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[Redux]

Hey everyone,

I know this sounds weird but would like to simply block emotions and my fear reaction system. The ideia is about doing any task without thinking about results or anything else (just do it), in this case is going to the street job hunting in restaurants and bars (my last hope at the moment in this crisis), something that is really triggering a massive desmotivation just knowing will need more than 20 to 50 places to ask around, and getting NO everywhere "there's no jobs" (my head wants to sabotage all the time). Any help, or advice would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Edited by Redux, 12 August 2013 - 03:46 PM.

[penisbreath]

if it's short-term, maybe beta-blockers. i recall feeling particularly zombified on one. you probably won't be able to subvert your emotions without simultaneously affecting your drive though.

[addx]

if it's short-term, maybe beta-blockers. i recall feeling particularly zombified on one. you probably won't be able to subvert your emotions without simultaneously affecting your drive though.

yep, exactly. all known anxiolytics are drive killers or stupidifiers or both and not real anxiolytics


however there is hope for the future. look at the group buy JDTic thread and join in

kappa opioid antagonists should prove to be exactly this - remove fears. alas they're still in animal testing now.

Edited by addx, 12 August 2013 - 03:53 PM.

[unregistered_user]

Pramiracetam

[Godof Smallthings]

I know it is easy for me to say but - do it, despite your demotivation. One foot in front of the other, and soon you'll be standing there at your first restaurant.

This is the kind of thing that will make you grow as a person - going with your instinct of what is right, despite it being difficult. I have been there, my demotivation was the same, after getting a no in every single place in Darling Harbour and around Chippendale, Sydney, I thought my chances were non-existant. But I went to the next area anyway. And the next. Still, in the end, after six days of searching, I did find a job.

And I am sure, if you just keep pulling all threads you can, so will you.

One thing you could do that might separate you from the rest is to print out simple name cards with your phone number and hand them out at each place. Ask them to call if a position comes up - that way, it will be easy for them if that situation comes up - and it will, at some point. There is a lot of staff rotation at restaurants and pubs.

Another thing to do is that in the places you get a no, also ask them if they know another place that is hiring. The more hooks you throw out, the more likely you are to score.

Don't despair. Try, if you can, to see this whole thing as a game and a learning experience. Finally, write down your experiences at the end of each day. That helps in your planning, and if you publish it somewhere online, it could lead to people coming up with good tips... or even offering you a job.

Good luck!

Edited by Godof Smallthings, 13 August 2013 - 05:52 AM.

[machete234]

Pramiracetam

I agree and I think you dont have to look very far:
Racetams will blunt your emotions a little and they wont fuck you up like other drugs.

[nupi]

SSRIs. Except you probably wont be bothered by the fact that you have no job

[prunk]

D-Amp

[Esoparagon]

Noopept made me into spock, an irritable spock. But be careful. My current brain fog may be because of it. It's relatively unstudied.

[protoject]

I believe folic acid is assisting to stabilize my emotions (400 mg, without any high dose b vitamins or anything funny.)

[archangel]

Pramiracetam

This.


A.

[Luminosity]

Emotions are part of a person. Part of life.

[deh707]

Pramiracetam and Modafinil for sure.

Phenylpiracetam, user variant.

[extroverinstinct]

50mg picamilon.

Noopept(hated it)

Gabob(hated it)

Honestly based on the state of mind your attempting to achieve I would say a Social psych class and daily meditation, although I guess this requires a logical state to exist before you're able to deepen the logical state further(?wtf)

When I hear about problems that people have, similar to this, I'm glad to have Asperger's.

[Puppeteer]

But without emotions what joy or satisfaction would there be in pursuing anything? I say this as someone with moderate-severe cognitive issues stemming from drug use (HPPD) who often feels significantly emotionally blunted. I don't doubt that my brains natural serotonin/dopamine/norepinephrine systems have been damaged in such a way that normal emotional reactions just aren't possible at the moment. It's fucking horrible. All I want is to be swept away by beautiful music, to engage in the frustration and joy of romantic pursuits, the rush of intense employment. As it is I awake indifferent to my existence, and the only desire I have is the desire to desire.

If you truly wish apathy on yourself, try an SSRI. Tell any back-lane doctor you've been feeling depressed and they'll give you a script. They're notorious for working through cutting the peaks and lows from your emotional experience.

But instead I'd highly recommend educating yourself on critical thinking and using it as a light-in-the-dark of the grip of powerful emotions. Logical thought is the far and away the most important ingredient for a satisfying existence.

I'll leave you with a quote I wish I'd stumbled upon a long time ago:

"I actually attack the concept of happiness. The idea that - I don’t mind people being happy - but the idea that everything we do is part of the pursuit of happiness seems to me a really dangerous idea and has led to a contemporary disease in Western society, which is fear of sadness. It’s a really odd thing that we’re now seeing people saying “write down 3 things that made you happy today before you go to sleep”, and “cheer up” and “happiness is our birthright” and so on. We’re kind of teaching our kids that happiness is the default position - it’s rubbish. Wholeness is what we ought to be striving for and part of that is sadness, disappointment, frustration, failure; all of those things which make us who we are. Happiness and victory and fulfillment are nice little things that also happen to us, but they don’t teach us much. Everyone says we grow through pain and then as soon as they experience pain they say “Quick! Move on! Cheer up!” I’d like just for a year to have a moratorium on the word “happiness” and to replace it with the word “wholeness”. Ask yourself “is this contributing to my wholeness?” and if you’re having a bad day, it is."

[extroverinstinct]

I say this as someone with moderate-severe cognitive issues stemming from drug use (HPPD) who often feels significantly emotionally blunted. I don't doubt that my brains natural serotonin/dopamine/norepinephrine systems have been damaged in such a way that normal emotional reactions just aren't possible at the moment. It's fucking horrible. All I want is to be swept away by beautiful music, to engage in the frustration and joy of romantic pursuits, the rush of intense employment. As it is I awake indifferent to my existence, and the only desire I have is the desire to desire.

Doesn't meditation, yoga, extreme visualization help with any of this? Obviously "swept away" is an extreme flood of chemical opiods/stimulants/downers balance etc that we experience as children. It isn't simply an emotional response that can be achieved from the same stimulus at any age. One would have to counteract biases and desensitization to reach this point again. The only way I achieved this was through meditation.

Edited by extroverinstinct, 28 August 2013 - 08:00 AM.

[Turnbuckle]

if it's short-term, maybe beta-blockers. i recall feeling particularly zombified on one. you probably won't be able to subvert your emotions without simultaneously affecting your drive though.

Beta blockers don't zombify, they break the feedback loop between heart rate and emotion that can create fear and panic states. I've taken propranolol for hypertension for some years now, and found right away that it made public speaking much easier.

[penisbreath]

if it's short-term, maybe beta-blockers. i recall feeling particularly zombified on one. you probably won't be able to subvert your emotions without simultaneously affecting your drive though.

Beta blockers don't zombify, they break the feedback loop between heart rate and emotion that can create fear and panic states. I've taken propranolol for hypertension for some years now, and found right away that it made public speaking much easier.

might depend on the dose/individual, but you can't really resort to blanket assertions like that. propranolol *did* zombify me when taken in a regular social situation (party) and i had a friend who had the same reaction. i was on 40mg at the time. i was recently represcribed it at just 10mg and the effect is more subtle/less zombifying.

[Turnbuckle]

if it's short-term, maybe beta-blockers. i recall feeling particularly zombified on one. you probably won't be able to subvert your emotions without simultaneously affecting your drive though.

Beta blockers don't zombify, they break the feedback loop between heart rate and emotion that can create fear and panic states. I've taken propranolol for hypertension for some years now, and found right away that it made public speaking much easier.

might depend on the dose/individual, but you can't really resort to blanket assertions like that. propranolol *did* zombify me when taken in a regular social situation (party) and i had a friend who had the same reaction. i was on 40mg at the time. i was recently represcribed it at just 10mg and the effect is more subtle/less zombifying.

All right then, I stand corrected. If it zombified you and your friend, then it must be possible. I take 160 mg and it didn't have that reaction...or maybe I just haven't noticed.

[penisbreath]

bear in mind, I'm pretty sensitive to medication overall. the effect was more depressive than zombifying, I guess .. I just felt really introverted and didn't wanna talk to anyone, it killed my spark somewhat.

[Metagene]

D-Amp

My Lord yes.

[archangel]

if it's short-term, maybe beta-blockers. i recall feeling particularly zombified on one. you probably won't be able to subvert your emotions without simultaneously affecting your drive though.

Beta blockers don't zombify, they break the feedback loop between heart rate and emotion that can create fear and panic states. I've taken propranolol for hypertension for some years now, and found right away that it made public speaking much easier.

Do you know of any non-prescription/herbal beta-blockers? Seems like this is an awesome tool to have in the box.

A.

[Turnbuckle]

if it's short-term, maybe beta-blockers. i recall feeling particularly zombified on one. you probably won't be able to subvert your emotions without simultaneously affecting your drive though.

Beta blockers don't zombify, they break the feedback loop between heart rate and emotion that can create fear and panic states. I've taken propranolol for hypertension for some years now, and found right away that it made public speaking much easier.

Do you know of any non-prescription/herbal beta-blockers? Seems like this is an awesome tool to have in the box.

A.

The first time I tried it I bought it from Noble Drugs without a prescription. I've bought several things from them over the years, especially if it's not available in the US.

http://www.nobledrug...nderal_149.html

[sthira]

Beta blockers don't zombify, they break the feedback loop between heart rate and emotion that can create fear and panic states. I've taken propranolol for hypertension for some years now, and found right away that it made public speaking much easier.

Have you experienced any side effects?

[Turnbuckle]

Beta blockers don't zombify, they break the feedback loop between heart rate and emotion that can create fear and panic states. I've taken propranolol for hypertension for some years now, and found right away that it made public speaking much easier.

Have you experienced any side effects?

The only negative effect I've seen in several years is the difficulty of getting my heart rate up, which of course is how propranolol works to begin with.

For those who worry about zombification and other mental effects, there may be better choices. Wikipedia says this--

Due to the high penetration across the blood–brain barrier, lipophilic beta blockers, such as propranolol and metoprolol, are more likely than other, less lipophilic, beta blockers to cause sleep disturbances, such as insomnia and vivid dreams and nightmares.

and

Atenolol is a selective β1 receptor antagonist, a drug belonging to the group of beta blockers (sometimes written β-blockers), a class of drugs used primarily in cardiovascular diseases. Introduced in 1976, atenolol was developed as a replacement for propranolol in the treatment of hypertension. The chemical works by slowing down the heart and reducing its workload. Unlike propranolol, atenolol does not pass through the blood–brain barrier thus avoiding various central nervous system side effects.

Unfortunately...

It was the main β-blocker identified as carrying a higher risk of provoking type 2 diabetes, leading to its downgrading in the United Kingdom in June 2006 to fourth-line agent in the management of hypertension.

Edited by Turnbuckle, 29 August 2013 - 03:27 PM.

[archangel]

The first time I tried it I bought it from Noble Drugs without a prescription. I've bought several things from them over the years, especially if it's not available in the US.

http://www.nobledrug...nderal_149.html

Thanks for this...I'm going to have to give it a shot- looks promising. I did some reading on Carvedilol, which also seems like it might work for what I need.


A.