For healthy emotional responses high-quality St. John's Wort (Kira, Perika) should work. Rhodiola is good to get things going and goes fine with SJW. You may want to lower your taurine dosage as it's NMDA-antagonist and GABAA-agonist and thus dulling and makes those issues worse. Why are you supplementing it?
how much rhodiola should i use? i had a bottle a while ago i took 650mg and felt nothing, should i take more?
i take taurine for workout because it increases vo2max, i was already braindead before stacking taurine, i started having a consistent stack 2 months ago and here it is :
- 5 grams creatine
- 3 grams taurine
- 10 grams fish oil
- caffeine anhydrous
- hydroxycut
- no xplode 2
- ultra strenght mulvitamin
this was just a workout stack and it did nothing to my braindeadness, i kept being braindead and lazy.
i withdrew this stack some days ago to take sunifiram safely, it did nothing special, i don't take coffee anymore and even coffee doesn't do anything special it just prevents me from yawning a bit too much.
At 650mg Rhodiola should be working unless it's bad quality extract, but you may just not respond to it. At higher doses it actually loses its stimulative quality. Eleuthero ("Siberian Ginseng") is another activating adaptogen with different mechanism and could be worth a try. St. John's should definitely help with the zombieness and blunted emotions. Catuaba also comes to mind as therapeutic agent: http://www.longecity...py-does-it-you/
or Mucuna to boost dopamine (and testosterone)
woops not 650mg but 800mg with 81% rhodiola rosea inside. i felt like it was sugar and placebo it did truly nothing.
i don't know if a stimulant is good for me? maybe for sleeping too much but won't this increase social awkwardness and anxiety?
i already took ginseng also but it was a long time ago, panax ginseng if i remember well it didn't do anything very special, it's not like i could feel something actually.
i will look into st john worts and catuaba but for mucuna i'm quite worried couldn't this cause dopamine tolerance on long term? i'm also concerned that boosting l dopa can actually destroy my dopamine neurons, i guess i don't already have a lot of these neurons i wouldn't like to destroy more of them.
i will definetely look into these two others thanks for the suggestion
Selegiline could actually be excellent if you can get your hands on it. It would help with a lot of your issues.
right i've heard about this one, so i guess my problem could be very high MAO activity? i like the idea of selegiline and will ask my doc about it but what can cause high MAO activity? i don't want to live perpetually on medication if i could naturally reduce MAO it would be kinda great, is this genetic or due to my way of life? i couldn't find much information on the cause of high MAO
I think I can sympathize. This sounds sorta similar to myself a little over a year ago (as exemplified by my username).
The first thing you need to do, IMHO is to remove stress. Are you stressed? If you are, then try to get it out of the way, reduce it as much as you can.
Also, I see that you mentioned alphamale. Get off of 4chan or wherever you are hearing that crap. It will not do you any good, trust me. Just let go of it, it is all BS. Hanging around in depressing places makes you depressed. Trust me, you have to get away from that mentality, it is toxic.
As far as noots go,
1.Multivitamin
2.Piracetam/oxiracetam
3.Maybe Grape Seed Extract
4.Fish oil
I think that the racetams have a very unique ability to lift that zombie sort of depression. I have other problems that were underlying that depression, and they caused the stress/isolation that produced it.
It is kinda a catch, the depression (at least in my case) was caused by the isolation and poor working ability due to social anxiety and poor management, but that feeling itself only perpetuates the other bad problems. You really need to get rid of the zombie feeling in order to be able to improve the underlying problems.
The piracetam kinda builds over a few months, and you should feel like you have a lot more energy after a month or two of taking it. Also, in my personal experience, if you take a break after about 6 months and then restart it, you get strong effects. Pi/oxi also REALLY helped my memory.
I don't want to encourage you to try anything dangerous, but look into ADHD-PI. Especially the asociality and amotivation sound like some sort of dopamine regulation problem. Fix the depression first, though, because the depression obfuscates the problems. I would recommend staying away from SSRIs as anti-depressants unless it is the absolute last choice.
I hope you get feeling better soon, that is a terrible way to feel.
well whatever we could say alpha male is a true concept isn't it? in this world there are leaders and followers, i think being blind about this is not a good idea. some peopel naturally create leadership while others follow like me like a zombie.
alpha male is associated with more risk and it doesn't bother me to take more risks if life could be more enjoyable, it's true that i hate taking risks and i'm very anxious in tense situations that could degenerate any time...
but you got a good point about ADHD PI, I checked the symptoms and it's perfectly what I am, why the hell wasn't I diagnosed before?
- Often does not give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, work, or other activities. TRUE
- Often has trouble keeping attention on tasks or play activities TRUE
- Often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly. TRUE
- Often does not follow instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace (not due to oppositional behavior or failure to understand instructions). TRUE
- Often has trouble organizing activities. TRUE
- Often avoids, dislikes, or doesn't want to do things that take a lot of mental effort for a long period (such as schoolwork or homework). TRUE
- Often loses things needed for tasks and activities (e.g. toys, school assignments, pencils, books, or tools). FALSE
- Is often easily distracted. TRUE
- Is often forgetful in daily activities TRUE
wikipedia tells me to take some medication but it's only short term (6 weeks), so that's not good! also prozac i already experienced it so i will rather avoid it...
but it's true i do have a problem of not enough dopamine, it's truly an hassle, i already experienced a SSRI (prozac) and it was hell, i was even more zombified, staying in bed all day, having a hard time doing chores and even making some food!! hopefully it went into remission after withdrawing...
piracetam and oxi as i said makes my memory worse and i become even more stressed, what could grape seed oil do? i feel exactly the same way as you, is that the only stack that helped you to get out?
Have you checked thyroid?
nope but i checked TSH it is at 2.20 (range 0.5-5.5) so i guess it seems okay?
This is text book major depressive disorder. I agree, its unlikley to be a Testoterone or thyoid disorder although a standard blood pannal should be drawn including thyoid function tests.
Omega 3 (1-2 grams), B vits and a multi vitamin.
Start with an SSRI (sertraline would be my suggestion). Then follow Texas treatment resistant depression algorithum, if you are a patial or total non-responder.
Along side that, you need to maintain good sleep hygine (bright light therapy could be useful for your hypersomnia (sleeping to much)), online or in a book CBT, practice behavioual activation and take it slow. You should expect to see improvements within a few weeks and remission hopefully within 3-6 months, although since you have chronic depression it may be harder to treat.
You may find daily incoperation of mindfulness practice (well evidence based for chronic depression) to be very effective.
Behavioural activation will include fairly regular exersice, you can start real slow and work your way up & expect a few hiccups, slowly increasing your social activities, finding something to fill your day with where possible.
Can I ask you a few questions?
Do you have a heavy feeling in your head and/or limbs?
Can you list all the psychiatric medications/supplements you have tried in the past? giving an idea of how effective you found each would be helpful if you can remember.
Have you had anything YOU would describe as traumatic happen to you?
Has anyone ever complained or mention that you snore a lot/loudly or move around a lot?
Do you have food cravings - if so what for? Would you describe yourself as over or underweight? How would you describe you appetite?
Are you/have you been experiencing hallucinations or seeing/hearing things that aren't there or that nobody else thinks are there?
Have you been told you have any weird beliefs that nobody else seems to agree with?
Have you ever had any medical (including neurological/psychiatric) diagnosies? What about close family?
i will try doing that, exercise would be okay to do everyday but engage in social activites? it's like asking me to get to the moon, i feel unable to talk, i am slow when talking and boring to death hence no one wants to talk to me.
Do you have a heavy feeling in your head and/or limbs? Nope
Can you list all the psychiatric medications/supplements you have tried in the past? giving an idea of how effective you found each would be helpful if you can remember.
- xanax : didn't work make me feel like a zombie all the day, it removed the anxiety but made me worse
- prozac : i was a total zombie with it and unable to do anything, even worse than xanax
- multivitamins, fish oil, hydroxycut, no xplode 2, BCAA : all these didn't do anything to me
- inositol : made me extremely anxious, stressed and shaking everywhere, NEVER AGAIN
- caffeine : doesn't do anything except from making me yawn less
- ginkgo biloba : nothing
- rhodiola : nothing
- choline : it makes me even more zombie
- tyrosine : nothing at all
- ginseng : nothing
- sunifiram : made me a bit better but i'm scaredof the first experience i had and i'm reluctant to try it again
Have you had anything YOU would describe as traumatic happen to you? not really, but in school when i was a kid i was overweight (more than today) and was bullied by some other kids but i still had a social life and had friends
Has anyone ever complained or mention that you snore a lot/loudly or move around a lot? i do snore loudly in the night indeed
Do you have food cravings - if so what for? Would you describe yourself as over or underweight? How would you describe you appetite? not really but i always used to make food in the morning midday then in the evening like a ritual you know even if i wasn't hungry, when i was a kid i was eating a lot of sugar, candies and food during the day additionally to normal meals, now i don't do that anymore.
i consider myself overweight, am looking forward to lose weight.
Are you/have you been experiencing hallucinations or seeing/hearing things that aren't there or that nobody else thinks are there? never or extremely rare like 1 or 2 times in a whole year, sometimes i would hear my name out of nowhere but there was no one calling me, that's the only thing, i also had exploding head syndrome but it's very rare too
Have you been told you have any weird beliefs that nobody else seems to agree with? yes many times yes, people think i'm weird and awkward, i even got to believe to all these conspiracy theories you know about nwo and all that thing, it really ruined me and made me extremely paranoid, now i don't beleive in that anymore hopefully but my beliefs are still kinda weird
Have you ever had any medical (including neurological/psychiatric) diagnosies? What about close family? no never, my family is alright, i'm the only weird one in the family in fact. one of my grandmother died of neurodegenerative disease some time ago but the other is alive and fine.
10 grams of fish oil is alot! That's actually way to much I think, you can definitely over saturate. Stop using white sugar, get rid of caffeine and drink lots of water. Cut back on your diet, don't eat as much. Eating too much over saturates your blood stream and compromises your bodies ability to absorb necessary things, so even though your eating more, you're actually starving or at least malnourished. Intermittent fasting is also good. Do this until your body acclimates and you have no tension resulting from the dietary changes before taking anything else. I'd also cut out the sunifaram until you've gone through this. Then add one thing at a time and try different combinations.
Psychomotor slowing, memory impairment, lack of motivation, anhedonia, flat affect, hypersomnia, fatigue, social withdrawal... sounds like clinical depression. Do you know much about that?
Or low T.
alright i will remove the fish oil as well.
i don't use white sugar anymore, i always use stevia, is that one bad too? i heard it's better.
so i should eat less? i eat quite a lot indeed though i'm not very overweight, i weigh 190 pounds.
i eat like the average fellow you know, so i don't get why other people feel fine with this kind of diet and i don't.
how much kilocalories should one consume? the rda says 3000kcal but maybe it's too much?
i don't do intermittent fasting however i eat in the morning (7:00AM) then at 12:00PM and then i don't eat until tomorrow (meanwhile i might eat a fruit or one yogurt and maybe a sugar free cup of tea but that's all).
does eating too much really make you braindead? because i see some fat dudes eating all the time and they perform better than me so i wonder.
my testosterone levels were at 3.5 (range 2.7-9.0), is that very low?
i know that testosterone increase hair fall and when i was a teen i remember how my hair was falling a lot and i had a lot of dandruff, maybe i had high testosterone and now it is very low, how come?
what should i take to have higher test but natural stuff if possible unless you got something that is safe and doesn't require prescription.
Just remove the fish oil for a while, not entirely. T and eating can be related. You're on the low end of the "acceptable" scale where all of the "obese" people are. I challenge the metric used on the scale. Only the healthiest people should be used to determine the measure, not the ones who always have to watch what they eat etc... I have a sublingual spray that has Testosterone in it, my psychomotor skills become what I would consider acceptable when I take it and I have alot more energy, but it also has alot of other things in it too. DHEA also improves my psychomotor skills too. I'm very discoordinated w/o it. I imagine transdermal T would be great for you. Hair falling out has more to do with metabolizing T, than T itself, if you aren't metabolizing it correctly still, different problem. Biotin can help with that. In any case, I would aim for 7-9 on the T scale. Fat dudes performing better might be from them working out regularly and being in transition. History also has alot to do with it. If the fat dude was muscular until he got his first real post college office job and was an athlete or just healthy prior to that, he's always going to be healthier and have better performance than someone who was fat as a kid as all of the young growth sort of cements in those health phenotypes/expressions. Being fat as a kid damages or puts more wear on the body much faster than being fat as an adult. Were you always overweight in terms of your ideal weight or just not active? How long would you say you've had some of these feelings? Sometimes you have them for longer than you realize, so you really need to figure that out too. There are alot of social "solutions" that people give you that compensate for stuff like that and prevent one from figuring out their health. Things they say when you're feeling down to cheer you up when your problems might best be solved with hormones.
1800-2000 Calories depending on height for most people who aren't body builders or pro sportspeople IIRC. There are calculators for that kind of thing out there that can probably give you a more accurate figure. If it's something like 3000 Calories though it's wrong, that's what teenagers should be eating.
i read a paper right now saying obesity is linked to low testosterone, i calculated my BMI and it says severe obesity (it's 31), mmmh i don't consider myself obese, overweight yes but i'm not a huge load of flab, i certainly need to lose weight.
so losing weight would bring back my T levels to normal ones? sounds great to me, maybe sublingual T could be good stuff but i'm not looking forward to live eternall with meds.
where did you buy that T? i will look into biotin too.
yes i was always overweight, i was weighing 170 pounds when i was 8! vs 190 pounds today, can you imagine? i kept gaining weight until a peak 220 pounds when i was 15 then i lost radically weight when i was 15 down to 165 pounds and slowly gained more weight over 8 years.
i could use hormones temporarily but honestly i don't want to live the rest of my life on medication, i will definitely lose weight if that's the problem. i don't want to cover problems but chase them down through their root cause.
