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[Reformed-Redan]

I'm looking at other ways to maximize my potential. I'm wondering if it's possible to slow down time for longer periods. For example if you're in a car accident or a life threating situation your body reacts with speeding up your information processing speed through complex mechanisms. This in turn gives rise to a subjective perception of time flowing slower.

From wikipedia:

According to Steve Taylor, who teaches courses on personal development at the University of Manchester, clock time may be about minutes and hours but Real Time is down to how we experience it and it differs from person to person. For instance, during high-stress situations, such as an accident, the brain receives massive amounts of data to process which alters the brain's perception of time. This is believed to be an evolutionary mechanism adapted by the brain to increase human survival rates. Therefore, during an accident a person can react quickly and make a decision in a short period of time.[citation needed] A recent research model proposes that the perception of space and time undergoes strong distortions during rapid saccadic eye movements.[3] The expectation of perceived motion is necessary for anticipatory slow eye movements. [4]

Does anyone have any idea how to extend the period of time you can experience.

I'm thinking histamine might have a strong effect on the perception of time.

[Q did it!]

The problem I see with is that if you double the processing speed than one would MORE than double the energy needed chemical energy that is for the brain. The best way I can think of improving speed/overall time would have to be through efficiency. But to Slow Down Time Perception permanently or temporarily on demand would be a very tricky animal to catch. Hopefully someone else here can help.

I have had it happen to me only a few times in my life and it is very brief. Mostly visual processing doubles along with reactions time for a few seconds. It is a survival mechanism that is triggered by special situations. It would be very interesting if we could tap into this on demand.

[Reformed-Redan]

The problem I see with is that if you double the processing speed than one would MORE than double the energy needed chemical energy that is for the brain. The best way I can think of improving speed/overall time would have to be through efficiency. But to Slow Down Time Perception permanently or temporarily on demand would be a very tricky animal to catch. Hopefully someone else here can help.

I have had it happen to me only a few times in my life and it is very brief. Mostly visual processing doubles along with reactions time for a few seconds. It is a survival mechanism that is triggered by special situations. It would be very interesting if we could tap into this on demand.

Yeah. I don't know if this is linked with flow. With being n a state of flow I don't think you have increased information processing; but, just time seems to fly by faster. I mean with stimulants you usually increase information processing by just releasing stress hormones and dopamine and NE; which eventually leads to exhaustion of the organism. I think tDCS or some other non-invasive methods or chemically induced methods can elicit this reaction. Potentially H3-inverse agonists like Pitolisant.

[Rethar]

There is a meditation technique where you listen to a metronome and try to feel the time between beats expand as you listen to it for around 10 minutes. Apparently if you keep up with it for a few days you can notice a slowing of time perception. I tried it a few times and it does give quite a cool effect after a few minutes, though I didn't keep up with it.

[DamnedOwl]

Interesting topic. I remember reading a comment by the English ex-footballer (soccer) Paul Gascoigne (a flawed sporting genius if ever there was one) whereby he said that when he played football everything used to 'slow down'.

On balance, you should probably take anything 'Gazza' says with a pinch of salt, nevertheless it did always make me wonder if there was something in it.

That apparent on-the-pitch speed of thought is something that marks out all the very great players though. It's not just their anticipation, but also their reaction time and their higher ability to pick out the space in a crowd of players; all skills that would obviously benefit from being able to successfully process as much of the available information as possible. Perhaps it's an imperceptible slowing of time for them, I don't know, but I would be interested to read whether this is something that other great players have at least given some anecdotal evidence of.

[renfr]

I have noticed a sharp slowing down of time with increased dopamine output and testosterone boost, I feel like I have more time to coordinate my actions and it looks much more softer and less erratic than it was before.
And I mean that in daily life situations, for example I can do a set of actions in a row such as opening the front door, go outside, close the door, put the keys to lock the door and remove them, when my T and dopamine levels are high I can easily do that in a row at once without any flaw, a while before it was much more erroneous and needed a lot of mental processing, now it sounds like it's integrated within the subconscious.
It's not really as if time itself slowed down but as if your brain was able to do more things in a limited time. However my case may not apply to yours since I was dopamine deficient and my T levels were on the low side.

[Godof Smallthings]

Vipassana meditation practice leads to states of heightened senses and a subjective sense of time having slowed down, due to increased attention and, eventually, processing speed.

Bypassing the frontal cortex network and letting the motor cortices do their thing causes significantly faster action, and extreme accuracy. This is what happens in flow. The classic way to get there is by putting in all the long hard hours of training a specific task, remaining motivated, hungry and attentive. Then you will find that your reactions become automatic, and you can do things you'd never be able to do if you relied on the frontal cortex.

[nuc]

There's a method but it's illegal.

[Q did it!]

There's a method but it's illegal.

Its only illegal if you get caught

[renfr]

There's a method but it's illegal.

Tell me I won't tell anyone

There's a method but it's illegal.

Its only illegal if you get caught

True that!

[Patrick Sylvester]

increased dopamine output and testosterone boost...And I mean that in daily life situations, for example I can do a set of actions in a row such as opening the front door, go outside, close the door, put the keys to lock the door and remove them..

second that!
im pretty sure there is some flood of adrenaline in the brain as well during those times. i've experienced what renfr describes, in daily life it's those times when i get a lot of things done without noticing the time and it's much less time elapsed than expected. could be monotonous or trivial things as well but done much faster than accustomed, but it's more than just muscle memory or 'flow'. its strongest in the seconds leading up to and during an auto accident and a bit after. i've also felt it during stressful college projects when getting a great project finished under the wire. i really think it has to do with a over-release of dopamine/adrenaline, to prepare your body with the events and aftermath like when victims go into shock and can still behave normally. maybe this is a desire to go into 'flight or fight' mode all the time? induce high anxiety?
btw whats that method!?

[Rior]

What's that kind of bad movie with the assassin who thinks he has panic attacks, but in reality it's just this "inherent genetic ability" he has to slow down time on command like this? It was pretty sweet to watch just for that.

But yeah, overall this would be an incredible thing to know how to do on command. After all, time is only regulated by our perception of it--and this can be changed through some psychedelic drugs. Perception defines reality, and it wouldn't be too far out of the realm of possibility to think that everyone definitely experiences time at a slightly different rate.

The implications behind being able to do this are unheard of, honestly. But yeah, the chemical energy necessary to do so would likely be massive in comparison to normal brain function. Just eat an additional 1000 calories a day and practice this, I guess?

[Patrick Sylvester]

After all, time is only regulated by our perception of it......... it wouldn't be too far out of the realm of possibility to think that everyone definitely experiences time at a slightly different rate.

ha, actually looking at it from a different view, if all you want is to 'extend' time just go abuse modafinil and gain real (collectively perceived?) time by snatching it from your sleep.
no, j/k don't do that. =p

[lourdaud]

Things I've found helpful:
Cerebrolysin
Sugar
Piracetam
2C-E

[Major Legend]

Vinpocetine at high doses has this effect, though I can't take it since I am allergic to the facial flush it causes.

[soulfiremage]

I wrote a hypnotic script for this a long while back; it combined the notion of the metronome with drawing in sensations from memory. It's main focus however was what you do with your attention.

This point, I believe to be absolutely critical. It's a point made in zen and other forms of meditation as well. Where IS your attention, your experience of yourself.

This tricky little animal as someone said earlier is the animal to catch, tame and train in order to enhance your perception of time.

[Rior]

Things I've found helpful:
Cerebrolysin
Sugar
Piracetam
2C-E

2c-e can go die in a fire, so far as I'm concerned. 2C-E stole so much away from me it's hard to even try to describe it. Unlike other psychedelics, every time I tried 2c-e it felt like a little more of my soul was taken away. Why did I keep doing it? Who knows, probably because I had a gram of it (bought it for $100 online back before it was really even known by people) and just had so much.

Moral of my story: Fuck 2c-e.

[lourdaud]

Things I've found helpful:
Cerebrolysin
Sugar
Piracetam
2C-E

2c-e can go die in a fire, so far as I'm concerned. 2C-E stole so much away from me it's hard to even try to describe it. Unlike other psychedelics, every time I tried 2c-e it felt like a little more of my soul was taken away. Why did I keep doing it? Who knows, probably because I had a gram of it (bought it for $100 online back before it was really even known by people) and just had so much.

Moral of my story: Fuck 2c-e.

What?! Can you please elaborate on this?? In what way did 2C-E "steal your soul"?

Personally I've had several peculiar experiences with 2C-E, most joyful, some enlightening, but not many bad experiences. I admit it can be somewhat rough and almost dissociative in higher doses but adding cannabis to it seemed to take most of the edge off of it..

[nuc]

Drugs work differently for everyone. If drug A gives user 1 xy, and user 1 isn't lacking a xy, then it would give him 2xy or more. In lamens terms, if you give someone already hyperactive some coke, he can die, and i'm not exaggerating.

[Reformed-Redan]

I don't think drugs are long term solution to anything

[Rior]

Things I've found helpful:
Cerebrolysin
Sugar
Piracetam
2C-E

2c-e can go die in a fire, so far as I'm concerned. 2C-E stole so much away from me it's hard to even try to describe it. Unlike other psychedelics, every time I tried 2c-e it felt like a little more of my soul was taken away. Why did I keep doing it? Who knows, probably because I had a gram of it (bought it for $100 online back before it was really even known by people) and just had so much.

Moral of my story: Fuck 2c-e.

What?! Can you please elaborate on this?? In what way did 2C-E "steal your soul"?

Personally I've had several peculiar experiences with 2C-E, most joyful, some enlightening, but not many bad experiences. I admit it can be somewhat rough and almost dissociative in higher doses but adding cannabis to it seemed to take most of the edge off of it..

As someone above said, everyone has a different experience with different drugs due to differing neurological chemistry. While shrooms, acid, 2c-b and MDMA to me have felt empathogenic and bring me "into the moment" and make me feel more alive, 2c-e on the other hand made me extraordinarily dissociated and left me with mild depersonalization lasting up to a week. Post-trip I would feel like I didn't have a personality anymore, I didn't know how to be "me." Eventually, I abused it too much anyway and it left me with lasting depersonalization for about 2-3 years. No exaggeration there, and I'm still dealing with the post-trip issues. Granted it wasn't just 2c-e, it was also abusing DMT WHILE being depersonalized on 2c-e...I wasn't the smartest person in the world about 3 years ago. I'm much more conservative in that regard and hardly ever take any kind of psychedelic anymore. MDMA maybe twice a year, if that. But yeah, 2c-e was the devil for me. I enjoyed DMT before it, then DMT scarred me after 2c-e.

[machete234]

2C-E

Im surprised nobody said psychedelics before because they sure slow down time perception!
On a psilocybin trip in a group a common running gag was to look at the clock and tell everybody how late it was.
The result was roaring laughter because just 30 minutes had passed and everyone felt like it had been hours.
It was 10 at night in reality and you felt like it should be 12 at least.

So especially shrooms do this to my time perception, 2C-E somewhat and it also has an amphetamine push to it also called body load.
But in dosages of 2C-E 2C-D and psilocybin that leave you able to study you dont have this push and you probably wont have the longer time perception.

Eventually, I abused it too much anyway and it left me with lasting depersonalization for about 2-3 years. No exaggeration there, and I'm still dealing with the post-trip issues.

Sorry that happened to you but you dont abuse these drugs they are too powerful.
I rarely have more than 2-3 trips a year because they have to be integrated and that takes months for me.

Edited by machete234, 24 May 2013 - 09:56 AM.

[Rior]

Sorry that happened to you but you dont abuse these drugs they are too powerful.
I rarely have more than 2-3 trips a year because they have to be integrated and that takes months for me.

Agreed. It was a dumb time in my life, I was 18 years old and my friends could do it/handle it, so I figured I could. Granted, I probably could have handled the frequency if it were psilocybe or lucy (it wasn't with ABSURD frequency...) but 2c-e was the absolute worst chemical I could have done that with. At least with my chemistry. That, and throwing DMT on top of it. Badddd.....

[Reformed-Redan]

What a waste of time. Talking about some 2c-e or whatnot.

Haha, I just got a quote for another potential group buy somewhere in the future for Pitolisant. ATM, I have enough group buys going on. IDRA-21, BPAP. Damm.

[Patrick Sylvester]

Agreed. It was a dumb time in my life, I was 18 years old and my friends could do it/handle it, so I figured I could. Granted, I probably could have handled the frequency if it were psilocybe or lucy (it wasn't with ABSURD frequency...) but 2c-e was the absolute worst chemical I could have done that with. At least with my chemistry. That, and throwing DMT on top of it. Badddd.....

that sucks man, my sympathies. sounds like quite a traumatic ordeal.

[lourdaud]

What a waste of time. Talking about some 2c-e or whatnot.

Haha, I just got a quote for another potential group buy somewhere in the future for Pitolisant. ATM, I have enough group buys going on. IDRA-21, BPAP. Damm.

Any news on the BPAP??

[Reformed-Redan]

What a waste of time. Talking about some 2c-e or whatnot.

Haha, I just got a quote for another potential group buy somewhere in the future for Pitolisant. ATM, I have enough group buys going on. IDRA-21, BPAP. Damm.

Any news on the BPAP??

Sent a PM 'bout that.

[acrosstheveil]

i think reishi may be capable of this. I have heard anecdotal reports of people increasing their "framerate" of perception. I have taken reishi daily for about a month and I agree with that conclusion. In fact, I just ordered some more to do some more experimenting at higher doses.

[dogshitwebsite]

I've noticed quite an improvement in "slowing time" after playing dancing onigiri games at http://www.geocities...ing-onigiri.htm for some time and even learning to trigger the effect without the game

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[Multicultural Harmony]

"Does anyone have any idea how to extend the period of time you can experience"

Many hallucinogens such as mescaline can do this, not suitable for daily use though.