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COLURACETAM group buy from reputable NA / UK custom synthesis lab

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#1 ujb222

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:37 AM


Is there an active group buy for COLURACETAM sourced from a reputable North America or UK custom synthesis laboratory? If not, is there anyone interested in forming such a group?

#2 Patrick Sylvester

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 01:22 PM

noostar is slated to stock this in the comming month, they are in arizona.
(i had a post with much more information and consumer rationale but browser hotkeys destroyed it)

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 01:42 PM

My concern would be ensuring > 99.9% purity. I would like to pool funds together and pay a little extra for a reputable laboratory to synthesize the chemical components so that we can rest assured that the result will be > 99.9% pure COLURACETAM.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:43 PM

well, i had another long post and somehow lion crashed, i thought the whole point of mbp's is that they dont (crash.)

that aside the TL:DR of that post was that you most likely won't get 99.99% from any reseller barring some luck, thus your title specifying labs vs anyone.
i can say your recourse is to go investigate labs via email, isochroma's *racetam pricelist has a bulk of suppliers and labs to email. you can find it by
googling : "jabry racetam" its the first hit.
there is also the previous log of the last group trial in the "COLURACETAM - User Feedback" thread found by googling that same phrase,
in it scienceguy is quoted as starting the thread with : "3) I have had 500 grams of pure COLURACETAM (>99.9% PURITY) manufactured by a reputable EUROPEAN custom synthesis laboratory; it cost US$16,000..." maybe you can find some further information there.
aside from that maybe PMing the threadstarter of the last group distro himself or PM ask him his supplier.
Incidentally (publicly) naming of labs (especially reputable ones) is detrimental to collective interest as it is an abasement to the professional community to see talks of private individuals gathering funds to purchase research chemicals for unknown reasons contrasted to institutions purchasing the same for acedemic pursuit. The speculative result of which would be the scrutinty of standardizing entities on those labs and thus the labs increasing unwillingness to continue these small-quantity, high-risk orders. That being said, what is discussed in a private message is inherently private and so while i would not expect a lot of replies to this thread a general discussion of why coluracetam should be of >99% purity, how difficult it is to obtain this and quoted research or older posts would probably suffice to increase posts-count to unlock the ability to PM.

#5 Isochroma

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 06:18 AM

As of today's Racetam Prices list [December 8.6 2013]:

Mina [COA]
<minax123@hotmail.com>
XI'AN YIYANG BIO-TECH CO.,LTD.


Has today quoted me an excellent price on Coluracetam. She can accept 5g order quantities for $70 + $40 DHL shipping = $100 Total or $22,000/kg which is lower than all Western resellers yet still very affordable. Her quote today represents a new value for Coluracetam and means that for such purchases it is cheaper to buy from her company than any Western reseller. She also has a COA which is downloadable from the link in this post or from her Racetam Price List entries.

Better still, her company takes PayPal and Western Union. PayPal has a buyer protection policy so if the product does not arrive the buyer can file a claim and will receive 100% of the payment back. Her company's PayPal email account address will pop up if you hover your mouse over the PP text in the Payment column of the Racetam Prices list.

Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 09 December 2013 - 06:19 AM.


#6 mait

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 09:14 AM

I would take part in group buy for coluracetam. Around 20 persons each paying about 100USD would net us 2.5-5g of pure Colu even from UK/USA synth company, which would mean 22-50 cents per 10mg dose. This would make Coluracetam more affordable as well because now the sanely priced options have turned out to have quality issues, whereas quality products are insanely expensive.

Even the Isochroma-Reborn's Coluracetam vendor from China should be considered. Especially if we could organize independent third party purity analysis of received powder.

Edited by mait, 09 December 2013 - 09:16 AM.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 11:59 AM

On intellimeds.co.uk is available since 3-4 days, 81 €cents buying 100 tablets, 91 buying 20.

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 01:42 PM

I would take part in group buy for coluracetam. Around 20 persons each paying about 100USD would net us 2.5-5g of pure Colu even from UK/USA synth company, which would mean 22-50 cents per 10mg dose. This would make Coluracetam more affordable as well because now the sanely priced options have turned out to have quality issues, whereas quality products are insanely expensive.

Even the Isochroma-Reborn's Coluracetam vendor from China should be considered. Especially if we could organize independent third party purity analysis of received powder.


Since Coluracetam is now available via reasonably reputable suppliers such as NSN: why not buy a big batch from them and focus on adding another layer of testing via 3rd party lab? In my opinion that would be both easier option (i.e. do away with pain of negotiating custom synthesis) and also do the community at large a favour by hopefully confirming the quality of a widely available source.

edit: of course that would still take the price up, though not badly in my opinion: if one bought NSN's 2 gram Coluracetam option (currently not available so...) that puts 1mg at $0.032 ( $64 / 2000 ) and 10mg at 30 cent. Maybe email them and check when/if that bulk option becomes available again?

Edited by 8bitmore, 09 December 2013 - 01:48 PM.


#9 Isochroma

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:00 PM

Thanks for the link.

I will add Intellimeds' Coluracetam to the Racetam Prices list today.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 02:11 AM

Big news everyone!

I have been putting massive effort into sourcing both new Coluracetam retailers and also manufacturers over the last few days.

That effort paid off bigtime today.

As of today's Racetam Prices list version December 11.11 2013, many new Coluracetam suppliers have been added! Finally, Coluracetam is now affordable and there are also many suppliers. This in itself is excellent news for the world's only on-market high-affinity Choline reuptake enhancer but the real icing on the cake is the Chinese manufacturer who contacted me today after I sent him the Coluracetam RFQ.

I will let his pricing - which includes the EMS fee - speak for itself:

From: Suzhou MyLand Pharm&Nutrition (China)

Sales: Gledon Fan <info@mylandpharm.com>

Shipping: EMS (Tracked Express Mail)

Payment: Western Union


Coluracetam: 100g: $890 USD [$8,900 / kg]

Coluracetam: 10g: $180 USD [$18,000 / kg]

Coluracetam: 1g: $90 [$90,000 / kg]


So far the cheapest manufacturer - Season Zhu of TrustWe Group - has been selling ten grams of Coluracetam for $459 USD.

The cheapest three Western retailers using their cheapest shipping options respectively sell at most five-gram amounts. Their pricing including cheapest shipping options are as follows:

Health Supplement Wholesalers: $124.96 [24,992 / kg]

Nootropics Depot: $162.74 [$32,548 / kg]

NewMind: (3g) $117.23 [$39,077 / kg]


Ultrafast EMS shipment and groundbreakingly-low prices characterize this new manufacturer who is willing to sell such low MOQs directly to consumers.
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#11 brainstorm11

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:49 AM

I spoke with a friend who may have been able to synthesize coluracetam - it is supposed to be patented? Is this true and are you just bypassing that in some way? Asking more out of curiosity than judgment.

#12 Isochroma

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 04:14 AM

I'm not sure who you are talking to but I will attempt to answer your questions.

First, patents are attempts at corporate monopoly by governments. Thanks to China's lack of acknowledgment of such contrivances, you and many others are able to afford these life-giving molecules. I also have no respect for such contrivances which are designed to maximize profit for monopolies by sabotaging free-market competition.

Second, a few words about your friend who 'may' have been able to make Coluracetam. The synthesis is extraordinarily difficult, time-consuming and costly. If he has succeeded then he did so with very expensive equipment in a very costly facility and will be expecting to be paid very handsomely for his efforts. Far more than you, I or most anyone on this forum could ever afford to pay and far more than any supplier on the Racetam Prices list would ever sell Coluracetam for. Unaffordably so. Labor is much cheaper in Third-World China.

For even simpler molecules about half the cost of production is not making the molecule itself but separating out all the resulting impurities created due to side-reactions. Until its purity reaches a minimum of 95% the product is useless and in fact dangerous for human consumption. In many cases the required purification is costly and difficult and involves as much or more complexity and steps as the production process itself.

Worse, the more complex the synthesis - Coluracetam has a long, difficult, multi-step synthesis - the more byproducts and less main-product at the end. Making purification and proof of purity all the more critical before the product can be sold or consumed. Many of the synthesis byproducts are toxic and it is common that most of the ingredients and facilitators such as solvents, pH adjustors and even buffers are also toxic.

That is why I have requested LC-MS, GC-MS, HNMR and COA results from the new supplier. If he is serious and nonfraudulent he will reply by email with one or preferably several of the requested datums tomorrow and I will post what results he sends me in a link after his name on each of his company's Coluracetam entries in the Racetam Prices list.

Please note that all COAs and other analytical result files linked in the Racetam Prices list have first been sent to VirusTotal for scanning and must have passed 95% of its virus-scanners before qualifying for linking. Word documents and certain other filetypes can contain macro viruses.

Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 12 December 2013 - 04:32 AM.

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#13 Isochroma

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 05:47 AM

As of this moment right now, Suzhou MyLand Pharm&Nutrition's Coluracetam documentation is online within the Racetam Prices list as of version December 11.14 2013 and also posted below for direct access after successfully passing 100% of virus-scanners at VirusTotal:

COA

HPLC [TinyPic]

LC-MS

NMR [TinyPic]


The TinyPic links are for direct image insertions into posts and layouts rather than file downloads. Below are the Coluracetam HPLC and NMR results. These analytic results guarantee the purity and safety of Suzhou MyLand Pharm&Nutrition's Coluracetam.



NMR


Posted Image

HPLC

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Light for your Mind
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Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 12 December 2013 - 06:11 AM.


#14 Isochroma

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 05:53 AM

The truth is that regardless of place of manufacture only two things count when it comes to the purchase of Coluracetam or any other molecule from a manufacturer:

1. Low Prices
2. Good Test Results

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:24 AM

The truth is that regardless of place of manufacture only two things count when it comes to the purchase of Coluracetam or any other molecule from a manufacturer:

1. Low Prices
2. Good Test Results


Yes, but we should realistically add third party lab test as a specific entry to that little list - I'm happy to see that the manufacturer you contacted above was responsive and provided realistic test results of the compound but independent verification wouldn't hurt one bit - rather it would make use of the constructive competitive aspect of the free market (bits that are left of it...) which you praise above.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 04:17 PM

That's your job and your cost if you still don't trust manufacturers.

My work is a free service to bind the world of makers with the world of takers and resellers.

There is much more work to do.

The Coluracetam and Unifiram markets are still babies and need kindling.

I will be adding many more entries very soon for both of these products.

Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 12 December 2013 - 04:17 PM.


#17 Isochroma

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 06:46 AM

On the thirteenth day before Christmas I bring you new Colur for your souls!

As of today's Racetam Prices list [December 12.1 2013], massloads of new Coluracetam suppliers have sent quotes and analytic results - including those dodgy old COAs but importantly - actual chemical analyses which are now available for download to verify the safety, purity and quality of their products.

Even better, the new manufacturers who have sent quotes are all lower-priced than existing manufacturers who were already on the list. Better yet, one takes PayPal payment! Product arrives and is to your satisfaction or money is returned via PayPal claim. PayPal Buyer Protection.

This PayPal supplier is Nancy from Wuhan HengHeDa Pharm Co., Ltd and her prices are incredibly low! Not only that but she has provided LC-MS and HPLC results to confirm the purity and quality of her company's Coluracetam product. The files and all cost data are now within the newly-uploaded Racetam Prices list for your perusal!

The most stunning price in her quote is the totally affordable $135 for 10g Coluracetam by EMS or $140 by DHL to Canada - shipping to the USA will be a similar price. This is the same price charged by Western resellers for 5g Coluracetam including shipping and includes PayPal Buyer Protection!

Today's efforts have doubled the quantity of Coluracetam you can buy in the $135-$140 price range - from 5g to 10g! And the quotes have only just started rolling in - and I have not finished sending out RFQs either.

By Christmas Day all the world's Coluracetam suppliers with full company data, COAs, analytic results, payment terms, prices, shipping data and total prices sorted from cheapest to costliest for each SKU size will be listed in the Racetam Prices list's Coluracetam table. All of them. I am pushing every single manufacturer to provide all analytic results they have and they are rapidly providing these results as files which are immediately uploaded to file hosters and linked into the Racetam Prices list.

That is my Christmas present to all of you. When I took Coluracetam daily for a month in April of this year it was intoxicating and intensely enlightening visually, cognitively and spiritually. The visual colour in all its splendor; the sense of utter inner peace and joy; the true depth of the highest level of awareness is incomparable and exists not in any other racetam. I have a strange feeling that Coluracetam represents the peak of what racetams can achieve within the human frame and perhaps the peak of all that the entire field of nootropics has achieved to date in this world. Coluracetam has a true depth of soul which is missing from other racetams.

I will make Enlightenment affordable for everyone in doubletime and simultaneously light the afterburners on every nootropics reseller by both lowering their cost of product supply and raising their profit margins. The New Year will not be a mere calendric rotation but a step into the New World of Eternalization.

Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 13 December 2013 - 06:46 AM.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:22 PM

Jesus living Christ!

God just knocked on my door. A very, very gargantuan God.

I just received a reply from the RFQ I sent to Pfizer! The Big Boyz!

You want a legit supplier? Pfizer is the second-largest pharmaceutical corporation in the world by revenue.

And as would be expected from Pfizer they have their Coluracetam synthesis down pat. Ultracheap.

Only $2,309 / kg including EMS fee - with a 1kg MOQ of course. I have replied with a request for test results: HPLC, GC-MS, LC-MS and NMR. However, I think that nobody with a drop of sanity should doubt the purity of their synthesis. If they screwed up this one then billions of people have a lot to worry about in their prescription bottles and so do the world's hospitals.

In comparison the cheapest three suppliers as of the minute before Pfizer's quote arrived were: $6,755, $6,760 and $8,200 per kilogram.

Take that quote and plug it into your group buy. It will be posted when I complete version December 13.3 of the Racetam Prices list later today.

Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 13 December 2013 - 09:48 PM.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:31 PM

Racetam Prices December 13.3 is now online with Pfizer's world-shattering, market-convulsing Coluracetam quote complete with payment details and EMS shipping fee at the top of the Coluracetam table for all you droolers to dribble over.

At only 1/2.926 or 34.18% of the previous lowest priced-supplier's quote of $6,755 per kilogram, I think that large and fast price drops across the Coluracetam industry including retailers will inevitably arrive right on time for Christmas or New Year's at the latest.

Poor ScienceGuy's $15,000 for 500g - $30,000/kg - Coluracetam is now a gross ripoff at twelve times the price of Pfizer's quote. 12.992 times to be exact.

Before mass-production each automobile was a product custom-made and hand-crafted by artisans for the wealthy few who could afford it - and few they were. Henry Ford created the first assembly line to reduce the cost of production and by doing so he successfully transformed the automobile from a rare specialty item for the rich into an affordable product for the masses and thus changed the world. It is my goal to do the same.

Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 13 December 2013 - 09:57 PM.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 06:36 AM

I ordered Coluracetam from intellimeds.co.uk and requested a CoA.

Thy firstly said that they will post it ovr the weekend.
2 Days later I asked about the CoA, but didnt get any response !!
After a few Days I decided to send the package back and requested a RMA number and an address, but dont get any response !!


This was within the cooling off period


So it semms to be that I´ve got scammed !
Another user reports that their capsules are underweighted.

Stay back from them !

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 11:39 PM

Dear All,

First of all I would like to apologise to Flex that we did not supply a COA for Coluracetam when asked. This isn't acceptable, and it is not how we usually do things. Flex, I hope you are able to accept our sincere apologies for not getting this to you sooner. I have tried to more fully explain the circumstances below, and have sent you a personal email about this.

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This post was written because a COA of our coluracetam was not supplied to a customer. The customer's post was written on every single thread relating to Intellimeds.co.uk. Although I may not agree with how this was done, I accept that our customers have the right to discuss our service openly.

I have now uploaded the COA of Coluracetam to our website.

Intellimeds.co.uk is a genuine company. We supply a wide variety of nootropics to customers across the world. We work hard to provide good customer service. As far as I know we're the only UK nootropics company to publish our phone number and take calls.

Like all companies, we aren't able to please every customer and sometimes we can mess up - and when this happens we hold our hands up. For example, when our couriers (DPD & DHL) haven't been able to pick up parcels for our next day delivery service, we've refunded our customer's who have paid for next day delivery and taken this cost on the chin. We're not in business to upset people - we want to provide the latest nootropics, at the best prices, with the best service.

In his posts on this forum, Flex mentioned details of a private email regarding some quite serious health issues with my colleague Aaron, who runs the Intellimeds office on a daily basis. Whilst I would prefer not to discuss this here, this has already been brought up so I would like to clarify the situation. Aaron suffers from epilepsy, and around two weeks ago he had a series of seizures which resulted in him being hospitalised. As a result, Aaron has not been able to work and will not return before the new year.

I have been doing my best to cover Aaron's work for the past few weeks, however as I do not work in the office full time our usual level of customer service has not been maintained. December is a busy time for Intellimeds, and therefore during Aaron's absence I decided to prioritise getting orders dispatched on time to our customers, and regrettably did not reply to all outstanding emails in the timely way that Aaron usually would. I am genuinely sorry that I've not been able to provide our usual level of service over the last two weeks.

This is reflected in Flex's own order. Placed on Sunday 8th December, it was dispatched from our UK warehouse on Monday 9th and delivered in Germany on Friday 13th. I don't think that it can be argued that we provided a quick and efficient delivery service.

I hope that this goes some way to explaining the situation. Flex - I hope that you will give us another chance in the future.

Kind regards

Nick
Managing Director, Intellimeds.co.uk

I ordered Coluracetam from intellimeds.co.uk and requested a CoA.

Thy firstly said that they will post it ovr the weekend.
2 Days later I asked about the CoA, but didnt get any response !!
After a few Days I decided to send the package back and requested a RMA number and an address, but dont get any response !!


This was within the cooling off period


So it semms to be that I´ve got scammed !
Another user reports that their capsules are underweighted.

Stay back from them !


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#22 brucebanner

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:51 AM

Anyone know where to buy Coluracetam powder from in the UK? Not tablets please.

I am trying to avoid international deliveries and customs.


Edited by brucebanner, 21 July 2014 - 09:52 AM.


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#23 Ben

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 12:17 PM

Hi All,

 

A colouracetam group buy group should be started ASAP by a trusted Longecity member.

 

Reasons for a group buy:

 

- I know of no current supplier that sells colouracetam with a COA from an independent laboratory (this is probably not worth it, profit wise, as there are so many people who are willing to ingest Chinese powders--google "china" and "lead"--on a good faith basis.)

 

- European / NA synthesis has a better and longer record of reliability. It is the gold standard.

 

- Lower prices: a group buy is not for profit. There's no one (Newstar with their mystery powders and no ind COA, and the rest) that needs to make a margin on our purchase.

 

 

It would be good if there was a longecity facility that supported this.

 

 

Edit: Isochroma is a legend.

 

 

 


Edited by Ben, 21 July 2014 - 12:32 PM.






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