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#1 uralsky

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:23 PM


Fiercebiotechresearch reports
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Researchers at Sanford-Burnham Medical Research Institute in La Jolla, CA, have developed what they say is the first experimental drug meant to restore the synapses--or brain connections--destroyed in Alzheimer's disease.
In animal models as well as brain cells derived from human stem cells, scientists mapped the pathway that caused synaptic damage in Alzheimer's. They found that amyloid beta peptides--once thought to be the direct cause of synapse death--prompted the release of dangerously high amounts of the neurotransmitter glutamate, which promotes memory and learning at normal levels, from brain cells called astrocytes that are located next to the nerve cells. In Alzheimer's patients, excessive glutamate activates extrasynaptic receptors--also known as eNMDA receptors--get hyperactivated and cause synaptic loss.
To reverse this loss of synapses, investigators combined two FDA-approved medicines, nitroglycerin and memantine, to create a drug with a dual function. Memantine works by selectively binding to eNMDA receptors and targets nitroglycerin to the receptor. The drug essentially shuts down hyperactive eNMDA receptors on diseased neurons, restoring the synapses between those neurons and halting destructive brain changes that cause memory loss and cognitive decline.

The breakthrough article by Lipton et al. titled “Aβ induces astrocytic glutamate release, extrasynaptic NMDA receptor activation, and synaptic loss” Lipton et al. has been posted for early view in PNAS.
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Synaptic loss is the cardinal feature linking neuropathology to cognitive decline in Alzheimer’s disease (AD). However, the mechanism of synaptic damage remains incompletely understood. Here we show that amyloid-β peptide (Aβ) engages α7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptors to induce release of astrocytic glutamate, which in turn activates extrasynaptic NMDA receptors (eNMDARs) on neurons.
Importantly, the improved NMDAR antagonist NitroMemantine, which selectively inhibits extrasynaptic over physiological synaptic NMDAR activity, protects synapses from Aβ-induced damage both in vitro and in vivo.
As I understand now, synaptic and extrasynaptic NMDARs are different animals. One can apply agonists of synaptic NMDARs and antagonists of extrasynaptic NMDARs simultaneously.

See also previous report:
Balance between synaptic versus extrasynaptic NMDA receptor activity influences inclusions and neurotoxicity of mutant huntingtin. Lipton et al. Nat Med. 2009 December; 15(12): 1407–1413
Quote: Treatment of transgenic YAC128 HD mice with low-dose memantine blocks extrasynaptic (but not synaptic) NMDARs and ameliorates neuropathological and behavioral manifestations. By contrast, high-dose memantine also blocks synaptic NMDAR activity, decreases neuronal inclusions, and worsens these outcomes.

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Extrasynaptic NMDARs oppose synaptic NMDARs by triggering CREB shut-off and cell death pathways
Hardingham, Fukunaga, Bading Nature Neuroscience 5, 405 - 414 (2002)
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Here we report that synaptic and extrasynaptic NMDA (N-methyl-D-aspartate) receptors have opposite effects on CREB (cAMP response element binding protein) function, gene regulation and neuron survival. Calcium entry through synaptic NMDA receptors induced CREB activity and brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) gene expression as strongly as did stimulation of L-type calcium channels. In contrast, calcium entry through extrasynaptic NMDA receptors, triggered by bath glutamate exposure or hypoxic/ischemic conditions, activated a general and dominant CREB shut-off pathway that blocked induction of BDNF expression. Synaptic NMDA receptors have anti-apoptotic activity, whereas stimulation of extrasynaptic NMDA receptors caused loss of mitochondrial membrane potential (an early marker for glutamate-induced neuronal damage) and cell death. Specific blockade of extrasynaptic NMDA receptors may effectively prevent neuron loss following stroke and other neuropathological conditions associated with glutamate toxicity.

Now back to NitroMemantine.
There is a patent: Methods for treating neuropsychiatric disorders with NMDA receptors antagonists (EP 1852113 A2) filed in 2001.
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The Present invention relates to compositions and methods for treating a human patient afflicted with a neuropsychiatric disorder. Specifically, the invention provides for compositions and methods of modulating or antagonizing the activity of neuronal NMDA receptors, wherein such antagonistic activity is capable of modulating the glutamate induced excitatory response of the neurons, thereby inhibiting an excitotoxic effect, promoting a neurotrophic effect, and thereby providing a therapeutic effect that treats the neuropsychiatric disorder.
It specifically mentions NitroMemantine but does not claim it as a substance but rather that it can be used for treating neuropsychiatric disorders, such as major depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety, drug addiction.

It looks like one can synthetize it and legally use for personal “research” experimentation. At least until any clinical trials start.

What do you think people?
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#2 Steve_86

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 06:55 PM

Bump.

Anybody know a source for this?

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#3 uralsky

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:47 AM

Does not look like it is available anywhere, unlike regular memantine.
It could be synthesised in a good chemical lab.
I am very interested in it but do not have have much experience in organizing a group buy. I would hope for more discussion whether Nitromemantine could be beneficial in neuroprotection. If more people are interested then a group buy could be an option.

#4 Steve_86

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 04:48 PM

I would definitely be interested in a group buy

#5 Steve Zissou

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 11:16 AM

I would be interested too. would be most useful for older people.

#6 xks201

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 06:08 PM

In for the group buy...

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 01:13 AM

Edit

Edited by xks201, 09 March 2014 - 01:58 AM.


#8 VERITAS INCORRUPTUS

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:12 PM

very interesting studies on this

#9 Mind_Paralysis

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:21 PM

How did this group-buy go? Did you ever organize it? Over in a ADD-related thread on these forums, we are currently investigating the connection between glutamate, dopamine, and NMDA-receptors in that perticular disease.

 

http://www.longecity...in-development/

Regular Memantine has reocurring side-effects of dosant-dependent extreme brain-fog, when used to treat drug-tolerance such as those related to Methylphenidate and Amphetamine. However, there's also some evidence pointing towards over-active NMDA -receptors being the root of the problem, hence why there is actually a sufficient amount of people reporting a clearing of ADD-symptoms, just from Memantine as a mono-treatment of the disorder.

 

I'm wondering if NitroMemantine isn't as finicky with the dosing? Less side-effects, but higher efficiency? Sounds really quite good.

 

I think those of you with ADHD, PI or PH -related problems, should look into this, and consider joining the group-buy.

 

IF there is a group-buy, that is...


Edited by Stinkorninjor, 11 June 2014 - 07:22 PM.

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#10 uralsky

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:53 AM

There is no group buy currently, and unfortunately.
I think overactive NMDA receptors can be linked to many conditions. I hoped to start a fruitful discussion about this first but found not much interest.
Any new ideas are welcomed

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 11:26 AM

That's too bad, man. There is definitely some discussion in the ADD-thread tho':

http://www.longecity...in-development/

 

I think you should pop on in, and have a look at some of our ideas, and evaluations of potential NMDA-inhibitors there. I think there's potential for a group-buy of a potent NMDA-antagonist further ahead as well, and Nitromemantine is definitely something that's being discussed. =)



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 03:26 PM

I'd be up for a group buy.



#13 hX_

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 12:06 AM

Pretend to organize one and newstar might try to beat you to it! Just don't take people's money and pass it round between three people ;)

Edited by hX_, 22 June 2014 - 12:07 AM.

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#14 Metagene

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 04:07 AM

Pretend to organize one and newstar might try to beat you to it! Just don't take people's money and pass it round between three people ;)


I like the way you think ;) Seriously Nitromemantine would be more useful than Fasoracetam for instance but the former is also patented.

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 05:14 PM

Well it's possible that Nitromemantine is better than Fasoracetam, but we don't quite know, now do we? Faso does seem to work tremendously well for the motivational aspects of cognition, so it's definitely got that going.

 

Let's not count faso completely out, just yet. =) Dr Hakonarsson might just surprise us all. Those of us that have cognitive impairment brought about by genetic errors, that is. Everybody else might not get all that much out of any of this.



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Posted 22 June 2014 - 09:49 PM

Well it's possible that Nitromemantine is better than Fasoracetam, but we don't quite know, now do we? Faso does seem to work tremendously well for the motivational aspects of cognition, so it's definitely got that going.
 
Let's not count faso completely out, just yet. =) Dr Hakonarsson might just surprise us all. Those of us that have cognitive impairment brought about by genetic errors, that is. Everybody else might not get all that much out of any of this.



Not to discredit Dr Hakonarsson or Fasoracetam but faso was originally developed to treat Alzheimer's disease and got shelved for efficacy reasons. Nitromemantine on the other hand is an improvement upon an existing drug that has show results in patients with moderate AD.

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 11:02 PM

 

Well it's possible that Nitromemantine is better than Fasoracetam, but we don't quite know, now do we? Faso does seem to work tremendously well for the motivational aspects of cognition, so it's definitely got that going.
 
Let's not count faso completely out, just yet. =) Dr Hakonarsson might just surprise us all. Those of us that have cognitive impairment brought about by genetic errors, that is. Everybody else might not get all that much out of any of this.



Not to discredit Dr Hakonarsson or Fasoracetam but faso was originally developed to treat Alzheimer's disease and got shelved for efficacy reasons. Nitromemantine on the other hand is an improvement upon an existing drug that has show results in patients with moderate AD.

 

 

Certainly true, I made the same conclusions myself earlier. =)

 

However, I really do think I must be a bit of the devils advocate here, since Hakonarsson did use practical application of genome-sequencing to correlate which drugs might be useful for ADHD, he's really done his homework on this.

 

Rather interesting btw, that both faso and nitromem were originally developed as AD-meds, now isn't it? Certainly seems to be a connection there, what with the glutamate-system and the NMDA-receptors.

 

And Memantine itself was also shelved for not being efficient enough to treat AD, but was later found to be efficient in treating other diseases.

All I'm saying, is I don't think we should discount Faso completely yet, since we don't know how the two of them really stack up.
 

There's a lot pointing towards Nitro being a very useful drug for ADD, among others, but I say there are likewise things pointing towards faso - especially the motivational aspect. Seems to me, the Memantine -reports are mostly about the clarity of mind and focus, and less so about motivation - while the Faso-reports favour the motivational aspects.

 

In theory, the two of them might actually have to be combined in some way, to be efficient for various states of disease.

Lol! Kind of funny, how we're both debating for the drug that the two of us got introduced to, by each other, and not our original substances.

 

Btw, now that I think about it - how do you vaguer Faso and Nimem would stack? What could be the potential result? I believe Faso is primarily an agonist of the Glutamate-receptors, while Nimem is primarily an antagonist for the NMDA-receptors. ( which are a part of the glutamate-network)

Could the two of them actually cancel each other out??



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Posted 24 June 2014 - 04:14 PM

Sorry I didn't really mean to imply I had an informed opinion on Nitromemantine either its just would be more useful in a general sense. Unfortunately with ADHD doesn't seem to be a real push to develop better, more effective drugs as there is to limit abuse and addiction.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 09:51 PM

Sure, Nitromemantine does appear to have more applications, judging from what we know at the moment, gotta' give ya' that.

 

And you don't have to apologize to me! =) Your stance isn't outrageous or anything, and our discussion is civil.



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Posted 27 June 2014 - 02:23 PM

It's nothing personal. My writing skills are rather limited so it takes a bit of effort to express a concise idea.

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 03:22 PM

2015 and still not available at any vendor. In for a group buy!



#22 Ark

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 09:36 PM

2015 and still not available at any vendor. In for a group buy!


Agreed

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 09:43 PM

Me too!

#24 Metagene

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 10:21 PM

Check out the top comment from Liftmode:

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Posted 21 April 2015 - 10:09 AM

Wow... ok, that's certainly disheartening. I had no idea Nitro-groups are all strongly mutagenic! : O He mentions that there are few drugs with nitro-groups that pass through safety-testing, and apparently all of them are still mutagenic, i.e potentially damaging on a genetic level.

 

What I want to know tho', is if there's any statistical data on what the effects of long-term treatment with nitro-medications are? What happens when you use a low-level mutagen continously? They mention damage to fetuses, but are fully grown and adult individuals affected in the same way?

 

 

EDIT: LOL! It turns you into a f***ing smurf! xD

http://en.wikipedia....ety_and_culture

 

Like drinking coloidial silver every day...

 

But no, obviously not just that, I imagine the risk of cancer would be great, with a mutagen and all.


Edited by Stinkorninjor, 21 April 2015 - 10:21 AM.


#26 uralsky

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Posted 21 April 2015 - 06:36 PM

People take Nitroglycerin chronically with no mutagenic effects reported.

So my be a nitro group does not automatically lead to mutagenicity?

 



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Posted 21 April 2015 - 07:40 PM

People take Nitroglycerin chronically with no mutagenic effects reported.
So my be a nitro group does not automatically lead to mutagenicity?


Correct. Also sublingual Nitroglycerin is not associationed with significant methemoglobinemia unlike the IV form.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/3080924/

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Posted 10 September 2015 - 08:06 PM

All right! Right back on top, lads!

So, what are the latest news on this fascinating compound? Has testing continued? What do the safety-tests show so far? Mutagenicity or not?

 

I would be EXTREMELY curious to test this stuff out on someone with Autism... to see if the effects on rats can be replicated - could this actually be a way of treating autism?







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