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#1 Renegade

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:36 AM


I have been experimenting with curcumin for around 6 months (500mg curcumin 95 on an empty stomach). I took it conistantly for 4 months or so, then I stopped as I could not discern any obvious subjective benefits.

Since starting again over the past week or so, I am amazed at the effects. An hour or so after ingestion - anxiety lessens significantly, my mind feels focused and the fog lifts, I also feel mildly stimulated in a very nice way (which seems paradoxical to the calming and anti anxiety effects, but its really not). I feel there is something in this serotonergic / dopamine boositing and modulating action which my brain really thrives off. I've never felt this kind of immediate and obvious beneficial effect from any other substance, and I've tried many.

As well as the immediate effect, I love how it is also a premier substance for long term neurogenesis, anti oxidation, powerful anti inflammatory and a host of other brain and body benefits. On paper, and based on my subjective experience, I thnk it's probably the no 1 herb for brain health. Anyone agree?

I'm going to start experimenting with different dosages and the addition of piperine / experimenting with the BCM-95 (although I tried it once and was over stimulating). I'll update in this thread.

I'm interested to hear other peoples' experiences and opinions on curcumin and whether they match with my own.

Edited by Renegade, 17 February 2013 - 11:40 AM.


#2 FrankEd

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 04:01 PM

Please, take a look at the link below:

http://neurotalk.psy...hlight=curcumin

An english man, username Ronhutton, is a 20 years Parkinson´s Disease fighter and is using Curcumin during 10 years.

In other posts at this forum he claims that felt good improvement thru the use of curcumin, regardless its poor bioavailability.

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#3 Renegade

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:55 PM

Interesting that he is getting substantial benefits from 1000mg. I increased to 1000mg today divided into two doses. It seems to have given me a nice effect. There is an evident stimulating and focusing effect which makes my brain feel more sharp and awake, as well as the other effects I described :)

Edited by Renegade, 19 February 2013 - 07:57 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:53 PM

I've been using longvida curcumin for a while. A bit less brain fog, less inflammation when I had inflammation issues in my knee, but it felt like the effect decreased with time. There is a lot of research backing curcumin, I just didn't feel a continuous effect(or big enough effect, compared to the cost) so I stopped it. *Maybe* the longvida curcumin is not the best afterall(and expensive like hell), which brand did you use? Wow, jarrow curcumin 95 extract is so cheap.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:41 AM

I wonder whether some of the effect you experience is from the stimulation of heat-shock proteins. You may get a similar feeling from a cold shower, or from alpha lipoic acid. One of many sources of the circumin/heat shock protein connection.

My mother has both early stage Parkinson's and arthritis, and I have her taking circumin to treat those conditions.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:05 AM

I got serious gastric reflux from Curcumin. I was symptom free from GERD for 4 years, then it brought it all back. Taking curcumin was one of the biggest mistakes of my life
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#7 Renegade

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:21 AM

I've been using longvida curcumin for a while. A bit less brain fog, less inflammation when I had inflammation issues in my knee, but it felt like the effect decreased with time. There is a lot of research backing curcumin, I just didn't feel a continuous effect(or big enough effect, compared to the cost) so I stopped it. *Maybe* the longvida curcumin is not the best afterall(and expensive like hell), which brand did you use? Wow, jarrow curcumin 95 extract is so cheap.


Is tolerance possible with curcumin? As I said, the effects became more pronounced with myself after a period of abstnence. Possible tolerance to it's dopamine effects? Either way, it offers enough long term benefits, neurogenesis etc for me to take it continually, even if the immediate effects lessen. I'm taking the Lamberts (Natures Best) 95 Curcumin.

Interesting about the heat shock protein connection. I will look into that and also try some ALA. This source advises to not take more than 50mg long term of ALA long term http://www.raysahelian.com/lipoic.html but ill start at a higher dose to gauge the effect.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:18 AM

Doesn't curcumin decrease libido?

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:47 AM

Doesn't curcumin decrease libido?

Not that I have ever read. I've taken 400 mg daily for years, the BCM 95 curcumin brand for the past three with no noticable effect on libido.

#10 Renegade

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:37 PM

BCM 95 made me feel really wired. It seems to be too strong for me.

#11 freeman

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 06:00 AM

I've been taking 500mg curcumin 95 every morning for about six months now.

Initially my interest in curcumin began after reading several anecdotes on a skin condition forum of people's keratosis pilaris and ingrown hairs clearing up with daily curcumin supplementation. As I read about it's anti-inflammatory and cancer preventative properties I figured I'd give it a try.

So far I can say that it has definitely had a positive effect on my KP; almost entirely eliminating it.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:57 PM

Doesn't curcumin decrease libido?


Not mine. However, I am 25.

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 05:44 PM

The first time I took LEF's Super-Bio Curcumin BCM-95 I felt a noticeable clearheadedness and lift in mood. I have continued to notice its anxiolytic effects and am still trying to evaluate the rest of its effects on me. I gave my girlfriend a capsule and she responded tremendously to it. She claims its one of the best things she's ever taken because it puts her in such a good mood and helps her to feel motivated and focused. She has taken it 3 days in a row now and those effects have remained constant. I'm envious at how pronounced her reaction to it has been.

I didn't even tell her what to expect before taking it. She asked what I was taking and I basically explained that it was essentially a spice, on the same order as Ginger, and she asked if she could try a pill.

This is not meant to be an endorsement for LEF's brand of Curcumin. I'm just sharing my limited experiences with it.

I tried taking 2 pills in hopes of achieving the same response she reported and it just made me extremely mellow, tired, and borderline apathetic. 1 pill seems to be the key for me and I will continue taking it for its anti-inflammatory properties and neurogenesis ability.

Edited by semi-retarded-individual, 11 August 2013 - 05:45 PM.


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 09:22 AM

Are you by any chance taking Wellbutrin (bupropion)? Or maybe sertraline? Curcumin inhibits the liver enzyme that these two are metabolized by and could have an enhancing interaction. Though I've read that curcumin has a psychological/emotional effect on its own.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:28 PM

I take 1.5 g of Meriva Curcumin every day, spread during the day (500 mg in the morning, 500 mg at lunch, 500 mg in the evening). Haven't felt or noticed any effect, but I still take it for the countless (supposed) health benefits. Meriva should be highly bioavailable. I take the one from Thorne Research.

Perhaps I haven't felt anything from it because I'm a big guy (152 Kg = 335 lbs). Or perhaps it's because I already take other supplements which modulate inflamation, such as Resveratrol (which gave me serious energizing effects in the beginning).

I will keep taking it for the excellent effects on health - there are lots of studies.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 06:27 PM

My friend just tried some LEF Bio-Curcumin and associated it with joint pain in his fingers. Doing a search I see a few mentions of resveratrol having a similar effect in a small sample of people, and recommendations for increasing vitamin D. Could this be what's happening with him? He discontinued and will try again to see if it happens again.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:59 AM

Taking a full tsp curcumin powder just some cheap version of the whole powder and mixing that with half a tsp of powdered black pepper placed in a raw egg solution drizzled with a splash of olive oil. mixxit up and chug it down, disgusting but effective. Day two of doing this and I swear there is some oily residue coming off my skin, anyone else experienced this? Might be the reason everyone thinks Indians smell bad because of traces of their curry spices could be leeching out in the sweet.
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Posted 24 October 2013 - 01:17 PM

Are you by any chance taking Wellbutrin (bupropion)? Or maybe sertraline? Curcumin inhibits the liver enzyme that these two are metabolized by and could have an enhancing interaction. Though I've read that curcumin has a psychological/emotional effect on its own.


I believe you're talking about this, "It was further explored that curcumin inhibits the activity of both MAO-A and MAO-B enzymes. It is important to mention here that monoamine oxidase is the enzyme that is involved in the degradation of norepinephrine, serotonin and dopamine. By inhibiting the activity of MAO enzyme, curcumin increases the concentration of these neurotransmitters in the synapse and thus prolonging their action." MAO-A enzymes break down the neurotransmitter Serotonin while MAO-B enzymes break down Dopamine, which converts to Norephinerphrine. For the unaware, these are the "feel good" neurotransmitters.

Note that inhibition of MAO-A can lead to hypertension if too much Tyramine is consumed. Hypertension related to MAO-A inhibition has since been dubbed the "Cheese Effect" because of the high amounts of Tyramine in cheese. I wouldn't worry about it though because we don't know how strongly Curcurmin inhibits these enzymes. If you want to be safe simply monitor your blood pressure occasionally.


link: http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2929771/
link: http://www.virtualtr...com/pcvdiet.cfm

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:44 PM

I believe you're talking about this, "It was further explored that curcumin inhibits the activity of both MAO-A and MAO-B enzymes.

Note that inhibition of MAO-A can lead to hypertension if too much Tyramine is consumed. Hypertension related to MAO-A inhibition has since been dubbed the "Cheese Effect" because of the high amounts of Tyramine in cheese. I wouldn't worry about it though because we don't know how strongly Curcurmin inhibits these enzymes. If you want to be safe simply monitor your blood pressure occasionally.


Very interesting. I believe I have experienced this. I love strong cheeses and the past year I have noticed negative effects after consuming a lot of strong aged cheese. I feel wired, have insomnia and can “feel” my heartbeat. I posted about it on a cheese forum and people made fun of me. I read about the “cheese effect” but thought it did not apply to me because I don’t take MAO inhibitors. But I do take curcumin. So maybe it’s a negative interaction of curcumin and tyramine that I am experiencing.
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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:49 PM

I have also experienced positive mood effects from taking curcumin. Seems to make me feel more “grounded” and helps my insomnia.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:29 PM

I believe you're talking about this, "It was further explored that curcumin inhibits the activity of both MAO-A and MAO-B enzymes.

Note that inhibition of MAO-A can lead to hypertension if too much Tyramine is consumed. Hypertension related to MAO-A inhibition has since been dubbed the "Cheese Effect" because of the high amounts of Tyramine in cheese. I wouldn't worry about it though because we don't know how strongly Curcurmin inhibits these enzymes. If you want to be safe simply monitor your blood pressure occasionally.


Very interesting. I believe I have experienced this. I love strong cheeses and the past year I have noticed negative effects after consuming a lot of strong aged cheese. I feel wired, have insomnia and can “feel” my heartbeat. I posted about it on a cheese forum and people made fun of me. I read about the “cheese effect” but thought it did not apply to me because I don’t take MAO inhibitors. But I do take curcumin. So maybe it’s a negative interaction of curcumin and tyramine that I am experiencing.


That is very interesting.

Yeah, any aged food will contain more Tyramine than say something that isn't. That's why beers, wines, and especially aged cheeses are on the "foods to avoid" list when on a MAO-A inhibitor diet. Note that regular cheese contains high amounts of Tyramine regardless of it's age.

Hypertension is considered the "silent killer, because there are no noticeable symptoms, but the symptoms you've listed would be very obvious. So I'm not sure what to think there. Best bet is to simply talk to your GP, or whoever. Just be aware that they're normally not versed well in herbs and nootropics.

Meanwhile severe headaches, fatigue or confusion, dizziness, nausea, problems with vision, chest pains, breathing problems, irregular heartbeat, and blood in urine are all possible symptoms of hypertension.

link: http://www.medicalne...cles/150109.php

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 08:03 AM

I eat curcumin as powder mixed with my food. Sometimes I buy the fresh turmeric roots from asian shops.

 

My best result with curcumin comes when I make sure not to eat any dairy products before eating curcumin. Two days ago I only drank tomato juice for breakfeast. In the afternoon I mixed about 10 grams of curcumin powder with 5 grams of curry powder, some mixed peppers, a large amount of olive oil and a mix of potatoes and chicken. Everything was heated in a microwave until it was steaming hot.

About an hour later I felt something coming close to the rush I imagine one gets from doing recreational drugs! That was slightly amazing. My mood lightened and I had an almost sugary smell coming from my mouth for another hour.


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 06:46 PM

I've seen huge improvements in my condition - psoriasis. The wide ranging of epigenetic effects that curcumin ehibits is astounding. It is not only a histone deacetylase inhibitor, but also a DNA hypomethylating agent.

See - Curcumin as a regulator of epigenetic events, Marie-Hel´ene Teiten et al, Mol. Nutr. Food Res. 2013, 57, 1619?1629

 

In this recent paper paid for by the German government, theracurmin had good bioavailability (27 fold), as did the piperine group did well too (20 fold) and BCM-95 (7 fold). Of course all the commercially available forms were all beaten my their micronized powder and liquid micelles. I wish I knew whether that was available.

 

Schiborr, C. et al, The oral bioavailability of curcumin from micronized powder and liquid micelles is significantly increased in healthy humans and differs between sexes. Mol. Nutr. Food Res. (2014), 58: 516?527. doi: 10.1002/mnfr.201300724



"The use of adjuvants, such as piperine [28] or turmeric essential oils [37], enhanced curcumin bioavailability (based on AUC) 20- or 7-fold, respectively (Table5). Incorporation of curcumin into lecithin (mainly phosphatidylcholine) liposomes resulted in a ca. fourfold better absorption (based on AUC) than native curcumin in nine healthy volunteers [38]. The bioavailability of a micronized form of crystalline curcumin (Theracurmin, prepared from curcumin, ghatti gum, and water), compared to native curcumin, was 27-fold increased (Table 5[39]. Thus, our micellar delivery system, which enhanced curcumin bioavailability 185-fold (all subjects), appears to be superior to all hitherto tested formulations, while our micronisate (ninefold increase in AUC) is similarly effective as previously reported strategies (Table 5). Furthermore, the Cmax achieved with a single oral dose of 410 mg curcumin from our micellar formulation (women, 3.7 ?mol/L; men 2.6 ?mol/L) are higher than those observed after the intake of 8 g of native curcumin [31].

The present study revealed sex differences with respect to the plasma AUC of curcumin. Women absorbed curcumin to a larger extent (higher Cmax and AUC) than men (Table 2). This could be due to the reportedly higher expression and activity of the hepatic drug efflux transporter P-glycoprotein (MDR1) and some isoforms of the glucuronosyltransferases and sulfotransferases, enzymes involved in curcumin biotransformation, in men [47]. However, the differences in bodyweight (Table 1), blood volume, and body fat, which ultimately lead to smaller volumes of distribution in women, may also account for the observed differences [47].

Less than 0.2% of the oral dose of curcumin was excreted with urine within 24 h. Thus, >98.8% of the ingested curcumin was either excreted via the bile and feces or may have been distributed to body tissues where it may potentially exert biological activities.

Free curcumin concentrations as low as 100 nmol/L reversed disease state and reduced IL-1? in Alzheimer's disease models [48, 49], therefore our newly developed curcumin formulations may be suitable vehicles for the delivery of pharmacologically relevant doses of the phytochemical in human intervention trials."


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#24 Arjuna

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 10:32 PM

Has anyone noticed a tolerance or withdrawal (in mood) after ending Curcumin?







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