does not rhyme with reality.

Does not rhyme with reality, ah yes, you are correct. But let me point out why. This theory is my own, born out of my own experience, practice and research. This is new ground.

The reason it does not align with past reality and past cases because the idea of taking control of the thought processes and structuring them to ones desires with knowledge of the brain is a VERY new concept. I mean, it has always been around persay. Many highly successful people including many of histories geniuses have confirmed it. It doesn't rhyme with reality because up to this point, maybe only 0.01% of the people who ever lived have tried to manipulate such a process, and that number is just a shot in the dark.

I am coming here with this information that I have come to understand through much research, but most important through my own practice, and experience. I have successfully employed it in my life with great success, by practicing the words and teachings of so many successful people and neuroscientific along with psychological theory.

This is a new field boys. I actively encourage skeptics, skeptics who chose to practice it. Science would not be anywhere if there were not people actively trying to prove theories wrong.

Though, beside that point, there's nothing really to prove anymore. This has already been proven by a number of people. Every single succesful person in the world, whether it by speed-math champions, pro-sports players, or memory champions, they all use a variation of this theory to have attained

To answer your question, if I haven't. The reason IQ seems to be so strongly hereditary is simple. Our civilization and society is not at the peak of development. Science still only knows very little about the nature of intelligence or shaping the mind/thought processes as it relates to genetics. The 99.9% of people living in a society, going to school, getting degrees, have been put through the same program as everyone else, making the only difference between them all genetics.

You see all these great history geniuses, or very successful people who dropped out of school, or went off and decided to do things their own way and COMMITTED TO BECOMING SO AND SO.... these are the people who have understood that IQ is not set in stone, that it is modifiable, that any person can become anything they want.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:37 PM

There are lots of doctors, lawyers, etc that are idiots. I don't think you could take some kid who was a dope and make him the next Einstein. I think the nature/nurture question as it relates to IQ has been looked at in great detail, should someone want to dredge it up. There's a lot of nature involved, as I recall.

Niner, you are correct to a certain extent, though let me give you something to think about. Surely we must ask ourselves, what exactly is it that makes a person a dope? Do they simply not focus well enough? Do they not actively try to think about things well enough? Maybe they do think about things but they don't try to expand on those things well enough.

The people who do these things naturally, out of a genetic advantage obviously will go on to have superior IQ, or superior thinking abilities.

Though, at the same time, it is rather absurd to insinuate that it is impossible to train these individual things. No academic system on the planet attempts to train children in the mental qualities they lack. Academic systems typically have a fixed schedule of things for every person in them.

It is easily possible to train somebody to focus more, to develop their sustained concentration. It is surely possible to train a person to take an active stance and questioning things more. It is surely possible to train a person to not only think about an idea more, but to think about things that relate to it.

The problem is, when people test this nature over nurture theory, they almost never go this indepth to the workings of a persons mind. They use pre-made tests and make judgments off that.

Just as some people are going to have a genetic advantage when it comes to weight lifitng and body building. Maybe they can build muscle easier, or they heal easier, or they naturally have more persistence more energy. It is ridiculous to say that any person with a functional body can't go on and train themselves in these various fields to become just as strong and big as any body builder. Sure maybe the person with the genetic advantage may be able to do it faster, but it is ridiculous to assume that any person cannot work up to that level, assuming they are physical capable.

No educational systems on the planet take a detailed enough approach into the workings of a persons mind, in terms of developing, and training intelligence. With every mental activity and faculty being like a muscle that can be strengthened. It is simply near impossible for an outside person to dedicate the required time to a single persons particular thought patterns to make them more intelligent. Developing thought patterns is a life-time task. No 'System' is taylored so specifically to every single individual, it is impossible. Only the individual can go to such detail to train himself.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:30 AM

Just as some people are going to have a genetic advantage when it comes to weight lifitng and body building. Maybe they can build muscle easier, or they heal easier, or they naturally have more persistence more energy. It is ridiculous to say that any person with a functional body can't go on and train themselves in these various fields to become just as strong and big as any body builder. Sure maybe the person with the genetic advantage may be able to do it faster, but it is ridiculous to assume that any person cannot work up to that level, assuming they are physical capable.

In sports people with the genetic advantage are grossly over-represented at the top, which invalidates your argument. A genetic advantage means that people can reach their goals easier, or that they can reach a higher pinnacle of fitness than people without the advantage.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:39 AM

A recent study found that Einstein's brain was quite unusual.

http://www.scientifi...einsteins-brain

So it may not have just been a matter of "software".

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:36 PM

Just as some people are going to have a genetic advantage when it comes to weight lifitng and body building. Maybe they can build muscle easier, or they heal easier, or they naturally have more persistence more energy. It is ridiculous to say that any person with a functional body can't go on and train themselves in these various fields to become just as strong and big as any body builder. Sure maybe the person with the genetic advantage may be able to do it faster, but it is ridiculous to assume that any person cannot work up to that level, assuming they are physical capable.

In sports people with the genetic advantage are grossly over-represented at the top, which invalidates your argument. A genetic advantage means that people can reach their goals easier, or that they can reach a higher pinnacle of fitness than people without the advantage.


Invalidates my argument? If anything you just proved my argument. People with the genetic advantage will reach the pinnacle with more ease. This doesn't mean that a person without a genetic advantage who works harder cannot also reach that pinnacle.

A recent study found that Einstein's brain was quite unusual.

http://www.scientifi...einsteins-brain

So it may not have just been a matter of "software".


You are correct, his brain was different in various aspects, but how do you think the brain reflects these various "mind" softwares? It has to reflect it in the physical. If a brain does a particular task over and over, the brain is going to change in structure along with producing more cells of the particular variety that are used in that task.

For instance, the brains of Meditators have been proven to have a significantly higher amount of Gray matter than the average person. Meditation organizes the brain and clarifies it so it can operate with more efficiency and power. If the brain of a meditator was looked at, they would come to the conclusion that the meditator had a significantly different brain than the average person, depending on the level of practice that was attained. Point being that structure and the layout of the brain can be modified and increased in various aspects to meet certain demands. This is partly the essence of Epigenetics. Under certain stressors, including intense thought, the body can turn on certain genes, and even increase the frequency at which certain genes are activated.

The same can be applied to body building in a sense. Some body builders have athletes have more 'fast twitch muscles' which are used for generating short and rapid bursts of energy. People with more fast-twitch muscles can get greater amount of energy in single bursts. Though a person who consciously trains at trying to move faster and get more power out of particular burst, will automatically form more fast-twitch muscles to meet the bodies demand of the task he is trying to do.

This is the amazing thing about our body and brain. Practically anything about it can be trained and strengthened. Sure we don't know everything yet, but that's the great thing about scientific discovery. Einsteins brain was set up in such a way to allow him to connect ideas and visualize with great strength various physics thought experiments inside of his mind. Over time it only makes sense that the more he tried to practice this ability the better his brain would become at doing it.

it's the one difference ours our minds&brains have from a computers software&hardware. Our computers software cannot adapt and change the hardware to meet demands, our bodies can. Tis the wonder of evolution.

Over the centuries, people have placed a wall around such mastery. They have called it genius, and have thought of it as inaccessible. They have seen it as the product of privilege, inborn talent, or just the right alignment of the stars. The have made it seem as if it were as illusive as magic, but that wall is imaginary. This, is the real secret: The brain that we posses is the work of 6 million years of development, and more than anything else, this evolution of the brain is designed to lead us to mastery, the latent power within us all." ~ Robert Green, from his book "Mastery"



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:08 PM

In sports people with the genetic advantage are grossly over-represented at the top, which invalidates your argument. A genetic advantage means that people can reach their goals easier, or that they can reach a higher pinnacle of fitness than people without the advantage.

Invalidates my argument? If anything you just proved my argument. People with the genetic advantage will reach the pinnacle with more ease. This doesn't mean that a person without a genetic advantage who works harder cannot also reach that pinnacle.

..and if a person has a genetic advantage that allows them to reach a higher pinnacle than genetically average people, that person has an advantage. I don't know what mechanism would prevent such genetic advantages from existing. At the highest level even small genetic advantages can make the difference between winning and losing since many athletes are already training optimally.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:57 PM

Invalidates my argument? If anything you just proved my argument. People with the genetic advantage will reach the pinnacle with more ease. This doesn't mean that a person without a genetic advantage who works harder cannot also reach that pinnacle.


Wake me up when a midget get's the 100m sprint world record, will you (nonsense you say? tough, because that is essentially what your argument boils down). Twin adoption studies show quite clearly that within reasonable boundaries of treatment of the children, nature trumps nurture by a significant degree.

We are only starting to understand human genetics and I agree, epigenetics is important, but claiming thought patterns is what separates geniuses from imbeciles (or even the 99th from the 75th percentile), is quite frankly ridiculous. Furthermore, even people with tested genius level IQ can have what can only be described as objectively dysfunctional thought patterns (oftentimes they even know they are dysfunctional - I know I do so).

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:57 PM

Siro, wishing doesn't make it so.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:20 PM

Nature trumps nurture. Nurture has a role, obviously; but you've exaggerated it.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

An interesting common factor in a pretty large number of history's "geniuses" is the diagnosis of autism, or at least personality traits closely associated with it.

http://en.wikipedia....idered_autistic
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:31 PM

I shouldn't be having to type essays for this to be understood.

The brain can be trained to think creatively. The brain can be trained to think abstractly. The brain can be trained to make connections between abstract topics easier. The brain can be trained to figure out abstract theories easier. These are not theories, these are FACTS. I am not talking about generally just "increasing intelligence" here. I am talking about how the various skills that are tested to determine intelligence can be trained in such a way to be extraordinarily powerful.

This is basic indisputable fact. The brain can be trained, and mental skills can be taught and learned. It has been proven time and time again. I have pointed out real world examples of people who have proven that extraordinary mental capabilities can be cultivated in average, or below average people. This includes speed-mathematicians, memory masters who compete in memory competitions, and many of histories greats who did absolutely shit academically and dedicated themselves to becoming the best person they could be, and became as such.

Nature plays a huge role in the direction which a person will naturally go in, but we as humans have the ability of conscious thought and decision. Every persons brain and body can adapt to the situations it is put in to be able to handle them easier, this, is indisputable fact. With conscious choice we can control what our brains and bodies do in terms of tasks, and this is how we can learn and develop skills.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:50 PM

This tread is so bias. "intellegence is hereditary" WTF? so I guess the apes that are your ancestors are just as smart as you. ha
Intelligence is entirely based on surrounding and experience. genetics has very little to do with it because everyone on earth shares almost exactly the same DNA down to a degree of .000003% or near that. Epigenetics may be the word you are looking for, because experience and environmental factors heavily shift cognition and thinking process, epigenetics is what determines everything except critical functions.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:55 PM

This tread is so bias. "intellegence is hereditary" WTF? so I guess the apes that are your ancestors are just as smart as you. ha
Intelligence is entirely based on surrounding and experience. genetics has very little to do with it because everyone on earth shares almost exactly the same DNA down to a degree of .000003% or near that. Epigenetics may be the word you are looking for, because experience and environmental factors heavily shift cognition and thinking process, epigenetics is what determines everything except critical functions.


The key word I would like to point out there is experience. The brain adapts to experience. Certain genetic factors can cause a person to be overly focused on particular subjects, such as in autistic individuals. Though after a certain age, conscious thought and decision making capabilities are developed enough to take these processes into our own hands, and willfully influence the experiences our brain(and body) is subjected to.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:04 PM

I would also like to point everyone to this video. It adequately explains the functions behind Epigenetics, and how Histones and other proteins can manipulate genes based on environmental input to tweak them either to be expressed more, or expressed less, and to even be turned off completely, or be turned on. With the correct input literally any gene can be turned on or off, and tweaked, this includes genes that effect protein expression in brain, as well as protein expression in the body that have to do with things such as skin color, hair color, eye color, etc....given the correct environmental influence.



As he puts it in the video, Methyl Groups act as switches for genes, and Histones act as the knobs that control how much they are expressed. We must not forget that the DNA in the cells of your Big Toe is the exact same as the DNA in your Eye, as well as the DNA in every other unique cell in your body. What regulates how they are expressed is the Methyl Groups and Histones. Environmental factors and experience have the ability to influence the behavior of these methyl groups and histones.

Edited by Siro, 30 January 2013 - 08:14 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:07 PM

You must consider though that autistic individuals have higher levels of glycation and oxidized fats in they're brain. I suspect that these brain plaques are caused by negative experience, the release of ceartin hormones and cell stressors, before the individual has a fully developed brain. The genetic component is if the autistic individual learns do deal with emotional issues at a young age, which subsequently effects they're long term development.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

You must consider though that autistic individuals have higher levels of glycation and oxidized fats in they're brain. I suspect that these brain plaques are caused by negative experience, the release of ceartin hormones and cell stressors, before the individual has a fully developed brain. The genetic component is if the autistic individual learns do deal with emotional issues at a young age, which subsequently effects they're long term development.


This is very true, at least in regards to why autistic people seem to highly avoid and have high stress reactions to certain circumstances.


On the flip side, autistic savants typically get their savant skills from having an obsessive ability to focus on 1 particular subject, and focus hard core on it. This sort of focus can be trained in any individual, no matter how ADHD they may be.

In fact, the very practice of meditation consists of training the brains ability to focus on singular objects/ideas. Brain scans of mediators and Buddhist monks have shown that they have higher Gamma-Wave activity corresponding with higher cognitive thought, as well as higher amounts of gray matter in the areas of the brain that have to do with cognition. These studies are plentiful and everywhere online, as well as EEG scans of some of these individuals.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:18 PM

Perhaps the reason why Savants are good at what they do is because they have never had a bad experience while using gamma wave producing neurons, those involved in coordination and memory. They're brains have selectively cultivated Gamma wave neurons because other groups of neurons were subjected to stresses, causing they're deaths. As if a Evolution of sorts was occurring within they're head.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:20 PM

I am discovering more and more autism symptoms in myself. I just remembered that as maybe a kindergarten or first grade student , I used to spend like twenty minutes putting on socks, adjusting them and taking them on and off until the seams of them no longer irritated me.

scratchy tags on shirts used to bother me a lot..and still do to an extent. Also, I recall that sometimes in various noise level settings, all of the sudden it would seem like everything was getting louder and louder, like an overwhelming torrent of noise.

Weird, not sure when I got over this.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:24 PM

The key word I would like to point out there is experience. The brain adapts to experience.

Yes, while it's growing. Adults can barely even learn new languages as most of the plasticity of the brain has been lost. I give it to you that if a child is given training at the age of four, many things are possible. But at 24 that plasticity is not there anymore as the brain has mostly been wired already, and large changes are no longer possible.
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