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[Tony_Stark]

Hey everyone, I am Tony and I am going for mechanical engineering and computer science in college.

GOALS:
I am looking for the best stack that will improve logical reasoning and math abilities.
Creativity ISN'T a must.
I DO want to minimize test anxiety
I DO want to improve motivation/focus to study (Not through caffeine, but some other source if possible)
I DO want increased memory recall and maximal neural growth.


Here is what you should know:

I have a capsule machine already.
I have an accurate to 0.001 g scale.
I have plenty of gelatin capsules as well.
I have taken piracetam with much success but I am looking for something with a slightly stronger... kick. I have mega dosed and regular dosed piracetam (0.7 g/day - 4.8 g/day)
I always have used choline bitartrate with a 1:1 ratio choline:racetam


I have a stack that I saw that MIGHT be good, but I want you guys to cut/replace anything that you don't think will really help. I have exactly $400 to spend and I need it to last for at least half a year if not a full year. Please tell me if you think anything is a "waste of time/money."


AGAIN This is not my original idea of a stack, it is from a website braintropicdotcom, but I can't post a direct link since I am under 10 posts. Tell me what you think, please.

DAILY
Multivitamin (standard dosage of one pill) - "helps with everything"

Fish Oil (total of 4g/day, a little on the high side, but I hear it really helps) - "helps with everything"

Choline Bitartrate (1:1 ratio with racetam. They recommend Alpha GPC, but almost everywhere I see people saying to just use bitartrate. Plus I already have 500 g of bitartrate so I'm going to finish that up first) - "essential for racetams"

L-Theanine (200 mg) - "improves/creates relaxed focus"

Lion's Mane Mushroom (~250 mg) - "for permanent changes in NGF"

Ashwagandha Powder (450-900 mg) - "for lowering stress"

PRAMIRACETAM (300-600 mg/daily split into two doses) - "the power player of the stack, strong memory booster"


NON-DAILY NOOTROPICS (Test/Study Targeted)
Oxiracetam (750-1500mg) - "for logical learning/math days"

Noopept (10-40 mg) - "extreme study focus for cram/test days"

Vinpocetine (10-20 mg) - "taken right before a test, quickening recall and deep thought"


NOOTROPICS I'M LEAVING OUT
Aniracetam (750-1500mg) - "for creative intense days" I just don't really need this for my field very much, and since my budget is tight, I would cut this first.

Caffeine (as needed) - "focus" eh, I don't need to buy caffeine pills, if I really need some caffeine I can take a pre-workout



If anyone has ANY replacement ideas/substitutions that they would think are better (even if it is more expensive) I'd rather pay for something that is more expensive and noticeably works rather than something that is working so subtly that I can't even notice it (i.e. like lion's mane mushroom, for instance).

Thanks so much for your help!

Tony Stark

[Patrick Sylvester]

imo you should switch noopept (brain fog but cumulative LTP) and pramiracetam (tolerance issues, cost more than piracetam for sure), cut out vinpocetine entirely and add sulbutiamine (semi regular energy) or modafinil (inevitable cram session, emergency use) or both (cycle them). consider oxiracetam and nefiracetam too. i think your right about aniracetam, consider sulbutiamine instead of caffine. good luck with your majors.

[Sanguine_Rogue]

Stick with the Piracetam mate, it may not have the strongest noticeable effects, but it works very well with most other nootropics. Pramiracetam is a good choice for the "power source" of your stack and with Piracetam the two would work very well together in regards to which receptors are stimulated. I wouldn't consider taking Noopept on a continous basis as it works best in a cycle, so taking it occasionally is a good idea and actually what I do as well. l think the swapping of vinpocetine for sulbutiamine would be a grand idea however it is a bit pricey, I typically get Neuro Flow but it hasn't been in stock for a couple of weeks.

Keep in mind you are going to be spending some serious time capsuling, and it can possibly interfere with your schedule (it did with mine). I try to stick to capsuled nootropics as I don't have the time between my work and college.

Your stack looks good, and the dosing seems very spot on, as well as the fact that you have previous experience with Nootropics so you shouldn't get drowsy too much when starting off Pramiracetam.

[ch1ll]

Choline is not necessarily essential for racetams.

[JohnnyP]

Have you considered adding ALCAR?

[Tony_Stark]

I am interested in any alternatives to modafinil that are LEGAL to posses.

ALCAR seems to me to be nothing but an expensive choline source. Bitartrate is a tenth of the price, so why buy ALCAR? Am I misunderstanding this?

While no, choline is not essential, it does seem to stop headaches for me after I've taken piracetam. If it stops the headaches, I'll take it.

I'm definitely gonna look into sulbutiamine. What is it's main focus?

Any other ideas, team?

-Stark

[JohnnyP]

This topic may interest/help you out http://www.longecity...r-dha-vitamins/ , that being said Choline bit, never did much for me except occasionally make me feel dull, other choline sources worked better to enhance the effects of racetams and ALCAR has always been good on its own for me any way plus there are other aspects than just the cholinergic.

[Patrick Sylvester]

alcar isnt choline, its 'acetyl l-Carnitine'. if you want choline, 'alpha gpc' bypasses the blood brain barrier best believed.
i found i don't need choline (it was just giving me head tension), Calcium and Glucose play roles with piracetam also.
sulbutiamine is derived from vitamin B1, looking at a lot of energy drinks (5hr anyone?) main active ingredients are various B vitamins and caffeine -- its supposed to keep you awake and energized (eurogic/stimulant.)

I am interested in any alternatives to modafinil that are LEGAL to posses.

i dont understand this, since it is legal to treat common student conditions and your classmates will ultimately be competing aided by amphetamines. i wouldnt handicap myself if i had the knowledge.

[Tony_Stark]

Have you had any *noticeable* affects from ALCAR?

Modafinil is illegal to have without a perscription. Sure some people get it that don't need it, which is unfair, and others need it but you could argue that gives them an edge. Either way, I'm not in a race against them. I'm in a race to beat myself and better myself. If I can go from a 3.8 to a 4.0 with this stuff, it's worth it. If everyone else gets a 4.0 in the class it would make me happy, not upset.

[Tony_Stark]

Adrafinil looks to be an equivalent to modafinil with the only exception being it needs a higher dosage and takes an hour to take effect. Really, I don't see why this stuff isn't banned too, but I think I'll get my hands on some to try before they make it illegal.

[helluva nootro]

I would suggest adding some Alpha GPC into your stack as Patrick mentioned, choline bitartate is workable but not the best source. CDP choline is also quite useful but can become expensive,

[Sanguine_Rogue]

Yea the cholines tend to have a very wide range of pricing. I take both Alpha GPC and CDP choline due to their differing benefits beyond being a source of choline.

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