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[Ch!ggy]

The combination below is working very well, however I would really appreciate critique as there may be improvements I can make and interactions I am unaware of, there may also be nutrients lacking that I should add. Also I don't want to negate the benefit of the Telomerase supplements by taking something that will have the opposite effect. I know resveratrol can do this so I take it at the opposite end of the day and not a high dose.

I'm currently not taking a multivitamin due to reacting badly to B vitamins all my life, I am thinking about making a custom vitamin online without the B's and other useful additives to reduce my daily pill quantity. I am prone to anxiety and mild depression and react like this to most things I have food/drug intolerances for. I also react badly to Choline supplements and so do not take many nootropics.

My supplement aim is for life extension, improved immune function, physical performance, mental performance and muscle gain at the gym currently. My diet is clean and I only eat whole foods which are nutrient dense.


Daily supplements:

Methyline Blue 50mcg x 2
Fish Oil 5ml x 1
PQQ 10mg x 1
Ubiquinol 50mg x 1
Curcumin 1g x 3
Holy Basil 500mg x 2
Reishi 1g x 2 (50% polysacherides)
Vitamin C 500mg (Swanson C - Complex)
IP6 500mg x 3
Metformin 400mg x 2
NAG 750mg x 2
Alpha Lipoic Acid 300mg x 3
ALCAR 750mg x 2
Chromium Picolinate 200mcg
Selenium 100mcg
Kelp 400mg x 3
AAKG 750mg x 1
Sulfloraphane 2000mcg
BCAA's 3g x 3
Aged Garlic Extract 600mcg x 1
Trans-resveratrol 125mg x 1 (Morning)
Tribulus 400mg x 2

Anxiety and Mood

Niacinamide 1g Timed Release x 2 (1 Morning and 1 Evening)
Niacinamide 1g x 1 (Lunch time)
L-Tryptophan 1g x 3
St Johns Wort 455mg x 2 (Kira)

Intestinal Health:

Now Digestive Enzymes x 2
Aloe Vera Gells x 3 (Now)
Meverberine 135mg x 2
Ginger Root Extract 500mg x 3
Acidiophilus 3 Billion x 2

Bedtime:

L-Tryptophan 2g
Astrogaloside 50mg
Cycloastragenol 10mg
Glutamine 20g
Creatine 5g
Melatonin 10mg
Grape Seed Extract 300mg


Tea Made of:

Astralgus Root 2g
Ashwagadha 1g

Currently experimenting with (but think they are likely of no use for possible body composition improvements) :

Beta Ecdysterone 1g x 2
7-Methoxy-5-isoflavone 1g x 2

And the below which I hope will have good effects:

C60/Olive Oil Cycling 2 weeks on/2 weeks off at 4mg/Day
55g of tomato puree and 10g of olive oil/Day

Thanks,

Chiggy

[maik2013]

Good plan, too high doses for me. Maybe you could use SAM-E instead of all the mood supplements.

[Ch!ggy]

Thanks, I tried SAM-E but did not have much success with it. Which of the doses do you concider high ? The L-tryptophan ?

[Ch!ggy]

Forgot to mention, I am a 36 year old male in good health who trains 5 days a week for 2 split sessions of 45 minutes per day.

I also drink 3 cups of decaf instant coffee, and lots of decaf Green tea and black teas.

Please critique all you want ! .I am keen to improve things as much as possible.

Edited by Ch!ggy, 06 May 2013 - 05:43 PM.

[sthira]

Please critique all you want ! .I am keen to improve things as much as possible.

Critique? Ok. Get your nutrition from your diet. I'm not sure there's even one supplement that has not been clearly proven to be counter productive in people who don't have a frank deficiency. Even vitamin D can be overdone. As a recent study indicated, D levels higher than 36 ng/ml may be deleterious. It seems to me that the supplements you're consuming are at best useless, and may even be harmful.

Critique my critique. Or am I ranting?

All that money you're spending on all those speculative substances makes me kind of sad. Take the hard-earned money and use it instead to buy more fruits and vegetables that are proven sources of good health. Or take the money and donate to help support the organizations struggling to fund longevity science.

[Ch!ggy]

All the nutrition is from my diet and supplementing with items I don't believe can be achieved in high enough amounts through diet. Lots of fruits and vegetables daily with high nutrient content, around 1/2 pound of broccoli per day (increasing to 1 pound/day over time), blueberries, white meat, Dark chocolate, lots of antioxidants.

I make sure that anything I put in my mouth is highly nutritious or it does not go in my mouth, I am not supplementing with a multivitamin at the moment partly for this reason also. I watch my vitamin D levels. I am certainly not making up for any sub-par diet with lots of supplements.

I follow limited windows of eating each day of 6 - 8 hours and intermittently fast at least 2 times per week.

Thanks for your input its much appreciated

Edited by Ch!ggy, 06 May 2013 - 08:49 PM.

[Methos000]

Quite a few of the 'speculative substances' he's taking have science behind them documenting multiple health benefits. IMO, his chances of being alive and in good health when true rejuvenation therapies become available are considerably better using his current plan as opposed to yours. Billions of people throughout history have eaten their fruits and veggies, and they've all gotten sick, declined and died on schedule. Your plan requires 'longevity science' to produce practical, dramatic interventions very, very quickly. I hope it works out that way, but I wouldn't count on it.

Please critique all you want ! .I am keen to improve things as much as possible.

Critique? Ok. Get your nutrition from your diet. I'm not sure there's even one supplement that has not been clearly proven to be counter productive in people who don't have a frank deficiency. Even vitamin D can be overdone. As a recent study indicated, D levels higher than 36 ng/ml may be deleterious. It seems to me that the supplements you're consuming are at best useless, and may even be harmful.

Critique my critique. Or am I ranting?

All that money you're spending on all those speculative substances makes me kind of sad. Take the hard-earned money and use it instead to buy more fruits and vegetables that are proven sources of good health. Or take the money and donate to help support the organizations struggling to fund longevity science.

[sthira]

Quite a few of the 'speculative substances' he's taking have science behind them documenting multiple health benefits. IMO, his chances of being alive and in good health when true rejuvenation therapies become available are considerably better using his current plan as opposed to yours. Billions of people throughout history have eaten their fruits and veggies, and they've all gotten sick, declined and died on schedule. Your plan requires 'longevity science' to produce practical, dramatic interventions very, very quickly. I hope it works out that way, but I wouldn't count on it.

Well, I certainly respect your views and understand the behavior. We're all eager and motivated to live longer, healthier lives. And we want stuff now! Supplements and Drugs! Longevity science! Interventions! Now! I understand that drive, and I'd like these things, too. Who doesn't?! But for me -- behaving as best as I can on a precautionary principle -- it's unrealistic now to conclude based on "the science" that any of these pills work to do much of anything positive, and maybe they're even harmful. No one knows. Placebo is great. The powers of suggestion are very strong, and the human mind and body are incredibly complex. Biology -- if we've studied it much -- teaches us to be very, very humble in the face of seemingly overwhelming chemical complexities.

[Methos000]

Yes, we do want stuff, and we want it now! I respect your cautious approach, but let me ask you this: what sort of evidence would cause you to 'pull the trigger' on the consumption of a nutraceutical? What would the study have to conclude about the substance to convince you to use it? Would it depend on your personal situation? Advancing age?

[maik2013]

I think my dosage criticism is almost as misplaced as sthiras arguments. if you feel well with the plan go on. We should all see the doctor regularly and check the liver or kidneys. I'm very careful about the amounts, i take very low amounts, probably because i think somehow it's unnatural and dangerous to take so many pills, which is against the whole point of this subforum, which i think is exactly the opposite.

Edited by maik2013, 09 May 2013 - 06:06 AM.

[nameless]

Several doses too high, and several things that are a bit iffy to me as far as taking in the first pace. But keep in mind I am somewhat conservative as far as supplements go. I don't think there is enough evidence to support either Telomerase supplements or resveratrol, for instance.

A couple of things that I noticed:

Rather high dose of IP6 there. Make sure to get your ferritin checked regularly.
Selenium + chromium doses appear a bit high ... keep in mind dietary intakes too.
I'm not a big fan of kelp supplements, as contamination may be a concern. If you want iodine, I like a partial dose of Now Foods, Potassium Plus Iodine, instead.
What brand probiotic are you using? If you want something with mixed strains, I like VSL #3 (at a very partial dose).

I didn't see D3 listed. Does your serum levels come back in the normal range? Do you get K2 from diet? And make sure you are using a high polyphenol olive oil.

As for the other things, I won't really comment, as I'd probably say not take any (or most) of them.

Edited by nameless, 09 May 2013 - 11:44 PM.

[Ch!ggy]

Currently i'm taking my D3 via the Fish oil at around 400iu/day which I should of mentioned above, the IP6 is high, I don't know why Ive been taking such a high dose, I'll lower that after skipping for a week and get my levels checked.

Didn't know that about Kelp contamination, I will look into that, and the VSL #3 Probiotic, currently i'm taking a Holland & Barrett Mixed Strains brand not an optimum choice.

The Extra Virgin olive oil I buy has a high polyphenol content, currently using Napolina Extra Virgin

I tend to eat a lot of Gouda for the K2 content.

Many thanks for the critique nameless, and to everyone else.

[Luminosity]

I have found Nameless to be very knowledgable in general.

I took Ecdysterone, twice the recommended dosage on the bottle, whatever that was. It messed with my hormones (I'm female). I stopped taking it and would not take it again.

"I follow limited windows of eating each day of 6 - 8 hours and intermittently fast at least 2 times per week." -- Chiggy

I'm worried about that. After doing numerous fasts, cleanses and extreme regimens, I now think these are unhealthy. I believe that they caused me some serious health problems. I would advise anyone to eat three balanced meals a day and two snacks, including carbs, proteins, fats, fruits and veggies. I think some vegetables should be eaten cooked. I'd advise anyone to eat a steamed green vegetable each day. You can't extract certain nutrients from raw vegetables properly, although some raw veggies are beneficial. The balance of raw to cooked varies from person to person.

A pound of broccoli sounds like too much, especially at one time. Eating the same thing every day is not usually the hallmark of a healthy person who is listening to his body. I'd vary it more. A varied diet contains more nutrients. It is sometimes easier to absorb nutrients from vegetables and even some fruits when you eat something with a little fat or oil with them. For instance, I eat nuts, cheese or a little dark chocolate with carrot juice and it seems to absorb a lot more.

I would not limit my eating to 6 to 8 hours per day. That doesn't sound healthy. Our bodies want us to feed them normally, but healthfully. They don't want to be unnaturally limited, starved or constricted. They appreciate the occasional treat. They are not a science experiment. I would not follow extreme diets or regimens. Your body is your partner. Listen to it and find out what it wants.

[Ch!ggy]

Hi Luminosity, thanks fo replying.

Sorry to hear you had issues from Ecdysterone, I will monitor my situation more closely, at the moment everything is fine but I don't think its doing much at all for my training so I will probably phase out very soon.

I understand your reservations on the limited eating windows, I follow the 6 - 8 eating windows to give my intestines a break, I was recently diagnosed with celiac’s and my body is responding very well since limiting my eating to this period, I suffer much less if I have a flare up, find it easier to follow a calorie restricted diet this way, and feel much better.

In regards to fasting, I don't fast for more than 24 hours, 22 hours is the average. I believe giving the body a break from eating and processing does it good, gives the intestines and liver a break and repair processes can be improved, also the beneficial increase in different hormones and enzymes.

Regarding the half a pound of broccoli a day, I am a very boring eater and like to eat the same things every day that work for me, I eat differently if I eat out or if friends visit etc. but this works well for me. My broccoli is always steamed, I always combine fats as you described to make the most of the nutrients, nuts, dark chocolate, and cheese as you recommend. I have a very good connection to my body, since being allergic\sensitive to lots of foods and ingredients I am very aware what works for me and what does not, if something is not doing me good I feel it very quickly including subtle effects from supplements.

Of course Im constantly trying to improve my diet to get the best effect on health, I use cronometer to make sure I am not lacking any nutrients and it helps me to stay on track.

Edited by Ch!ggy, 12 May 2013 - 01:42 PM.

[Luminosity]

Thanks for responding.