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[randolfe]

"Dreaming" is an extremely interesting topic. I find that I sometimes wake up in the middle of a dream, then rush back to bed and attempt "to rush back to sleep" (if such a thing is possible) for the dream to continue.

I think it is also interesting how something or someone you interacted with during the day will either be "a person" or "an environment" in your dreams that evening.

Frankly, I think dreaming is one of the most exciting aspects of life. I just wish I could remember my dreams more clearly. Sometimes, in the middle of the afternoon something will suddenly cause me to remember a really great dream I had had the night before.

I've had discussions with people who use Xanax for sleeping. For some reason, that causes many people to have fabulous dreams.

Dreaming is certainly one of life's great pleasures. Opium dens are often described as being places where people drug themselves by smoking opium so they can drift off into wonderful dreams. I have never had that experience. I've always avoided anything known to be addicting.

Does anyone else have any suggestions about causing great dreams? I'm always amused by those times that I am looking for a bathroom in my dream and wake up realizing my dream was sparked by my actual need to go.

For that matter, would you consider sleepwalking to be a form of dreaming? I once called a friend at 4:30 in the morning and had a conversation I never recalled having. Then again, maybe he got "his dreams" confused with reality!

[Mind]

Dammit, you just reminded me of something that happened just last week. I was dreaming about a method of curing aging. It was very involved and the "science" seemed legit in my dream world (of course). I thought that it might possibly have a connection to real world efforts, and when I woke up I thought I should write down the details of my dream. Then I took a shower, got dressed for work, and I had already forgotten. Dammit. Anyway, that seems to happen to me a lot. If I don't commit my dreams to memory right away, or write the details down, I forget them quite rapidly. I wonder if my mind does this so it can save memory space for real world events.

[Kalepha]

randolfe Does anyone else have any suggestions about causing great dreams?

I don’t do this often, just for kicks and giggles on occasion. But try, on an evening before a day when you don’t have to wake up at a specific time, 9 mg of melatonin and 50 mg of diphenhydramine HCI (both are over-the-counter).

Edit: And, of course, consult your doctor before taking such advice, etc., etc.

[lightowl]

Ah yes, dreaming. Those blissful hours where problems are forgotten and everything is possible. I love dreaming. It is like being in a new world every night. New worlds where transhuman powers become reality in an instant without one having to defend them, just use them. I sometimes go to sleep just to dream. Shut of everything. Shut of the phone. Lock the door. Forget about everything and just emerge myself in dreams.

There are some really good tricks to dreaming. If I find myself in a great dream and I wake up naturally - not by something waking me up - I sometimes just let myself slip into the dream again. In a state of half awake and half asleep a special control of the dreams can be achieved. In this state I can decide where to be and what to do with nearly conscious precision. It is truly a remarkable feeling. The trick is not to move when you awaken. Do not move an inch. Lay perfectly still and think about where you where. Do not open your eyes. Just relax and imagine yourself doing something fun and wonderful.

I sometimes think about swimming. Have you every tried to dive under water in your dreams? When you realize that you can breath normally it is the ultimate freedom. I bit like flying but with the same control as swimming. Keep swimming far away in your dream ocean. Imagine interacting with all sorts of creatures on your way. This is my favorite dream. No pain and no hurry. Just floating as freely as the fish in the stream.

A few days ago I had a very strange dream. I was looking at earth from the surface of the moon. I could see people walking around building something. The next moment I was falling down to earth. Ending up climbing the walls of this strange building. The walls kept disappearing beneath my feet. I was falling and I knew it would hurt to land but it didn't. Strange feeling. I sometimes dream about getting hurt in a battle or in an accident. I feel a sword penetrate my stomach but it does not hurt. It is an awful but empowering feeling. It makes me feel invincible. Dreams often make me feel invincible. I guess that's why I love them so.

If I become immortal I will spend a millennium asleep. How would it feel to dream for days without end? What would one experience? Would it be something new or something different but still the same? Can our minds create a world where everything is exciting and fun always? Would it ever end? Can we continue to dream without fueling our imagination from reality? These are some of the questions I would seek as I emerge myself in my mind.

[randolfe]

I thought that it might possibly have a connection to real world efforts, and when I woke up I thought I should write down the details of my dream. Then I took a shower, got dressed for work, and I had already forgotten. Dammit. Anyway, that seems to happen to me a lot.

Mind, this experience of quickly forgetting dreams is almost universal. In fact, I believe psychiatrists and/or "dream analyzers" tell you to write your dreams down immediately upon awakening so you remember them.

[randolfe]

I sometimes think about swimming. Have you every tried to dive under water in your dreams? When you realize that you can breath normally it is the ultimate freedom. I bit like flying but with the same control as swimming. Keep swimming far away in your dream ocean. Imagine interacting with all sorts of creatures on your way. This is my favorite dream. No pain and no hurry. Just floating as freely as the fish in the stream.

Lightowl, I've never dreamed of swimming. However, one of the most recurrent themes in my dreams is that I can "will myself to fly". I just go up in the air and fly about by simply willing myself to do so. At the same time, I always have to remind myself before taking flight that I must never let doubts about my ability to fly to enter my mind (especially while flying) because it could cause me to fall. I have never fallen. I'm not sure if I ever failed in my effort to summon forth my ability to fly. In my dreams, my ability to fly is "my personal secret" that I can suddenly reveal to others and amaze and startle them.

Recurrent themes are very common in dreams. I once read a mention somewhere about people who dreamed they were walking naked. That also happens to me all the time. I have gone out and forgotten to put my clothes on. At first it doesn't bother me so much but I become increasingly self conscious of my nudity and start seeking to go home to put on clothes, find some place that is less visible, etc.

Ending up climbing the walls of this strange building. The walls kept disappearing beneath my feet. I was falling and I knew it would hurt to land but it didn't. Strange feeling. I sometimes dream about getting hurt in a battle or in an accident. I feel a sword penetrate my stomach but it does not hurt. It is an awful but empowering feeling. It makes me feel invincible. Dreams often make me feel invincible. I guess that's why I love them so.

Lightowl, I had a recurrent nightmare when I was a teenager (several centuries ago) that I had been falsely convicted of a crime I did not commit and was trapped on death row. I was powerless, not invincible. I was filled with frustration and rage because no one understood I was really innocent. Isn't it funny that my dream of being powerless and victimized is sort of a "reverse mirror image" of your dreams of invincibility.

"Reverse mirror image" is a fascinating feature of twins that separate either very early or very late. Their fingerprints can be "mirror images" of each other. Also, moles or birthmarks might be "mirror images" in that one one identical twin the mark will be on the left side of the body and in the other on the right side of the body.

If I become immortal I will spend a millennium asleep. How would it feel to dream for days without end? What would one experience? Would it be something new or something different but still the same? Can our minds create a world where everything is exciting and fun always? Would it ever end? Can we continue to dream without fueling our imagination from reality? These are some of the questions I would seek as I emerge myself in my mind.

I don't think of dreams as exhausting the resources of my mind by "using up" something "fueled" by reality. I see dreaming as "fueling up" reality. You wake up feeling invincible. I wake up wishing I could return the some fabulous place my mind took me through dreaming.

Gosh, I'm glad I thought of posting this thread. Dreaming is "real" but also very mystical. Keep it a secret but some clever critic could put us all down by saying something like: "Dreaming is the religion of the Immortalists!"

[randolfe]

But try, on an evening before a day when you don’t have to wake up at a specific time, 9 mg of melatonin and 50 mg of diphenhydramine HCI (both are over-the-counter).

Nate Barna, funny you would suggest this. I have had problems with insomia for years. I always take 25 or 50mg of HCI every night. I decided to add 3mg of melatonin since my friends (the natural food types) have always urged me to take it instead of any other medications.

I found myself sleeping too much and being tired during the day. Then I saw someone I felt knew what they were talking about saying something like: "It's outrageous that they allow melatonin to be sold over the counter. It's as dangerous as hormones."

That caused me to cut out the melatonin. Cutting out the melatonin put me back into a shorter and more regular sleep cycle. I've always needed 8 1/2 to 9 1/2 hours of sleep every night to feel alive the next day. Getting just one hour less, say 7 1/2 hours, makes me feel exhausted all day and eager to get that day over with so I can get a good night's sleep and feel human again.

I can't remember what melatonin was supposed to possibly cause. I think it was cancer.

Some things are dangerous. I have one friend who claims "testosterone" totally changed his life. He had increased energy, etc. Then a physician friend told me I "was crazy" to have used testosterone salve a friend had sent me because "just a little bit of that can cause cancer". (My friend didn't like it because he's an ardent feminist and testosterone supposedly increases agression tendencies at the same time it ups the energy level and builds muscle).

I guess I should visit the "nootropics" forum on this one. However, we're really talking about the effects medications can have on dreaming.

[Infernity]

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[Infernity]

You know, when I was younger, I could totaly control my dreams, I could do everything, I was totaly aware to that I am dreaming, so I could simply do everything and know I have no limititions, it was like being a god. Shame I didn't use it for so many things, now it is kind of too late, I am having problems finding the difference between dreams and reality while I'm sleeping, my dreams lately are so real, I find myself sometime waking up in a middle of a dream surprised it was a dream.
I miss the old days, when everything is possible and reasonable, I truely felt like a god.
I have to learn how to do it again, it is hard. I started, and I saw a small difference, I started knowing I am dreaming, but it was hard to control them, it takes lots of training, practice, exercise, workout, really hard, I gave up. But I think that's because I don't sleep enough time for it be worth.

I have more important things that dreamming I guess, although it is fun from time to time.

Oh, by the way, did you know that every night, everyone is dreamming about 20 dreams? yes! even if you think you are not dreaming- this is not true. You simply remember only undone dreams, dreams you have woke up in the middle. As soonest you came up in the begining of the dream- as better as you shall remember. Dreams which you managed to end- you shall barely remember if you shall even remember you have dreamed anything.

Yours truthfully
~Infernity

Edited by infernity, 03 April 2005 - 10:19 AM.

[REGIMEN]

I was trying to regulate my sleep pattern with melatonin after a lot of stress during January (day/night flipped around). I would use it and would bring on a feeling of sleepiness which was somewhat beneficial, but found it would make me sleep anywhere from 2-4 hours more and live the first few hours awake in a dulled capacity. I would just layoff the eating and supplementation a few hours before bed if you're looking for way to fall asleep easier. As far as drugs for dreams...try elevating your elbows/arms; just up to stomach level, but not on your torso. I've found this allows for a state where I was somewhere between sleep and deep meditation...and well developed meditative states are similar enough to lucid dreaming experiences in my experience.

But, oooh, dreams...I could go on forever here.
My most promising dreams, as far as the human condition..well, mostly mine, were when the dreams ended in this fantastic buzzing white static where upon realizing this in the dream I woke up. I had these two dreams and then a month after the last one I read somewhere that such an occurance is a sign to the Buddhist practitioner that he is on the "proper path". They were both had within 8 months of eachother and I hadn't done anything like THC or LSD until later. In fact, I was pretty clean aside from the occasional alcohol and cigarettes.
FYAmusement- The first dream was me walking along some sort of sidewalk enjoying the day...the daylight was dusklike and as I looked up I saw a massive globular red/orange/purple garland of flame coming down across the sky. The flames impacted the earth well-'left' of me and rolled around the earth through these black/darkened glass windows a few feet away and incinerated me...this is when the buzzing, crackling white static enveloping occured and I woke up so calmly with the static still crackling as I opened my eyes.
The second one I'll tell some other time.
I should seriously write all of my memorized dreams down....some powerful stuff in there.

[randolfe]

I am having problems finding the difference between dreams and reality while I'm sleeping, my dreams lately are so real, I find myself sometime waking up in a middle of a dream surprised it was a dream.

Infernity, I've heard people described one of their dreams as being "so real"! Actually, all dreams seem real to me. However, I just wonder if mental illness is simply some breakdown between the dreaming and the reality part of our brains?

One of the definitions of being mentally together (tested by ambulance crews when they come to take you to a hospital and you don't want to go) is being able to say what your name is, where you are and who is President of the United States.

I've never heard that we have many dreams every night that we don't remember. I have heard that a dream can occur in a matter of seconds and be triggered by a sound or something.

The flames impacted the earth well-'left' of me and rolled around the earth through these black/darkened glass windows a few feet away and incinerated me...this is when the buzzing, crackling white static enveloping occured and I woke up so calmly with the static still crackling as I opened my eyes.

Liplex, that "dream' sounds like a nightmare to me. Did you feel the pain of being incinerated? Could the static actually been some crackling sound that triggered your dream?

I don't recall ever feeling "physical pain" in a dream. It was always emotional pain--being scared or something.

[REGIMEN]

Hardly a nightmare at all...it was really almost comforting; no pain at all, just myself dissolving into the intense white static. The two dreams I had with the same ending were very different yet the ending was almost identical; also, I was asleep in completely different locations with completely different evenings preceding them(the dream I alread spoke of I was sleeping on the floor of my friends room after a late night party and the second while at home in an actual bed with no memorable aspect of the day before the dream). The second dream was myself fleeing some dark and dingy city with my mother. I began to notice a dark, murky blue skinned lithe and lanky character in pursuit of us as we turned a corner and quickly made our way to the edge of the water, some ocean of sorts, across which was some city palace that very resembled the one at St. Petersburg(the one with the river directly in front of it that is used as an ice skating loop in winter). It was night and the palace dock area was dimly lit, but still fantastic enough to realize we should escape from my shadow self(Jungian archetypes in action!) by swimming across the sea(of unconsciousness) to the jeweled palace(super consciousness, aka:enlightenment). I began swimming with my mother behind me but curved right, out to the ocean in a wide overhead camera-like shot. Oh yeah, the texture of everythign was like those bad early 90's CG trip movies of which I have never seen more than the advert pics on the VHS box so it was hardly a return to some kind of deeply impressed memory; the waves were beautiful and sharp and the next part of the sequence was all the more so for the texture change. The focus was more and more just on me and as it became fully on me I was facing upward, on my back in the water and then slowly rose upward still perpendicular to the water like some kind of magicians floating person trick. I continued to rise and at some point well above the water some type of blinding rays of light, almost jewel like, emanated from my feet as the camera view rotated around my floating body. This is about when the white static cloud joined my sleeping mind with my waking mind and I awoke. The best part af this dream is a week later while in the bath, I noticed I was in the same posture as at the end of the dream and I had this Japanese cosmetic 'mud' product on my face that was teh exact color of the shadow self character. The bath has mirrors around it so when I sat up enough to notice I was pleasantly surprised at this ...'correlation'.

Edited by liplex, 01 March 2005 - 05:32 AM.

[randolfe]

Liplex, whoever said "dreams don't come true!" You might be getting into "dangerous" territory here because you might be implying that your "dream" contained a vision realized "a week later while in the bath".

On a more rational level, perhaps the unconscious memory of that pleasurable dream caused your body to relax into that position as you relaxed in your bath. I've never tried any "Japanese cosmetic mud product". I'm sure I'm far beyond help. However, please share any valuable beauty tips here.

I'm getting envious of some of those who have described their dreams here. It's a shame we can't email our better dreams to good friends. Now, that would be a new way of "sharing". We could discuss that with those who are gung-ho on the idea of uploading and downloading themselves into computers and cyborgs.

Don't you think that your "white static cloud" might just be part of your waking up process?

[REGIMEN]

"Don't you think that your "white static cloud" might just be part of your waking up process? " -randolfe

Not sure. These were those kinds of dreams that feel "important" after you wake up from them. Here's another thing and you tell me if this is just coincidence.

Blahblahblah...(for the first part of the dream)...I enter an elevator with three other people holding up what seems to be a yellow canoe which quickly turned red (yesyes, the sexual implications). In the elevator the canoe disappears, the other two people happen to be agents with me escorting David Bowie, of all people, to some place. The other two agents disappear and I look David Bowie in the face and the elevator jolts to a stop and the lights go dim and flicker. At that moment I woke up, saw the time on my clock state it was 3:12am, and then the power went out before I could blink. If that's not enough, two and a half years later I talk to an ex-girlfriend and she tells me she was in Toronto at that time and crossed paths with...David Bowie...in an elevator. Well? Impressive, heh? There are certainly some personal issues metaphorically dealt with in the first, untold part of the dream concerning the ways my ex-girlfriend and I grew apart.
I've had other "seen after the dream" kind of experiences. Cynicism is the best anyone with such experiences can expect in relating them to people without them. I have plenty of mundane dreams that are pastiches of recent events and stories I've come across soon before a dream, and also a number of lucid dreams, and also some extremely disturbing dreams where I had varying amounts of control, so I've run the gamut as far as types experienced. Well, no dreams with people just-deceased or calling from deep beyond the grave. Sometimes it just takes a mind unhindered by expectation to receive something; solid, prepondered doubt will almost always leave you closed to such opportunities. Haha, like ghosts and faeries, right?
I hope it doesn't sound too much like I'm defending myself. Just a dollop of contextualization for those folks who can't claim to be me.

Oh, and beauty tips? Well, just a dab of clear aloe gel under the eyes tightens up those bags! (Avoid using elsewhere on the face as it creates a sheen; ya don't want to blind people with glare now, do you?) Cheap and not as unsavory as using hemorroid cream. (I sometimes have periods of deeeep undereye baggage. So there. [tung] )

[randolfe]

Liplex, what a charming post. I was about to sign off the computer and dive into bed hoping for a good dream. Now, you have derailed me.

[quote]I look David Bowie in the face and the elevator jolts to a stop and the lights go dim and flicker. At that moment I woke up, saw the time on my clock state it was 3:12am, and then the power went out before I could blink. If that's not enough, two and a half years later I talk to an ex-girlfriend and she tells me she was in Toronto at that time and crossed paths with...David Bowie...in an elevator. Well? Impressive, heh? There are certainly some personal issues metaphorically dealt with in the first, untold part of the dream concerning the ways my ex-girlfriend and I grew apart. [/quote]

(After all this time at Imminst, I justt mastered using "quotes") If I don't include instructions in this posting, remind me and I'll do it in another. For all the fabulous thinkers here at Imminst, we don't seem to have simple common sense guidelines as to how to use features on the site..but I wander.)

I have to wonder if we sometimes don't selectively sort our memories to make coincidences like this occur. I think we want "to believe" in our dreams the way religious people want "to believe" in their religions. Nothing personal in that observation.

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[quote]I have plenty of mundane dreams that are pastiches of recent events and stories I've come across soon before a dream, and also a number of lucid dreams, and also some extremely disturbing dreams where I had varying amounts of control, so I've run the gamut as far as types experienced. Well, no dreams with people just-deceased. [/quote]

I find dreams that are, as you say, "pistiches of recent events", are very common with me. "Lucid dreams, especially ones you wake up from feeling that they were important are much more interesting.

"Extremely disturbing dreams?" Now, we're talking. I had two incest dreams. In one I was having sex with my Mother. My father was standing there and I was saying: "If we could just overcome the opeodal complex, we could ahve a ball."

When I woke up, this dream did not bother me. I wasn't very close with my Mother. A few nights later, however, I dreamed I was lying on a couch with the Aunt I was living with (with whom I was very close) and we were just rocking back and forth becoming ever more intimate. I woke up from that dream in a cold trembling sweat. Funny how "incest taboos" can be so selective.

[quote]
Well, no dreams with people just-deceased or calling from deep beyond the grave. Sometimes it just takes a mind unhindered by expectation to receive something; solid, prepondered doubt will almost always leave you closed to such opportunities. Haha, like ghosts and faeries, right? [/quote]

I've never been visited in a dream by any of the really close loved ones I've buried. However, I am always very interested in hearing tales from others who say some of these people have come to them in dreams.

I have a young Puerto Rican living with me. He claims to have "psychic powers" and tells me my apartment (where my 'wife' and 'mistress' died in different rooms a couple years apart) has "many ghosts" floating about that are watching all that is going on.

I must admit that I don't believe a word of it. Yet, I find the idea very attractive. I think those of us who do not "believe" in whatever actually wish we "could" believe. In fact, I really wish some of my deceased loved ones would visit me in dreams. I suspect I would give their appearance more credulity than perhaps it deserved.

[quote]
Oh, and beauty tips? Well, just a dab of clear aloe gel under the eyes tightens up those bags! (Avoid using elsewhere on the face as it creates a sheen; ya don't want to blind people with glare now, do you?) Cheap and not as unsavory as using hemorroid cream. (I sometimes have periods of deeeep undereye baggage. So there. [/quote]

Well, I've only recently heard about Preparation H being used by drag queens to get rid of the bags under the eyes. Never tried it myself. However, I did think about having plastic surgery, not to look younger but to get rid of the sadness that I felt showed in my face from all the hard times I have experienced in life.

I went out one day and this quite ugly older man was coming into the building as I was going out. He had "crows feet" for days around each eye. But, somehow, the overall effect was to create the impression he had been smiling for the last sixty years. I wanted to look like that because I found that I instinctively wanted to "smile back" at him.

At the place where they removed my cataracts, they told me I could come in for a "consultation" and implied that if I "pretended" my sagging eyebrows hindered the sight in my eyes that Medicaid would pay for "cosmetic surgery" around my eyes.

I was really tempted. However, when I thought that even minor surgery like that put your life at risk (Remember Tody Fields! Or perhaps you are too young. She was a very fat middle-aged comedian who died back in the 1970s during a 'face-lift operation'. No face lift would have really helped her!)

In any event, thanks for the "beauty tip". Aloe gel under the eyes couldn't be life threatening. However, if I seem to be crying during my next TV appearance, you will know why.

Now, to help you with using "quotes" I'll just paste two emails regarding it here. Copy and paste these instructions. They will make your use of the site here much easier and much more fun.

--------------------email from DonS explaing how to use "quotes"---------------


err, let me try explaining it again, since I looked at my post and thought it could be explained better. Okay, here goes:

[quote]
Insert text here. [/quote]

If you follow this format you should have no problems. Always hit return after the first quote tag and always leave space between the period and the beginning of the second quote tag. The text inside of the quote tags should always be capitalized and you should never leave a poster's name inside of the first quote tag (example: [quote]) because you will encounter a software bug if you go to edit the post later.

Hope this was more clear.

DonS


And my answer was as follows:
Thank you so much. Now, why isn't there a thread called "How to use this site" where these simple directions can be posted?

--------------------another part of the email from DonS--------------


Also, when you're responding to a post you will get quotes with things like this -- [quote]alsfjrlsajdfklajs [/quote] You should delete the "=DonSpanton" and hit return after the first quote tag. Not delete the "=DonSpanton" will not screw up your post initially, but if you go to edit your post later, it will be all screwed up. Same goes for not hiting return after the first quote tag.

-----------------my resonse to DonS instructions regarding refinements------------
I can't believe how long I suffered from being unable to use "quotes" like everyone else did.

I would elaborate your excellent instructions with a couple added details. I couldn't understand why at first I succeed and the next time nothing worked.

Before putting the first [quote] YOU SHOULD HIT THE RETURN TAB SO THAT IS NOT THE FIRST LINE ON YOUR NEW POSTING. (Caps were just a mistake there)

Also, you mentioned making sure there was a space between the period and the final [/quote] Well, you want to make sure you leave only one space because if you leave two spaces, the quote won't post properly.

I'm having such a ball right now discussing "dreaming" and sharing dreams with others on a thread I started in the new "social sciences" subsection under Immortalism.

Skip philosophy for a few minutes. Come join us in the magical mystical partly-logical and partly-illogical (?) world of dreaming.

Dreamingly yours,

Randy Wicker

Hope this is helpful. I'm going to post these instructions somewhere else tomorrow. (Any suggestions? If these instructions helped you, please feel free to give positive feedback )

Well, I've changed things several times and for some reason what worked a short time ago is not working now. So much for claiming to have "mastered" anything.

Edited by BJKlein, 10 March 2005 - 05:31 AM.

[Infernity]

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Edited by infernity, 28 March 2005 - 01:34 PM.

[REGIMEN]

Maybe I didn't say it clearly in the post, but I hadn't talked to this ex-girlfriend for two years, then had the dream, and a year later after the dream I spoke to her. So for what it's worth, I hadn't spoken to this person in three years with the dream and her experience pretty much matching up to the month. Coincidence?
How about when the power went out in my dream with the same happening in my apartment seconds later? Yes, the sequence of dream first and reallife second is perfectly sound and not some groggy, just-woke-up flipped memory.
Also, let's say I had read about David Bowie being in Toronto at that time, why would there be nothing in the dream about Toronto? why just an elevator in the middle of some space-station jungle(yeah, contexts change quickly in dreams)? Does D.B. being in Toronto mean he is indefinitely IN an elevator? Her whole experience with D.B. was fully in the elevator...she's in the elevator,,next floor D.B. gets on,,,next floor he gets off...that's it. The whole thing is just a little too eerie for these "subconcious processing" explanations to make sense of the depth of connections. The most sensible thing that could be said about at least the material within the dream(not the blackout that happened seconds after...in March, or all months...first time in that apartment after 7 months of living there...none during the two blizzards and autumn thunderstorms either, on a relatively quiet, windless early morning)...is that the topics were all just part of my sleeping creativity which makes it a big bad coincidence.

I'm only reportin' the facts, m'am.

Edited by liplex, 03 April 2005 - 12:49 AM.

[REGIMEN]

You know, when I was yunger, I could totaly control my dreams, I could do everything, I was totaly aware to that I am dreaming, so I could simply do everything and know I have no limititions, it was like being a god.

I just started taking picamilon a few days ago and I've actually had this element of control restored in my dreams. I take a number of other things too, though, but it was only with the picamilon that I began to notice it and feel present in the dreams and remember them.

[Infernity]

liplex, well in the dreams everything is possible, there is no rationality in it. You might have dreamed of it because of very small pieces of information, energy who knows. But these cases have explanation and that's happening from time to time...

Yours truthfully
~Infernity

[susmariosep]

Broadly, three or four kinds of dreams.


Speaking for myself on my own experiences, there four kinds of dreams.

1. The delightful ones which we can call entertaining or amusing.

2. The frightening ones which we can still call entertaining or amusing but you have to wake up from them; because if you don't then you have either passed to the state of coma or you have died, in both cases you are no longer relevant to yourself and can't be anymore.

3. The depressing ones which make you feel bad for yourself or for people you love; but if you are religious of the Christianity kind, you say to yourself: Count your blessings...

4. The memoranda and agenda ones where you make a note in the dream itself or afterwards to look up or to take care of a matter the dream happens to remind you about; for example, dreaming that you could not find your wallet where you always placed it, on your office desktop when you have to visit the bathroom for your more urgent business of nature.

Susma

[Infernity]

Susma,

You are missing one kind of dream, but I believe, you- like the very most never had it, so never mind.

Cannot be said in words...
Unexplainable.

I just had to mention.

Yours truthfully
~Infernity

[randolfe]

Liplex said:

I just started taking picamilon a few days ago and I've actually had this element of control restored in my dreams. I take a number of other things too, though, but it was only with the picamilon that I began to notice it and feel present in the dreams and remember them.

What is picamilon? Can you buy it over the counter?

I had a strange experience the other evening. While I was waiting to fall asleep, I "knew" I was going to have a lot of dreams that evening. I even remember wondering to myself how I could know that in advance.

It just happened that I did have several dreams. I also noted that subjects in my dreams were related to things I had seen on television during the day. In one dream I had a pet lion. Earlier I had seen a CN report about an animal called "Hercules" that weighed 1,000 pounds and was a rare cross between a lion and a tiger.

After reading a story about memories in the New York times which said that each time we retrieved a memory and then put it back into storage, we changed that memory in some ways.

Since our memories of dreams are usually vague or nonexistent, I am suspicious of how accurate our memories of them may be. Perhaps you unconsciously "adjusted" your memory of that dream to fit the description your friend gave you about being in an elevator with David Bowie.

[REGIMEN]

Hey Randolfe-
Picamilon is a cerebral vasodilator that penetrates the blood brain barrier and is useful for things like, well, you'll just have to venture forth into the chemical jungle of the Supplements and Nootropics boards to find out about this golden artifact.

I think the change to a memory that the article was referring to was more on the line of retrospective critique...like thinking back about your past in a means to reconcile particular categories of self understanding. As far as handling the waxen material of our memories and accidentally reshaping it into something completely different...well, I guess anything is possible. But how could I wake up with all that happened surrounding the dream event and make it something different in memory than what I wrote down about it almost instantly after it occurred? (yep, got ut some paper to catalog the details in and after the dream) Paper...Memory. I didn't go back with an eraser or whiteout, either. It happened. Done deal. Maybe someday I will be able to make sense of it,,,maybe someday I'll just forget it,,,
I still don't see much need for adjustment to place the details of my dream near the ex-lover/Bowie Elevator meeting. Oh vell... off to make pea soup and hit da bed...

[REGIMEN]

http://www.enotalone...ticle/3836.html
( Warning: thar be pop-ups at this link!! speaks perhaps of the quality of material at this site)
"There are five different types of dreams: ordinary, lucid, telepathic, premonitory, and nightmare. They often blend and merge with one another. "

I'm not too fond of the use of "other souls" being cited as a source for some content of dreams, but at least susma and infern can now agree that there are not just 4 but a whole *5* types of dreams. [tung]

Edited by liplex, 09 May 2005 - 09:38 PM.

[Infernity]

http://www.imminst.o...php?act...69

~Infernity

[REGIMEN]

i guess i don't understand the need to have "reconstructed" this thread...mind enlightening me, infernity?

[Infernity]

Perhaps become a full member and realize on your own: http://www.imminst.o...f=190&t=6164



However, the two posts here that shows "test" and "test2" are correct in the other thread...

That's a long story.

Yours truthfully
~Infernity

[REGIMEN]

I guess I'll neva know... pooh

[joann234]

Talking about dreams, I can control most of my dreams and I am mostly aware of what is happening and control, with conscience thought what I can do in my dreams. I wake up remember that I actually make descision in my dream, to fly, to drive, to turn right etc.

What has helped me control my dreams and become more aware during dreaming is I changed my habits. Here is what I changed:

I stopped drinking - well almost - I would drink 2- 3 drinks at the end of the day (everyday) to relax. I have been drinking everyday for the past 4 years.

I started exercising - 30 minutes a day or every other day on the trending with light weight training

I started eating better - cut down on the fast food and ate more fruit and vegetables

I just turned 40 so I guess I am becoming more mature and able to take control of my mind and body more than 20.

I started taking natural supplements including tart cherry. Tart cherry is a natural source of Melatonin. I have been taking tart cherries for the past
1 year and I really have felt the positive difference. Here is a link to a free downloadable tart cherry book at http://www.traversebayfarms.com

Edited by joann234, 05 January 2009 - 04:09 PM.