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[JMorgan]

Right now I'm sitting here eating Double Stuff Oreos. After eating 5, I see the serving size is TWO cookies, and that there's about 6 grams of fat in each serving! [:o]

Any of you find it hard to not eat crap? I snack alot throughout the day and it's quite clear I need some alternatives to cookies, chips, candy, ice cream and all this other crap I eat regularly.

I'd appreciate any suggestions for what to eat when I tend to get hungry every two or three hours. [wis]

[emerson]

I know this is going to sound horrible, and honestly it'll probaly taste that way as well if you eat any junk food. I've found that once I became unacustomed to super concentrated sugar I started being more able to appreciate the flavour of other foods. Here's some of the things I snack on.

Green tea: For some reason or other I find it somewhat filling. Addtionally, it's healthy as all get-go.

Broccoli: Healthy, fairly filling, and pretty low in calories.

Shitakee mushrooms: I love them, everyone else runs in terror at the smell when I break them out for a snack.

Shake/Smoothie: More of a meal replacement than a snack, but eh, I admit I use it as such every now and again. 1 cup of milk, 1 orange, 1 bannana, 1 tablespoon wheat germ, 1 tablespoon brewers yeast, 1 container of low-fat yogurt, thrown in a blender for about 20 seconds. 1/2 to one cup is fairly filling.

[rahein]

Oreos are my weakness. I never buy them because if I do I will eat them to quickly. I enjoy low fat Triscuts and roasted salted soy nuts for snacks. Bananas are a great snack also.

[jaydfox]

Oreos are my weakness. I never buy them because if I do I will eat them to quickly.

Ditto. I typically will eat a third to half a package at once, the old fashioned way: dip them in milk, preferably whole milk (if you're eating oreos, skim vs. whole milk is like whether to wear cotton or leather in a grenade fight. Sure, it'll probably make a difference, but not getting into a grenade fight in the first place is probably the smarter decision).

Actually, original Oreos were probably designed to maximize the specific health consequence density, without using toxic chemicals like mercury, etc. In addition to being refined sugar and fat, they also had an obscene amount of trans fat in them. They wouldn't show it on the labels, but I was lucky enough to come across a package that gave detailed fat listings. For two cookies, it was something like 7.5g total, 2.5g saturated, 1.5g poly, 1g mono. Do the math, and 2.5 grams is missing. My bet is that's trans fat. Or, about 1g per cookie.

1g doesn't sound like a lot, but I read a study somewhere that 2% of calories on a daily basis from trans-fat can increase diabetes risk 39%. 2% of 2500 calories works out to 50 calories, or 5.5 grams roughly, so each gram per day is presumably increasing risk of diabetes by about 7%-8%. Doesn't sound too bad, except that that's just the trans-fat. Throw in the refined high GI carbs, and eating one Oreo a day, in place of a similar number of calories from, well, probably just about anything else, will significantly increase your risk of diabetes. Go through a package of Oreos a week, and you might actually be able to chart your decline to diabetes in a few years.

Anyway, I'm still a sucker for Oreos, but I've since switched to the reduced fat ones ("0g" trans-fat, but that just means 0.499g or less per serving probably). Ironically, I like them better than regular Oreos: they're denser, if that makes sense. More like cookies, less like wafers. They taste a little difference, but I like it. So I can have my cookie and eat it too.

[123456]

Oreos are tasty.

[wraith]

Raw nuts and seeds. I eat a ton and it doesn't seem to cause any weight gain. (I don't count calories, I just stay a little lower than the listed 'ideal' weight for my height). Almonds, walnuts, sunflower, pumpkin. Like the commercial says, ever seen a fat squirrel?

Small amounts of Dagoba 'New Moon' chocolate.

[Infernity]

Hey Joel, I can tell you, every beginning is hard.

Listen, I can tell you, when I saw ImmInst and started really take life extension seriously due my knowledge immortality is very reachable- I decided of course to not snack up sweets.

I can tell you- once you don't eat it for a weak- you don't need it anymore.

I now don't really like chocolate.
I can look at it and just not want it. As before- I couldn't know there's a chocolate in the house without eating it.

After a while of avoiding eating sweets, you'll see you don't want it.

That's your mindfield. When you need something sweet - eat a fruit.

When you just wanna eat something- remember you maybe wanna drink- LOTS OF PEOPLE WITH TIME FORGOT HOW TO RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENSES! really! lots of people are suffering from misunderstanding, and when they are thirsty- they grab some food- because they are misled, and most find eating more satisfying than drinking...

However, you can also go exercise more, something which will burn a lot of calories, maybe running or swimming.
Once you do that- it is not easy to let all this work go for nothing with a candy.
It's like money- when you get money- you don't have much problem to waste it- because it wasn't hard to get it. When you work hard for the money- you'll think twice before spending it- because you sweat for it.
So is here.

Burn calories instead of adding them.

And avoid sugar- I am sure you won't lack of it, as too much is not hard to get.

Think of it like coke as I suppose (and really hope!!) you don't drink - - tasty, but deadly as toxic. Think of sugar as a drug that playing with your mind and makes you think it is good.

Soon, you will just hate it and won't need it, it worked to me.

Good luck

Yours truthfully
~Infernity

[DJS]

emerson

Here's some of the things I snack on.

Broccoli: Healthy, fairly filling, and pretty low in calories.

ROFLMAO! And if you really want to be bad, you can cheat and have some brussel sprouts too! [lol]

I never really had the itch for oreos, but keep me away from the reeses pieces.

Joel, some of the things I would recommend is switching over to Splenda, drinking lots of water, taking a multivitamin, and if you are going to consume sugar, make it natural - go get a blender and start making smoothies. They're addictive.

[All easy stuff to do that requires very little will power.]

[REGIMEN]

Here're some of my favorites:

Terra Chips; sweet potato, red potato with olive oil/spices: kinda expensive but really tasty and no chemicals

Nori: yep, tear through a couple of sheets of dry sushi seaweed and you've got something that seems to quell salt/crunch cravings; you can find 100-sheet packs at some asian food stores for about $10

Microwaved banana mashed with a spoon of peanut butter: soooo delicious and filling...eat it while it's hot and gooey or else it turn to the consistency of post-ripe/starchy banana...45-60 seconds does the banana good...<30sec. and you have a soft.hot centered banana that's nicely enjoyed in slices cut with the side of your fork and dabbed in the peanut butter

"Detour" Whey Protein Bars: Like a frickin' Snickrrs bar...what more could you want?! Only 4g of sugar with 50% of your daily protein in the large size bar...try the peanut butter version too(chunky peanut type is like Snickrrs)

Bag of baby spinach: replace bag of chips with this...all the same repetitive motions with twice the fiber...or would that be an extra motion?

Protein smoothies: get your whey and casein protein powder and just add to it in a blender...I find a certain increased level of "automatic" thinking when taking this regularly...less hesitation and more "forward!"... try liquid lecithin, banana, nuts, milk(Lactaid or soy for me), vegetable juice, fruit, and one thing that works great...fresh parsley(it blends down, you don't taste it, and then it goes to work as a vegetable and as an internal breathmint~)

Tea: green, white, oolong, dragon well, darjeeling,etc....it's like the world of wine for non-alcohol drinking smarty pants ...but please, just nothing cheap..you owe it to yourself to not choke down Liptun/grocerystore muck...plenty of very affordable "daily" teas online

Fruit: get those expensive berries, dammit! blueberries are coming in season soon...although the issue of seasonality didn't stop the biggest most luscious blueberries from being produced in my friends kitchen from a trip to Costko this past January. Melons, plums, nectarines, etc. just learn how to pick em ripe and you'll be saving yourself from clogging your plophole with transfats.

[Trias]

Hey there,

As a specialist in Performance Nutrition, I can guarantee you that a little snack now and then won't kill you. If you do lots of aerobic/ anaerobic workouts - - in the end, sugar levels at blood are quite low; thus, sugar (or if you'd like; high glycemic index carbohydrates) after workouts will supply the body with immediate energy and help ensuring the recharge of glycogen (energy stored in muscles).
Low fat snacks will be preferable, naturally (post workout).

If you have a deep craving for snancks; make sure to consume them at least in the morning, when your metabolism is at its peak.
drink lots of water between meals + make sure your meals are rich in dietary fiber, as it shall encourage a sense of fullness.

Either way, there are many "healthier" substitutes for common candies; I, for example, eat LOADS of icecream. But the Icecream I eat has an amazing amount of merely 66 kcal. per 100grams! Its 0.5% fat, no sugar added (sweetened with SPLENDA) and most important - IT TASTES GREAT! If Israel has this sort of ice-cream, all the more US has it.

Use your brain,
No more no less...
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g' luck,
-Daniel S.

[JMorgan]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one here who has an Oreo weakness. Of course, I really don't need the Double Stuff ones. [lol] I'll try the reduced fat oreos next time.

Haha, Don, I'm not big on the brussel sprouts either. I do like brocolli, but I tend to like it cooked, so that's more of a meal rather than something throughout the day. And Liplex, more fiber is always good. I like having good, um..... motions.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I like sunflower seeds and nuts. I also love Triscuits. I have tried fruits and vegetables, but out of sure laziness of going to the store, it's the stuff that stays preserved for months that's still left on the shelves after a week. (So I go through the bag of baby carrots and apples, but then I'm back to chips, cookies and ice cream.) A few of you mentioned smoothies/shakes. So I'll try that also.

Now, TEA... Tea is a big thing! Kurzweil recommends drinking lots of green tea. I personally can't stand the crap. To me, it tastes horrible. But I might be able to drink it if I load it with sugar though. [wis] (Infernity, have you ever tried Beduin tea? That is the most amazing tea I've ever tasted. Very sweet. I could drink that all day long.)

I try to exercise, but I think with my metabolism and laziness, I'd be better off eating right in the first place. I'm 5'10" and only 160 pounds, so I'm not worried about calories, really. I'm only worried about what sugar can do in the long run, insulin, diabetes, etc. (Sorry Infernity, don't know metric system.)

Daniel, when I'm working, I'm up like a normal person. But when I'm not working I lapse into nocturnal mode, so I'm not sure when "morning" is for metabolism purposes. Is that whenever I wake up?

[Infernity]

(Infernity, have you ever tried Bedouins tea? That is the most amazing tea I've ever tasted. Very sweet. I could drink that all day long.)

Yes I did. I used to love it, when I was younger and did not care about my eating habits.
I had the opportunity to drink it again few days ago in a Harley Davidson event, where they slept in a Bedouins tent on the way. But I took the coffee. Gee really hard to get used to that.

(Sorry Infernity, don't know metric system.)

That's OK -
5.10 foot = 1.554 meter [>] [lol] I'm higher than you! I am 1.58 meter (5.184 foot)
160 pounds = 72.575 kilogram


Joel, when you wake up- you didn't eat for few hours. I think that's be ok.
However, I'd say try to avoid it as much as you can for a month- I mean just be strong... what if I'll tell you - if you eat sweets in the close month I'll leave the forums? mmm?
However, after that, with the will to remain clean of crap- your body just won't ask for it.

Yours truthfully
~Infernity

[Infernity]

Oh and Joel, about drinking tea and coffee and sugared stuff habits- try to degrees sugar up to all of it out! you'll get used to it and won't be able to drink a coffee with sugar.

Everytime put less.

And don't drink stuff like coke.


And Daniel,
Hehe, I personally won't let myself eat that ice-cream [tung] don't bother offering.

Yours truthfully
~Infernity

[JMorgan]

5.10 foot = 1.554 meter [>] [lol] I'm higher than you! I am 1.58 meter (5.184 foot)
160 pounds = 72.575 kilogram

Haha. Sorry to say 5'10" is 5 feet, 10 inches. There are 12 inches in 1 foot. So, I think I'm about 5.83 feet, or 1.78 meters. It's hard because all the conversion calculators online use decimal places instead of inches.

The metric system makes sooo much sense. Everything is divisible by 10.

Americans are so funny. 12 inches in a foot. 3 feet in a yard. 5280 feet in 1 mile. Haha, and don't even bother trying to figure out ounces, pints or gallons.... [huh] When I was in Israel, I tried to figure out how much a gallon of gas costs. Haha, but you use liters and shekels! I think it comes out to around $4 per gallon, but I'm not sure.

[JMorgan]

You're right, Adi. I stopped drinking soda last year and since then I drink mostly water.

Ice cream with splenda? [thumb] Does it taste the same? Is Splenda sugar that has been altered so it doesn't get digested?

[Infernity]

1 gallon = 3.78 liters
1 Dollar NOW = 4.35 NIS NOW

Oh oops then you are 1.778 meter (5.833 foot).
These Americans are weired [lol] heh.

You're right, Adi. I stopped drinking soda last year and since then I drink mostly water.

[thumb] Great Joel, keep up the good work.

Yours truthfully
~Infernity

[REGIMEN]

There are green teas that are just powder form(matcha) but those can be tricky/expensive. They have a "quick" matcha, just stir and drink, no difficult steeping process, too. Also powdered gyokuro and sencha. Go here:

http://www.o-cha.com

They have "top 10 tips" on why your brewed green tea didn't turn out right, too. Check those out, Malchiah, and see if you weren't victim to one of those.

Starbukks has a "No Sugar Added" ice cream...I only saw one flavor of it in their line of ice creams...it was exceptionally good...it was some coffe flavor with brownie bits....the bits could really have been left out as they just taste stale, but there's weren't too many so it was worth the $6. Splenda was the added sweetener I believe.

[signifier]

Raisins and peanuts. And grapes, yum.

[armrha]

Ice cream with splenda?  [thumb]  Does it taste the same?  Is Splenda sugar that has been altered so it doesn't get digested?

Splenda is interesting. I cannot taste the difference between splenda and sugar. I think bitter tasters can, though... some percentage of people I know think splenda tastes downright horrible. Splenda is 'sucralose'. It's sugar molecules that have been treated with chlorine.

[jaydfox]

Splenda is interesting. I cannot taste the difference between splenda and sugar. I think bitter tasters can, though... some percentage of people I know think splenda tastes downright horrible. Splenda is 'sucralose'. It's sugar molecules that have been treated with chlorine.

Yeah, Splenda is a weird one. Actually, I prefer it to Nutrasweet (aspartame). To me, Nutrasweet is a little... bitter? I don't know how to describe it, but I don't like it. I can tell the difference between sugar and splenda, but while Splenda tastes different from sugar, it doesn't taste better or worse. So I much prefer Splenda as an artificial sweetener. It's particularly good in "creamy" sweets, such as vanilla and chocolate flavored treats (ice cream, etc.).

[alexoverhere]

Snacks: freeze-dried green beans, cauliflower, broccoli -- yummy and crunchy. I also snack on spinach/seaweed wraps, although those take a little prep time. A cup of blueberries isn't bad too..

As far as ice cream, try peeling then freezing bananas, and then food processing them with stevia (or splenda) and a dash of salt, and optionally adding peanut butter or raw nuts. It tastes sooooooo good.

[DukeNukem]

Boy, I can't believe people here would like Oreo's. Total, over-processed, non-tasty crap! ;-)

My weakness is high-quality desserts, made fresh, like a carrot cake, or key lime pie, or tres leches. I eat out almost every night for dinner at a good quality restaurant, and 50% of the time order dessert, but only ever have 2-3 bites.

I really don't have any other weaknesses, like sodas, candy bars, cookies, whatever. It's hard for me tho have a weakness for something like an Oreo that isn't made fresh, and is filled with who knows how many unnatural chemicals.

I'm I the only one here who's read:

o Fast Food Nation
o Don't Eat This Book
o Fat Land
o Food Fight
o The Politics of Food

These books reveal the truth behind the sorriness of processed foods and the amazing number of unnatural chemicals they use. For example, when you see "natural flavorings" or "artificial flavors" in the ingredients list, those bucket terms might be hiding literally 100 vat made chemicals from factories in New Jersey. Yummy.

[mnosal]

I agree with Duke on this one. I visited a chemical additive plant in North Jersey with two colleagues who work for Dupont. They placed a blind fold on me and set a petri dish with roughly .00001ml of "Hamburger w-304" in front of me and I swear I could feel my mouth water and was astounded when I realized there was nothing there but lab glass and "magic.

God only knows what the shit they're feeding us really tastes like.

[DukeNukem]

Yeah, the Mac Shack is notorious for it's use of artificial flavorings, because their food is so highly processed that the flavor has been leeched out. But hey, nothing a few dozen chemical additives can't fix! When you eat a fast food burger, the flavor is scientifically formulated, and has little to do with the original cow. (Or, more accurately, cows, as each patty is a homogenized blend from 100's of cows, designed to even out subtle taste differences, later reformed into patty thingies. And you don't even want to know about Chicken McNuggets, which at one point is like a toothpaste before being shaped into one of four nugget shapes designed to look something like a natural chicken part.)

Most processed food is equally engineered, and then injected with corn syrup, cheap gluten or soy protein, heat processed vegetable oils and trans fats, preservatives, and a long list of flavoring chemicals. It's no wonder half of America is fat -- it's almost impossible to avoid given the food choices in grocery stores and fast food restaurants. We're all being fattened up so that the pharmaceutical industry can later clean up on their long list "cure-all" of medications.

[DJS]

those bucket terms might be hiding literally 100 vat made chemicals from factories in New Jersey. Yummy.

Yep, they make Nabiscos right next to the tire factory here in my back yard, right off of the Turnpike!

Home sweet home, New Jersey, the arm pit of America. [lol]
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But seriously, I was curious to see what someone like Duke would eat if he was being "bad". Somehow I thought it would be low fat tofu burger, but I was pleasantly surprised. He's not a machine.

[quadclops]

I love these things, mmmmm, chocolate peanut crunch! I could eat a million of them! [thumb]
They have only three grams of carbs, they're loaded with nutrition, and they're delicious!



Here's where to get some!

[DJS]

By the way, before anyone takes it in the wrong way, my comments were meant in a completely light hearted manner.

My goal is to attain a life style where I can honestly say that I'm giving myself the best possible chance of reaching the first ENS treatments. Three years ago I was living on pizza and coke, now I have a balanced diet, multi vitamin, virtually no sugars...

But its hard though. Especially on a budget. One of the things that I'd be really interested in seeing is a life style program put together by some of our nutrition people for people on a budgets. Say, around a $120/ wk. How healthy could I be if that's my budget per week for food, supps, etc?

[quadclops]

You're right Don, it is really hard eating healthy, consistantly on a nickel & dime budget.
It's really difficult to afford the quality and variety of foods necessary for maximum nutrition and weight loss, or weight maintainance, especially since most of the "diet" or "health" foods are so expensive!

A low budget health diet is a good idea. Maybe we could research such a thing?

[eternaltraveler]

These books reveal the truth behind the sorriness of processed foods and the amazing number of unnatural chemicals they use. For example, when you see "natural flavorings" or "artificial flavors" in the ingredients list, those bucket terms might be hiding literally 100 vat made chemicals from factories in New Jersey. Yummy.

I made orange flavoring in lab today. Octyl alcohol, acetic anhydride, and concentrated H2SO4. Yum! )

[eternaltraveler]

But its hard though. Especially on a budget. One of the things that I'd be really interested in seeing is a life style program put together by some of our nutrition people for people on a budgets. Say, around a $120/ wk. How healthy could I be if that's my budget per week for food, supps, etc?

That isn't the hard part. The hard part is doing that and still having time to do anything else. If you're willing to cook all day you wouldn't have a problem.

There are next to no budget options for eating healthy and not making it yourself.