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[leeda]

What are your tactics for the War on Death? You got any plans? There is a War of course you know this or do you. If there isn't a war there is because I been fighting it for a long time since my first memory.

Life is opposite to death. The war has been brutal so far with much pain on humanities side being bourne by so many down the centuries.

I believe many untouched by pain have no idea what's going on and are practically sitting idle and have many abilities and talents not being used. The problem is that once you discover the truth about pain your power and spirit have been taken from you and you are powerless. If someone could communicate the knowledge of pain and suffering and misery to someone who has never experienced these things it would set that person on fire.

While you have the light you must fight the war. War on Pain. War on Death.

I only have English to communicate to you pain which doesn't communicate the ideas effectively. I want revenge on pain I want immortality.

Do some of you not want immortality? Maybe you haven't loved. No really maybe. On the other side of pain is a numbness. But endurance to pain develops overtime. Also the motivation to never experience such things again. If you don't want immortality death already has you in it's grasp. You haven't lived perhaps to thirst after more. You haven't seen the light of life.

For the man whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin. I like this concept. This is on the way to defeating death. But sin is a christian concept. I just associate sin with anything bad. Pain makes you hate life. It is in opposition.

This is a War on Death. Bang Bang Boom Boom. Trumpet Blast.

The days are evil. We live in an evil age. We must fight. To live is to fight. You already fight. But you must step it up. But I can't tell you how. I can only tell you what's out there. There is pain beyond your deepest imaginings and trouble. It's beyond your perception. You basically are kept in paradise until its's to late and the trap is sprung. But you who are in paradise must give thoughts to such things as suffering to acquire strength, maybe you can break the code.

Actually I don't know anything about what I talk about.

I can't offer you any weapons against death. Maybe the bible if your that way inclined. Maybe you could read science.

So where are you at in the War on Death? What are your thoughts on such a thing.

This is a militant guerrilla post attacking death and those opposed to living forever. This is an attack on death.

I see death as the ultimate enemy.

I'm starting an army.

If you want to join my army in the war against death you can post in this thread your ideas, text and words.

Did you know every man has to bear his own burdens

It's possible others can make your burden lighter I think knowledge can also ease the weight.

Immortality is a world thing. Everyone has a part to play in the War on Death.

It's got to start somewhere but this thread is not something and is really nothing.

Still War on Death proceeds.

How exactly do you war on death?

Through belief in resurrection you can claim death has already been defeated. Everyone is immortal it just hasn't happened yet but will. This defeats murderers who believe they have the last say. Any soldier who's died has died combating death.

I hold the belief that there is a record of everyones lives thoughts movements actions everything. There will be no secrets and darkness.

I guess there is little action we can take. But there are things we can do. I'm blocked from telling you even one thing you on your own can do. Envision.

You must post.

Bear my burden of a War, a War on Death. I will read your words. I don't know what they will do to me or others but you must post your written word to fight death in this War. Maybe your words will ease my weight or others to inspire.

You are but a private alongside me in the trenches. It's raining hard and there's mud explosions bullets pain misery everywhere. There ain't any officers or leedas around either.

This is a War on Death. Post here to Work a War on Death. Show me your War Private.

Leeda

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[Julia36]

We need to survive as a civilisation if we can.

Then the future will resurrect us (Quantum Archaeology).

Other than that getting old can be fun.

I dont like the slowing down and restrictions of ageing, but it is an experience I can bear because I know its reversible, like death.

[leeda]

We need to survive as a civilisation if we can.

Then the future will resurrect us (Quantum Archaeology).

Other than that getting old can be fun.

I dont like the slowing down and restrictions of ageing, but it is an experience I can bear because I know its reversible, like death.

Yep we definitely need to learn to survive as a civilisation. If we can live long enough, and it won't take long, then yep the future will be able to resurrect us and anyone who has ever existed.

In the mean time there are alot of sick, tired, heavy laden people in the world. Getting old can be fun but only for a minority I believe, eventually you have to deal with death. For quite a few it's a challenge in many ways having to deal with illness etc the precursors. You don't even have to be old.

I have suffered immensely. No doctor could help me. From the age of 20 till now and im 35. It was only intense for the first 10 or so years, it's mild now compared to yesteryear. Growing old should be fun for me as I hopefully will heal and suffer less and maybe put the endurance I have created to use.

The government and people of the world don't recognise my suffering and haven't given me any money. If they understood I would have my needs meet like my own owned mortgage free house. Truly I say unto you.

It's situations where poverty drives pain and suffering that need to be helped as well. Not everyone is willing to help especially those creating the suffering and profiting finacially. There's still plenty of slavery in the world.

Right war on death. I dunno. I don't want to be on the wrong side of a resurrection. LIke be a criminal or murderer. What I have experienced can only be classed as evil. I hope there is some reward at the end.

God's a tricky one. It could be that humans resurrect Jesus and that's his return.

Do you have any thoughts on the war on death? What about things like mind control in the future? There could be another slave war.

Yo WAR ON DEATH. Use the tools you have, play your position. Use up power, energy and time efficiently to produce fruit. Look after yourself slowly evolve and get better.

Fight the good fight. Run the good race to win the prize like an athlete. Use all your might for things you do.

That'll do.

Leeda

Edited by leeda, 03 September 2013 - 06:49 AM.

[Julia36]

Use the tools you have, play your position. Use up power, energy and time efficiently to produce fruit. Look after yourself slowly evolve and get better.

Fight the good fight. Run the good race to win the prize like an athlete. Use all your might for things you do.

Strong words!


I'm sorry you've suffered. The record you talk of is also discussed under the Law of Conservation of Information.
I think that law is correct and works in the science world as well as divinity.

Death and Suffering are reversible as I see it.

I mean death is going to be halted then rejuvenation will happen.

Then resurrection will follow as our maths calculates space-time coordinates (see the quantum archaeoogy thread)

Suffering should be reversible too.

NB Not just compensation stuff, but actually to interfere with history and de-programming suffering out of it.

I have thought a lot about this and reason it;s feasible to do with enough technology.

You haven't suffered.

Because we can change the past.

I hope to post a paper on it outlining the method of doing that, but generally technology will accelerate so much the past can be changed without loss of identity.


The philosophy asks, What is real? I doubt anything is because no final state is logically possible.

The past has [physical properties, the most important of which was it was unchangeable.

That cannot be true with things like eg time travel. But also altering the past using coming machines, some no doubt on vast scales and depths.

Reality posits the number of facts as well as finality.

The greater the number of facts about something the realer it was.
For instance a picture had fewer facts than a 3D replica.

It's moot if there is infinite regression (in which case reality is unknowable)

but depth of data is only required to the human relevant scales for changing events that have been.

Anything smaller wouldn't be registered by us.

Philosophy has many issues: we dont have the language for most of them. But coming machines will deepen knowledge and give us massively more facility.

Suffering in this sense is an illusion, not fixed, not set, hasn't happened, and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Pain you feel will be reversed (I think that must certainly happen.. compassion would guide us to that).

What hurts you then is so not real its an illusion that will be reversed.

I dont fear death or suffering any more.


Great wars lie ahead, whether we split from one another with fantastic technology or remain connected as a species somehow in a vast cosmos. For the moment we need one another until the machines get here. After that we can build universes and any life forms lower than us, as we hurtle into power at increasing velocities.

Those crossroads will start to solidify in the mid 2020's unless Superintelligence is built (a few of us are on projects to build it).

I dont know about God and Jesus. The history of God is interwoven with extreme Hope to aid survival in the pre-science era. Theology converts words like Hope to Faith for emphasis.

Religion is 'series of habits', routine. but Religion is many things including tradition, and appeal to the lower brains which dominate out intellect. because we're running on basic programmes like fear and hunger and dominance..

Many atheists have been slaughtered by regions including by Christianity
The philosopher Hypatia was murdered by Christians in Alexandria. Christianity then slaughtered the Greek school.

Rituals are useful, so is singing uplifting songs using the imagination, group bonding, quiet time, including group quiet times, moral affirmations, and fellowship, funeral, birth marriage rituals, and missionary work/ caring for people. Transcendental states are important in Islam and were probably essential for the spread of early Christianity.

I'd be interested in states you have entered. I studied transcendental states, without drugs, and they are powerful delusions. Solving problems demands imagination but intense reaoning abilities I found.

The explanation religions give of origins are a difficulty as religions tend to uphold tradition so dont change like science changes in the presence of new knowledge.

It is almost impossible to de-programme fro a religion ur born into.


But many religions are culpable.

Edited by Innocent, 09 September 2013 - 04:46 PM.

[shadowhawk]

What about a person raised an atheist who became a Theist like Antony Flew? Can they be deprogrammed? Perhaps this is bigotry speaking.

[N.T.M.]

What about a person raised an atheist who became a Theist like Antony Flew? Can they be deprogrammed? Perhaps this is bigotry speaking.

I call that an "argument from apostasy." Clever, don't you think?

[shadowhawk]

What about a person raised an atheist who became a Theist like Antony Flew? Can they be deprogrammed? Perhaps this is bigotry speaking.

I call that an "argument from apostasy." Clever, don't you think?

You entirely missed my point. I wasn't making an argument but asking a question which you haven't answered either.

[N.T.M.]

What about a person raised an atheist who became a Theist like Antony Flew? Can they be deprogrammed? Perhaps this is bigotry speaking.

I call that an "argument from apostasy." Clever, don't you think?

You entirely missed my point. I wasn't making an argument but asking a question which you haven't answered either.

You're right, I know. I was really just making a joke. I have to leave for work soon, but on my next day off I'll read through these posts and post something that actually contributes to the subject matter.

[shadowhawk]

What about a person raised an atheist who became a Theist like Antony Flew? Can they be deprogrammed? Perhaps this is bigotry speaking.

I call that an "argument from apostasy." Clever, don't you think?

You entirely missed my point. I wasn't making an argument but asking a question which you haven't answered either.

You're right, I know. I was really just making a joke. I have to leave for work soon, but on my next day off I'll read through these posts and post something that actually contributes to the subject matter.

Nice Joke. It was so good it didn't even sound like a joke! Only joking.

[N.T.M.]

What about a person raised an atheist who became a Theist like Antony Flew? Can they be deprogrammed? Perhaps this is bigotry speaking.

I call that an "argument from apostasy." Clever, don't you think?

You entirely missed my point. I wasn't making an argument but asking a question which you haven't answered either.

You're right, I know. I was really just making a joke. I have to leave for work soon, but on my next day off I'll read through these posts and post something that actually contributes to the subject matter.

Nice Joke. It was so good it didn't even sound like a joke! Only joking.

Yeah, it's a social quirk that I have. People often think that I'm being serious when really I'm joking. :D

*clears throat* As for the OP's question, I think the best tactic is to solicit funding by gaining public support, and I think the best way to do that is to approach the problem of aging incrementally. People think very inflexibly, so when you asking if somebody would like to achieve biological immortality, the only thing you do is discredit yourself. Instead, you may want to present it in terms of incremental extension ("How about another ten years?"). Apart from the ever-so-common Tithonus error, the only other significant problem that you'd likely encounter is a lack of incentive from a group of rather shallow people. I actually made a blog entry discussing that point. It's here if you're interested in reading it.

Edited by N.T.M., 19 September 2013 - 05:06 AM.