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[linclinc]

Hi,

This is my first post here and have found many an interesting read in the forums.

I have had problems with Fibromyalgia for the past two years, but have had great results with some medications and accupuncture, however.....

I am looking for some ideas on how to increase energy levels and my declining libido. I have just recieved an order of Jumex (Deprenyl), hoping to get some results.

Any recommendation as to dosage?
Any recommendations as other Nootropics?

Thanks,
Linc

[susmariosep]

Declining libido?


Now is the time to engross yourself in intellectual and spiritual pursuits.

Millions of men and women are working themselves to nuts by meditation and even operation, surgical that is though crude attempts at, to subdue their libido, in order to concentrate on things of the mind, like knowledge and mysticism.

Read on Buddhist mystics and Catholic ones, there was a great thinker striving to be like the angels, who neither marry nor give in to marriage, -- and he was not the first nor the last, who did castration on himself to overcome libido.

Poor chap he did not suspect that it's all in the mind or brain. He should have done some selective lobotomy, now I think I read that is possible with modern brain surgery.

Who's that guy? Find out and I will reward you with a free online copy of "The Cloud of Unknowing", from some English mystic of the 14th century.


Time for you to sign up with Buddhist monks and Catholic contemplatives.


Hahahahahaaaaa and heheheheheeeeeeee!


Susma

[pinballwizard]

I think deprenyl will definitely increase your libido... I only take like 1 drop every other day... But I am thirty-one. Most of us like selepryl. It is much easier to dose. You will know if you are taking too much. You start to get dizzy. But follow the

From this site: http://www.eternitym...ingredients.htm

Age Dosage
45- 1 mg/ day
50- 2 mg/ day
55- 3 mg/ day
60- 4 mg/ day
65- 5 mg/ day
70- 6 mg/ day
75- 8 mg/ day
80- 9 mg/ day
80 over 10mg/ day

stick to the schedule...

[Pablo M]

For energy, I really like siberian ginseng. It is my favorite botanical substance because it gives me energy, mental clarity and general feelings of well-being. It is awesome before any physical activity like ultimate frisbee. I also take rhodiola rosea, 100 mg 3 times a day.

The rhodiola seems to help with my depression. Also I take fish oil with concentrated EPA. SAMe is apparently very effective, though I've not tried it.

For libido, I've not found a more effective substance than maca. Now that I don't have a girlfriend, I have to take it easy lest it be "too much" to handle. heh

[scottl]

linclinc,

A few brief thoughts:

1. Someone I know with fibromyalgia was very pleased with a bed I had recommended to him. He said it made a big difference.

The one I had recommended at the time was..select comfort. I've since gotten rid of my select comfort for a tempurpedic, but you might try both and see how you feel. Getting a good night's sleep is very important.

I've had problems with the....pillowtop options on beds as it compresses down and then is not fun to sleep on (why I got rid of the select comfort).

2. There is some useful info here:
http://qualitycounts...bromyalgia.html, and magnesium malate rings a bell for fibromyalgia though I've no personal experience with it.

3. Decreasing energy levels and libido sounds like depression. Could you be depressed?

4. Fibromyalgia has a....component of...to use a technical term..mental/emotional stuff. If you do not address this...IMHO...you are not adressing a large component of your illness. This is a non-trivial process to put it mildly.

One useful mini relaxation exercise you might try is here:
http://www.thewayofs...meditation.html

There are other tools on the site e.g. more formal meditation, "tuning in", etc. which you might benefit from.

Alternatively there are numerous forms of therapy which might be tried.

[exigentsky]

The only energy supplement I've tried thus far is caffeine pills and Xtend Life's natural Energy, so I cannot speak outside of this experience.


The benefits of caffeine pills are by far more obviou and provide a greater burst, but the jitteriness, nervousness and inevitable crash after 4-5 hours make them less desirable to me. (I'm more sensitive than others to caffeine.) On the other hand, I felt energetic for longer and also without side efffects using the Natural Energy formula. But the Natural Energy formula also took about a week to reach what I subjectively call maximum effect. It's hard to say what's the best, it's more based on what kind of energy and for how long you want it.

I don't think I need to list the ingredients of a caffeine supplement, but here are the ingredients for the Natural Energy supplement.

[magr]

Maybe it would be a good idea to have your hormone levels tested.
The symptoms descibed can be caused by decreased testosterone.

[REGIMEN]

I've had similar problems with energy, libido, and depression for the last two years brought on by a thyroid condition and bacterial dysbiosis. Things that have helped in these areas are:
1) Whey protein - helps with energy, motivation, and that gets you to libido
2) Acetyl-L-Carnitine - helps with motivation
3) Fish Oil - look for high EPA levels (Country Life Omega and NOW Foods Super EPA)
4) Cerebral Vasodilator - Look up Picamilon, Vinpocetine, Ginkgo Biloba (IMHO in that order for depression)
5) Inositol - seen sources that state anywhere from 2-15g a day for depression
6) Maca Root - get yourself some extract, the powder isn't too pleasant

Avoid sugar and caffeine, and possibly dairy. As you are trying to come out of a two year period of what can be generalized as "imbalance", the less you rock the boat, the sooner you'll be able to stabilize. Include corn syrup, (white)grape juice, and milk sugars when looking at food labels(yeah, goopy Chinese food is in there). Try wild rice, beans, oats, and lentils for carbohydrates that keep your insulin levels consistent which implies an avoidance of bleached flour and polished rice.
Veggies are very necessary now.

Good luck with this.

[linclinc]

Thanks for all the info everyone!

I live a very active life: work more then full time, own a home (with a rental suite), married, have two young children, two cats and a dog.

I have had: Testosterone levels checked (bit on the low side for 41 years of age), full blood work, heavy metal testing, CT scan, MRI, Xrays. Everything has come back normal. I was on Neurontin (gabapentin) for about 6 months and that really helped with the muscle spasms (stopped medication now).

When this all started I was biking 40-50 kms a week and did yoga everyday, the doctors told me to continue even with all the pain. I did that for almost a year and when I stopped biking and heavy yoga, everything got much better. I still walk a lot, work the garden and stretch every 15 minutes to help. I do work a desk job in front of a computer, which I think is the worst thing for me.

I am well eductated on whole foods and try to follow good eating habits (lots of un-processed foods, cut out simple sugars. I stopped drinking coffee about a year ago, but found that I have no energy during the day. Ginseng has been very helpfull, but I have to be careful as I have problems sleeping after taking it for about a week.

I have read everything about Fibromyalgia (new ideas and old ones). I have seen specialists in just about every field and have come along very well in the past 6 months. I am on a pretty good supplement regime and avoid heavy medications.

My libido my zest for life, what makes me wake in the mornings feeling good about life, what make me what to create (sculpt, paint and have fun with my kids).

Thanks for all the tips on ways to fine tune the body and mind.

Del

[scottl]

Del,

" I stopped biking and **heavy yoga**"

What do you mean by heavy yoga? Ashtanga? Flow yoga or vigorous sun salutations?

Have you tried any restorative yoga?

[brooklynjuice]

Del,

" I stopped biking and **heavy yoga**"

What do you mean by heavy yoga?  Ashtanga?  Flow yoga or vigorous sun salutations?

Have you tried any restorative yoga?

I seen this fat chick trying yoga just the other day.

Maybe thats heavy yoga [wis] [tung]

[susmariosep]

Biking and libido and chastity.


When this all started I was biking 40-50 kms a week and did yoga everyday, the doctors told me to continue even with all the pain. I did that for almost a year and when I stopped biking and heavy yoga, everything got much better. I still walk a lot, work the garden and stretch every 15 minutes to help. I do work a desk job in front of a computer, which I think is the worst thing for me. -- linclinc

Catholic spiritual masters recommend giving up biking for girls, risky to chastity and virginity.

For guys, I have some inkling that biking can compromise your libido and sperm-count. Why? because balls could get overly manipulated and heated up, which slow down production of vigor juices responsible for libido and fertility.

About yoga and all those meditation gimmicks from India, too much time invested for too little and dubious benefits if any. Time and inconvenience and discomfort better spent in reading or in lying in bed and thinking or writing messages in message boards.

Okay? hahahahahahaaaaaaa and heheheheheheheeeeeeeeee!

Susma


When this all started I was biking 40-50 kms a week and did yoga everyday, the doctors told me to continue even with all the pain. I did that for almost a year and when I stopped biking and heavy yoga, everything got much better. I still walk a lot, work the garden and stretch every 15 minutes to help. I do work a desk job in front of a computer, which I think is the worst thing for me.

[brooklynjuice]

CT scan, MRI, Xrays. Everything has come back normal.

What the hell were you doing in the radiology department and what kinda coverage pays for a MRI because of these reasons? This doesnt ring right

[LifeMirage]

Hi,

This is my first post here and have found many an interesting read in the forums.

I have had problems with Fibromyalgia for the past two years, but have had great results with some medications and accupuncture, however.....

I am looking for some ideas on how to increase energy levels and my declining libido. I have just recieved an order of Jumex (Deprenyl), hoping to get some results.

Any recommendation as to dosage?
Any recommendations as other Nootropics?

Thanks,
Linc

SAMe is quite well studied in the US for Fibromyalgia, 800 mg daily is the recommend dose based on the studies.

Deprenyl can be used in higher doses 10-20 mg daily for your purpose, but it is best to work with you doctor regarding your diet due to a possible MAO-A reaction.

[celica46]

what dosage for sex drive for a 35 yr old female, what about just taking 2mg 1 hour before sex?

[rfarris]

That might work pretty well for a 46 yr old female, but I'm not sure about a 35 yr old.

[keeton1]

linclinc, I can't say by any means that this was the start of the problem, but as susmariosep has stated, there does seem to be some evidence churning around about the damage that a normal bike seat can cause on the system. I personally haven't read about the "heating up" problem, but I have read about how normal cycle seats may cause a certain amount of damage based off of how much you ride, the terrain you ride in, and how much you weigh.

[robbie7]

Hi,

I am looking for some ideas on how to increase energy levels and my declining libido. I have just recieved an order of Jumex (Deprenyl), hoping to get some results.

Any recommendation as to dosage?
Any recommendations as other Nootropics?

Thanks,
Linc

First, welcome and thanks for your first post.

I am wondering if you (Linc) or the others could expand a little more on what we consider to be 'low' libido etc. I mean at 40 - 50, you can't expect to be as 'caliente' (Spanish word for 'on heat') as you were at 20 or 25... do you expect to be? I'm quite happy with my levels but it's such an individualistic thing... also sometimes if you 'let yourself go' (i.e. guys get fat, women have children = stretch marks, or you get glasses etc.) and don't find yourself or your partner attractive, it affects your libido greatly. It's interesting that there has been no mention of viagra or testosterone precursors as yet.

Robbie

[celica46]

what dosage for sex drive for a 35 yr old female, what about just taking 2mg 1 hour before sex? any cons with this scenerio? Life Mirage help

[FunkOdyssey]

Thanks for all the info everyone!

I live a very active life: work more then full time, own a home (with a rental suite), married, have two young children, two cats and a dog.

I have had: Testosterone levels checked (bit on the low side for 41 years of age), full blood work, heavy metal testing, CT scan, MRI, Xrays. Everything has come back normal. I was on Neurontin (gabapentin) for about 6 months and that really helped with the muscle spasms (stopped medication now).

When you say you had testosterone levels checked and full bloodwork, I hope you don't just mean Total Testosterone and CBC? Free/Bioavailable Testosterone, Estradiol (sensitive, not the test for women), TSH, DHEA and Cortisol could all have an impact on the symptoms you are describing... if you are missing any of those results, you didn't have "full bloodwork" performed. Most ordinary phsyicians would not suggest testing that comprehensive; an open-minded endocrinologist or anti-aging doctor would be the most likely to help.

"Testosterone a bit on the low side for 41 years of age" is clearly sub-optimal. Straightening that out would probably have a more significant and positive effect than throwing random substances at the problem (a general tendency among supplement enthusiasts, myself included).

And about "normal" results on blood tests, you should get your own physical copy of the results of all tests performed on you. You are going to be able to do more with those numbers than an unenlightened conventional physician who is going to ignore your symptoms if you fall somewhere within the reference ranges. There is a big difference between normal and optimal, and the normal ranges on lab tests are much too wide.

[rfarris]

That might work pretty well for a 46 yr old female, but I'm not sure about a 35 yr old.