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#1 ozone

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 01:52 AM


Whenever I read that people added this into their regime I thought it was some kind of "multi" supplement; I never knew it was actually a drug/thing onto itself. So I went to Kroger (grocery store) because I heard that most places like that carried it and I picked some up. I took 400mg in the morning and holy smokes. I honestly believe this alone has had the most visible effect on me yet aside from Adderall. When I take it I feel motivated and able to really focus for at least 3-4 hours. I've read it's non-toxic and safe for long term use. Is there anyone else out there that has had such an awesome effect too from this?

#2 vortexentity

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 05:02 AM

If it were not for the high price I wouild still be taking it.

I got some on closeout. It was a heck of a deal. I got 2 boxes of 24 enteric coated pills. I think it worked great. It was about 20 dolllars per box and I got is for 2 so I could afford it. If I have to spend 20 dollars for a weeks supply I can not affort to add it to my stack.

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#3 ozone

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 12:04 PM

1 month supply here for $30.

http://www.vitacost....e=trafficleader

#4 lynx

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 02:11 PM

1 month supply here for $30.

http://www.vitacost....e=trafficleader


Unfortunately they don't mention what the R,S/S,S ratio is. The RS form is worthless, only SS has any biological activity. The 3 major brands worth taking are LEF, Jarrow and NatureMade. Costco carries NatureMade at a great price.

Edited by lynx, 27 April 2005 - 03:18 PM.


#5 ageless

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 02:50 PM

AOR now has SAMe 400 offering a full 400mg of true SAMe ion per tablet, with a minimum of the 70% biologically active (S), S-diateroisomer. They have a new, more stable, non-hygroscopic source of SAMe, which does not require enteric coating or blister packing.

#6 johnmk

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 04:32 PM

Is there any point in taking SAMe chronically or would its effects peter out with time? Even if you can't feel its effect subjectively, is there an objective good in taking SAMe chronically?

#7 lynx

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 07:35 PM

SAMe is almost as powerful as fish oil. The only drawback is that it can elevate homocysteine, so you need adequate B6, B12(methyl) and folic acid(folinic is better).

#8 wannafulfill

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 12:43 AM

TMG (tri-methyl-gylcine) helps too.

#9 velocidex

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 01:45 AM

SAM-e reduces dopamine synthesis, and is a dopaminergic neurotoxin at sufficient doses.

#10 ozone

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 02:33 AM

SAM-e reduces dopamine synthesis, and is a dopaminergic neurotoxin at sufficient doses.


[huh] Got some info on that? I feel exactly the opposite effect when I take it. I could almost swear my norepinephrine levels are increased.

#11 lynx

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 02:44 PM

SAM-e reduces dopamine synthesis, and is a dopaminergic neurotoxin at sufficient doses.

Yes this is quite true, when injected directly into the brains of rats. However, I suspect that the toxicity is a result of elevated homocysteine, not from SAM-e. Either way, you can inject almost anything into the brains of rats and see neurotoxic effects, so it is not really a helpful model.

#12 wannafulfill

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Posted 02 May 2005 - 09:43 PM

AOR now has SAMe 400 offering a full 400mg of true SAMe ion per tablet, with a minimum of the 70% biologically active (S), S-diateroisomer. They have a new, more stable, non-hygroscopic source of SAMe, which does not require enteric coating or blister packing.


They do? It's not on their website.

#13 omega_rage

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 12:12 PM

I never had this affect when taking SAMEe!?

#14 ozone

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 04:21 PM

I never had this affect when taking SAMEe!?


What effect? Feeling dumb because your dopamine levels are suppressed or the effect I felt? [huh]

#15 omega_rage

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 09:17 AM

The effect you felt, ozone.

#16 funkmasterflex

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 08:21 PM

yeah SAM-e is why i dont drink coffee anymore everymorning

#17 johnmk

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 09:46 PM

yeah SAM-e is why i dont drink coffee anymore everymorning


Explain please? ;)

Thank you,

-John

#18 funkmasterflex

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Posted 11 May 2005 - 05:56 AM

I just get a buzz off of 200mg sam-E from now foods. I can skip my cup of joe and be on my way. Its my jump start in the morning. Sam-E actually helps to reduce homocystine. Read Dr Michael Colgans book on SAM-e on its potential uses.

#19 velocidex

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 01:28 PM

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=9247319

Life Sci. 1997;61(5):495-502. Related Articles,Links

Depletion of nigrostriatal and forebrain tyrosine hydroxylase by S-adenosylmethionine: a model that may explain the occurrence of depression in Parkinson's disease.

Charlton CG.

College of Pharmacy, Florida A and M University, Tallahassee 32307, USA.

The loss of nigrostriatal tyrosine hydroxylase (TH), dopamine and dopaminergic neurons are the major pathology of Parkinson's disease (PD). These catecholaminergic changes are responsible for the symptoms of tremor, hypokinesia and rigidity. Depression is also a major symptom in PD, but the cause is unknown. The impairments of catecholaminergic fibers in the frontal lobe may be involved, because the frontal lobe of the cerebrum is involved in the regulation of mood, and decreased catecholaminergic activity in the frontal lobe is related to behavioral depression. The changes that damage the nigrostriatal dopamine system and induce motor impairments may also damage the forebrain catecholamine fibers and induce depression. It means that manipulations that damage the nigrostriatum (NS) and induce parkinsonism may also deplete TH in the frontal cortex. Such an effect would suggests a basis for the depression seen in PD. The injection of S-adenosyl-L-methionine (SAM), the biological methyl donor, into the brain of rats damaged the NS, depleted TH and caused tremor and hypokinesia. SAM may interfere also with the forebrain TH, which may help to explain the occurrence of depression in PD. Experiments were designed to test such a hypothesis. The results showed that SAM caused a loss of immunoreactive nerve fibers and it decreased the intensity of TH-immunoreactivity (IR) in the frontal cortex. These changes were accompanied with the loss of cells and the depletion of TH-IR from nerve fibers in the SN and the caudate nucleus. Other studies showed that SAM depletes DA and since SAM induces PD-like changes the results may be relevant to the co-occurrence of PD symptoms and depression. A single biological manipulation may impair the nigrostriatal dopaminergic neurons as well as the frontal cortex catecholaminergic fibers.



http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=7888091


Mol Neurobiol. 1994 Aug-Dec;9(1-3):149-61. Related Articles,Links

Substantia nigra degeneration and tyrosine hydroxylase depletion caused by excess S-adenosylmethionine in the rat brain. Support for an excess methylation hypothesis for parkinsonism.

Charlton CG, Mack J.

Department of Pharmacology, Meharry Medical College, Nashville, TN 37208.

The major symptoms of Parkinson's disease (PD) are tremors, hypokinesia, rigidity, and abnormal posture, caused by degeneration of dopamine (DA) neurons in the substantia nigra (SN) and deficiency of DA in the neostriatal dopaminergic terminals. Norepinephrine, serotonin, and melanin pigments are also decreased and cholinergic activity is increased. The cause of PD is unknown. Increased methylation reactions may play a role in the etiology of PD, because it has been observed recently that the CNS administration of S-adenosyl-L-methionine (SAM), the methyl donor, caused tremors, hypokinesia, and rigidity; symptoms that resemble those that occur in PD. Furthermore, many of the biochemical changes seen in PD resemble changes that could occur if SAM-dependent methylation reactions are increased in the brain, and interestingly, L-DOPA, the most effective drug used to treat PD, reacts avidly with SAM. So methylation may be important in PD; an idea that is of particular interest because methylation reactions increase in aging, the symptoms of PD are strikingly similar to the neurological and functional changes seen in advanced aging, and PD is age-related. For methylation to be regarded as important in PD it means that, along with its biochemical reactions and behavioral effects, increased methylation should also cause specific neuronal degeneration. To know this, the effects of an increase in methylation in the brain were studied by injecting SAM into the lateral ventricle of rats. The injection of SAM caused neuronal degeneration, noted by a loss of neurons, gliosis, and increased silver reactive fibers in the SN. The degeneration was accompanied with a decrease in SN tyrosine hydroxylase (TH) immunoreactivity, and degeneration of TH-containing fibers. At the injection site in the lateral ventricle it appears that SAM caused a weakening or dissolution of the intercellular substances; observed as a disruption of the ependymal cell layer and the adjacent caudate tissues. SAM may also cause brain atrophy; evidenced by the dilation of the cerebral ventricle. Most of the SAM-induced anatomical changes that were observed in the rat model are similar to the changes that occur in PD, which further support a role of SAM-dependent increased methylation in PD.



http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=8503824


Behav Neural Biol. 1993 May;59(3):186-93. Related Articles,Links

S-adenosyl-L-methionine decreases motor activity in the rat: similarity to Parkinson's disease-like symptoms.

Crowell BG Jr, Benson R, Shockley D, Charlton CG.

Department of Pharmacology, Meharry Medical College, Nashville, Tennessee 37221.

S-Adenosyl-L-methionine has been shown to cause Parkinson's disease-like effects that include hypokinesia, tremor, rigidity, and abnormal posture. S-Adenosyl-L-methionine is the rate-limiting endogenous methyl donor. Its biochemical role, which includes the metabolism of dopamine and the synthesis of acetylcholine, also resembles the changes that occur in Parkinson's disease. Therefore, S-adenosyl-L-methionine may play a role in Parkinson's disease-like motor impairments. In this study we manipulated the levels of S-adenosyl-L-methionine in the brain of rats and quantified the changes in hypokinetic type motor activity that seems to occur also in Parkinsonism. Male Sprague-Dawley rats were anesthetized with chloral hydrate (400 mg/kg/rat), cannulated, injected into the lateral ventricle with S-adenosyl-L-methionine or saline, and their motor activity was measured in a Digiscan Animal Activity Monitor. Other behaviors were also observed. S-Adenosyl-L-methionine caused hypokinesia, tremor, rigidity, and abnormal posture in rats. Motor activity was significantly decreased within 2 min postinjection. The hypokinesia was maximal at 60 min, at which time a 65, 75, and 90% decrease for total distance, number of movements, and the ratio of total distance to the number of movements occurred, respectively. The hypokinetic effect of S-adenosyl-L-methionine was dose dependent. A 65.0 and 51.3% decrease in total distance and number of movements, respectively, were observed following 9.38 x 10(-9) mol. The 5.0 x 10(- mol caused a reduction of 73.42 and 57.66% and 4.0 x 10(-7) mol/rat caused a 94.9 and 78.43% decrease, respectively.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)
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#20 velocidex

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 01:32 PM

SAM-e reduces dopamine synthesis, and is a dopaminergic neurotoxin at sufficient doses.


[huh] Got some info on that? I feel exactly the opposite effect when I take it. I could almost swear my norepinephrine levels are increased.


How precisely do you know what your norepinephrine levels increasing feels like? It's kindof pointless to make statements like this since you have absolutely no idea what a norepinephrine increase feels like... nor could you work it out. Does taking reboxetine feel the same? I don't think so....




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