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[nuc]

Hi there,

I am new to this forum but i have been reading many posts by many users who have shared their wisdom on the matter. In fact, most of my time during the day points mostly to this forum. I have searched many forums and it has occured to me the best place to ask my questions would be here.

First of all i would like to state that i am completely aware that nootropics aren't a magic bullet, or some kind of drug that will allow me to become some sort of a psychic.

I can understand how many people seek this kind of advantage and as we all know life seems simple too short for some. Unfortunately, my life isn't boring and i do live a quite intense life, therefore having said that, i will state that i will be trying to find something that will fit my desires using nootropics and stacking them. I also would like some help or feedback if some of you could please advise me on which can be stacked together and which can't. This is all i am really asking for...

I am going to list what kind of nootropics i will be willing to stack, and if any of you could be so kind to tell me which ones do well together and which ones shouldn't.

Please bare in mind, some listings aren't nootropics but i wish to include them into the stack regardless if they share some synergy.

Let's assume these are the resources i will have at my disposal. Which and how often? I will decide on the dosage and report back. If there's something missing, feel free to add in.

Pramiracetam
Oxiracetam
Noopept
Coluracetam

CDP Choline
Selegiline HCL
Modafinil
Hericium Erinaceus (50% Extract)
Nicotine
Caffeine
Acetyl L Carnitine
Creatine
Whey Protein (Amino Acids) 23g
Fish Oil (2000mg EPA/ 1000mg DHA)

Edited by nuc, 21 May 2013 - 07:47 PM.

[nuc]

Come on people?

I just tried the following...

600mg Pramiracetam
300mg Oxiracetam
10mg Noopept
500mg CDP Choline
2000mg EPA / 1000mg DHA Fish oil

Took it at 7am, didn't feel much compared to a 10mg Noopept+100mg Choline dosage. No motivation, felt like i was experiencing some sort of a mini hangover.
Took another 5mg Noopept+50mg CDP Choline at 8am.
Still nothing until 10:30am when i decided to have a cup of coffee and a cig (caffeine/nicotine), i can't say the nicotine does anything for me in general besides gives me headaches while on nootropics, however i know for certain the caffeine was the one that really managed to start the engine. Up until roughly 2pm i was focused, no depression, no hangover, no headaches or even tingling sensation, i felt pretty much energized physically and mentally with no uneasy feeling. This could be due to one of the nootropics wearing off. Can't really say which one between the Pramiracetem or the Oxiracetam, but generally when i take Noopept on it's own, i feel it's effect, with this cocktail now i felt a bit like noopept didn't exist.

[Sanguine_Rogue]

Caffeine is a great potentiator for noots, with Noopept I only take it in the afternoon before the evening. I typically take it by itself and over the weekend do not take it. Have you tried Piracetam? It's a fairly inexpensive racetam and would help work some of the stack due to how it stimulates the GABAr and the corpus callosum. With the Oxiracetam stimulating the AMPAr you would have a nice balance of receptor activity. CDP taken in the evening will help establish acetylcholine levels before taking any of the racetams the next day.

[nuc]

Haven't tried Piracetam, won't go through the trouble of trying to get it either. I will work around it. It's not available where i'm at without a prescription.

Ok today i did something different.

300mg Oxiracetam
5mg Noopept
1100mg CDP Choline
Fish Oil (2000mg EPA/ 1000mg DHA)

Took the dosage at 7am
Had half a cup of coffee around 8-8:30am (caffeine)
Went for a small cig around 8:30 (nicotine) (may i note i am not a smoker but decided to administer nicotine with this method)
Took another 5mg Noopept + 100mg CDP Choline around 12
Had a few more cig breaks until 3pm

Now let's see.. First i would like to say that by removing the Pramiracetam i felt like being on Noopept without that small lingering sensation that my brain is frying and most definately without all the negatives i had when i included Prami in the mix. I would also like to say that everytime i smoked, i felt impulsing headaches that lasted a few minutes. In other words either the nicotine itself or smoking tobacco really has no place with this combination of nootropics and i'd very much doubt has a place while taking any nootropics, but then again because i haven't done extensive studies by experimenting with myself i can't speak for everyone, however personnaly i won't be smoking ever again and very much doubt i'd consider using nicotine to stimulate my CNS while on noots.
Let's move on, caffeine on the other hand, is quite nice while on nootropics, even when i wasn't having such a good time the other day (read my 2nd post on this thread), the caffeine managed to deal with it. However... the dosage has to be right, in a normal cup let's say there's roughly 100mg caffeine, this seems the perfect dosage, but if dosing 3x a day, it seems like in the long run it can't be too good. so i'm averaging between 50-100mg depending on what tasks you are performing. If you are doing some kind of cardio activity, i doubt you should take any form of stmulants as your body will naturally raise your heart rate and the effects of caffeine will just be another burden on your heart, even if it's such a small dose why would you want to administer something if you can do just as well without. If you are sitting down, i suppose it would be obvious that you would need to raise your metabolism slightly but using a dose that you find suitable and that your body can handle without feeling jittery,

Tomorow i will try something else.

[machete234]

I only tried the following racetams and racetam like substances:
Piracetam, aniracetam, noopept, so I dont have a good idea how your racetams are like.

Imho it makes no sense to throw all your racetams in a cocktail, just try one of them for a month or so and put the other two on the shelf

Went for a small cig around 8:30 (nicotine) (may i note i am not a smoker but decided to administer nicotine with this method)

I smoke for over 10 years and I think thats retarded because the cognitive benefit of cigarettes is zero
Get chewing gums or an ecig, something that is not so terribly addicting.

Edited by machete234, 24 May 2013 - 09:05 AM.

[nuc]

Ok today, i did...

600mg Pramiracetam
300mg Oxiracetam
10mg Noopept
500+(600)mg CDP Choline
2000mg EPA / 1000mg DHA Fish oil

Again but i upped the CDP Choline to 1.1g and i didn't redose the noopept throughout the day. Some areas of my head actually hurt! So it's really annoying... motivation wasn't as bad but still didn't feel energized. I guess i'll stop with the pramiracetam for now as i've had good results with the others combined.

[nuc]

Ok today, i did

250mg Pramiracetam
600mg Oxiracetam
5mg Noopept
1.1g CDP Choline
500mg N-acetyl-L-cysteine
500mg ALCAR
2000mg EPA / 1000mg DHA Fish oil

Ok seems this went very well. Was like being on Noopept without any headaches, and i didn't seem to need caffeine either. I will play around a bit with this one, so far i really liked this stack.

[nuc]

Today i did something a little different, i decided to try ScienceGuy's stack but with a further increase.

Morning Stack was:

250mg Pramiracetam
600mg Oxiracetam
5mg Noopept
1.1g CDP Choline
500mg N-acetyl-L-cysteine
500mg ALCAR
2000mg EPA / 1000mg DHA Fish oil

7 Hours later i'm going for..

200mg Oxiracetam - sublingual
30mg Coluracetam - sublingual

but since i'm feeling like this stack is like being on a glider with no turbulance, no congestion, no headaches, i'm going to add 10mg noopept + 100mg CDP Choline oral.

Will report back after im done studying...

Edited by nuc, 29 May 2013 - 12:55 PM.

[nuc]

And it seems this stack is a winner (for me, maybe not for you)

So to reformulate, i will be cycling this stack for 2 months and taking 1 off.

Will be drinking adequate water throughout the day.

Morning Stack (7am):

250mg Pramiracetam - oral
600mg Oxiracetam - oral
5mg Noopept - oral
1.1g CDP Choline - oral
500mg N-acetyl-L-cysteine - oral
500mg ALCAR - oral
2000mg EPA / 1000mg DHA Fish oil - oral

1 cup of coffee (50-100mg caffeine) (9:30am)

Lunch stack (12pm):

300mg Oxiracetam - sublingual
15mg Coluracetam - sublingual
5mg Noopept - sublingual
50mg CDP Choline - sublingual
1 cup of coffee (50-100mg caffeine) - oral

Evening stack (5-6pm):

300mg Oxiracetam - sublingual
15mg Coluracetam - sublingual
5mg Noopept - sublingual
50mg CDP Choline - sublingual
1 cup of coffee (50-100mg caffeine) - oral

In addition I will be taking this stack twice a day (Morning/Mid-day):

1g Hawthorn Berry Powder - oral (Heart Health)
500mg 50% Cissus Quadrangularis - oral (Bone, Tendons, Ligament, Testosterone)
750mg N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine - oral (Liver Health)
8g Chlorela - oral (Heavy Metals Cleanser)

Additionaly 1 Hour before breakfast (for first week, then 3-4/day for a month):

1 Flat Tbsp Bentonite Clay (Another Heavy Metals Cleanser)

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Diet will be changed from eating regular foods to vegetarian for the duration of the cycle and off-cycle.

Will report back in 2 months time after the cycle of complete.


Many Thanks,

N

Edited by nuc, 29 May 2013 - 09:19 PM.

[helluva nootro]

Hey bro, interesting reading on your experiences so far. ........ Are you only looking to take the nootropics and other supplements you mentioned in your first post? Do you take them all in the morning, also what fluid are you taking the oral nootropics with? are you taking on an empty stomach?

Im comparing your stack to others I have tried and noted, what is your main aim, clarity, stimulation, memory?

[nuc]

Maybe after this cycle, i'll try other stuff.

Evian water, 2 glasses. 1 Bar oats, 150 calories ish.

I won't be using the noots in my first post again, the right ratio for me was in the post above yours. Yes the stacks are taken all at once, if you check what i typed, the stacks are split between 5-6 hours.

If sublingual, doesn't matter whether it's on empty stomach or not, they won't past through the liver.
If oral, i take with food.

Main aim, clarity, stimulation and memory?

Well in sense, feels like in that movie "limitless" except i can't do what i don't know, but what i do learn, remains and what i already know can be done without any stress, for the duration of the noopepts half-life (5-6 hours). Laziness, clouded mind, depression, fear, what ifs, excuses don't exist. If i set a goal, it seems it can be accomplished in a much shorter period of time, if i think of something sometimes i have too many thoughts so it may only be enjoyable if the thought needs a choice. ie: picturing a mountain trail in nature might not seem enjoyable as it usually should; however picturing something that needs decision making will be enjoyable as decision-making is a factor. Stimulation? hmm, nah gotta use caffeine. My memory has always been sharp, it hasn't changed much, however it seems that memory options and recall it faster. I've realised that my mind is always awake, during the day when i'm awake i live my 16-18 hours but when i fall asleep, it seems the dreams that take over kind of give me a sensation in the morning that i haven't gone to sleep yet due to the way i'm experiencing them. Photographic memory of dreams are definately there, ideas too, realism is also up there, even when i'm trying to snap out of the dream i cannot exit unless there's a sound, a bit like inception the movie.

[helluva nootro]

Sounds good, thanks for the update, have noticed quite a few people are not big fans on oxiracetam when taking other racetam supplements as it seems to null the effects so good to see you have a combo working for you. Have you tried swapping the CDP around for alpha GPC. Are you experiencing Lucid dreming to some extent by any chance? Noopept is great, seems to work very well in combination with piracetam also but the initial effects seem to fade a few weeks in. Apologise if I have missed anything, scrolling this on a mobile device

Vegetarian change will be very interesting also, have any plans to increase your choline supplementation or calcium levels?

[nuc]

I haven't tried swapping the CDP for alpha, yet....

Lucid dreaming is there, almost everyday there will be a moment in my dream i try to escape which usually makes the dream shift more into a nightmare, but as the dream carries on, i find it fast-forwarding towards the end as if i'm skipping chapters like one would do when using a dvd player remote. I have also noticed that after i eat, i find myself shortly after visiting the bathroom to take a dump. It seems it's speeding up the process of certain things within my body.