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100% Whey Isolate WiTHOUT ANY Lecithin in it ??? Please Direct me to it, Years of Searching !

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#31 Hebbeh

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 09:42 PM


What were the results of your follow-up with Well Wisdom? Did you have a sample lab tested?


the Result of my follow-up with Well Wisdom is that they are FULL of BS, and that whoever told me there were no additives in it did not actually know that or had real information on hand,

The Results of the tests have confirmed Lecithin content in their product in the range of 1% or MORE

What I can't believe is that is that I still get ripped off on these "supplements", it never ends.



GOOD NEWS is that I found 100% Whey Protein Isolates from NZ which are completely pure, no additives at all in any amounts

PM if you need source


Would you be so kind as to post the actual lab test report?
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:40 AM

Are there any studies that link high intake or any intake of lecithin to diminished bodily functions? If so, then I would like to read them.
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Posted 02 October 2013 - 07:30 PM

Here is the supposedly Cleanest, Purest, and most Solid Whey Isolates on the market right now... http://www.proteinco...protein-powder/

And if anyone "dirties" it, we are coming after you *evil-face*

Enjoy mates !

According to the GM at Proteinco, this product (New Zealand Whey Protein Isolate) cannot be shipped to USA.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 08:05 PM

What were the results of your follow-up with Well Wisdom? Did you have a sample lab tested?


the Result of my follow-up with Well Wisdom is that they are FULL of BS, and that whoever told me there were no additives in it did not actually know that or had real information on hand,

The Results of the tests have confirmed Lecithin content in their product in the range of 1% or MORE

What I can't believe is that is that I still get ripped off on these "supplements", it never ends.



GOOD NEWS is that I found 100% Whey Protein Isolates from NZ which are completely pure, no additives at all in any amounts

PM if you need source


Would you be so kind as to post the actual lab test report?

I visit Longecity to learn. In that vein, the dissemination and sharing of information is paramount to this. I too would like to see the lab results and the source of your completely pure NZ whey, posted to this thread for all to review.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:15 PM

I mixed 1 scoop of Vital Whey in 8 oz of cold water using a blender bottle and my results were identical to the OPs; several inches of foam, that receded after a few minutes. Via email from Larry Sisco the GM at Wisdom Proteins, "if we added lecithin that would cause the whey not to foam, if you were to put milk in a sealed jar and shake it, it would foam, this is natural. We do not add lecithin, or anything that is not listed on the label."

I also purchased samples of all flavors from One World Whey and Whey Natural USA and followed the same protocol (1 scoop protein, 8 oz water, shake in blender bottle), the result was virtually no foaming and almost complete dissolution of the powder.
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#36 hallucinogen

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 10:00 PM

Little UPDATE:

Just received New Zealand Whey 100% from "Proteinco.Ca",
first of all I ordered both their regular Whey Isolates 100% and the New Zealand Whey Isolates 100% just on the side because the Protein Profile for their NZ kind is really lunatic ( it has 1.6 Lysine instead of usual 10+, it has 3.3 Aspartic Acid instead of usual 11+, it has 32 Glutamic Acid instead of usual 19+ (which is an excitotoxin), has 3x less Threonine than usual, and 2x less of Alanine..........

They really screwed up my order by sending me 2x of New Zealand Whey Isolates, instead of 1 regular Whey Isolates and 1 NZ Isolates,
they changed up my order and sent it to me without even asking me or notifying me at all...
I had to go through customer support to remedy the situation, I am lucky that they were willing to see my viewpoint and make it right, but it does not seem like I will ever get to test their regular Whey Isolates now...because

because this NZ Whey Isolates is the 1st protein powder that actually tastes RANCiD/Sour that I have ever tried in over 15 years of trying all kinds of supplements,
not only that, but it made my dizzy, gave me slight nausea and even a slight headache... to tell you the truth, it felt like Glutamate toxicity, similar to MSG

Even thought that this protein powder indeed does not have any Lecithin or emulsifier in it, I noticed Full formed crystals in it of some sort, and that is a big downside, because that means that either some of the amino acids have become free and crystallized during processing (like free Glutamic acid) or something else got through and it is not 100% Whey Isolates anymore...


Long story short, I don't consume any protein powders anymore,
I just eat fresh raw Egg yolks and semi-pasteurized Egg Whites,raw egg whites that are slightly pasteurized in small amount of 100C water (when they combine, the temperature averages out to about 70-80C, and the presence of water prevents egg protein from over-coagulating, you just add the egg whites to water and constantly mix, then pour it out into a cool dish), or sometimes hard-boiled egg whites are pretty good as well with a piece of bread and maybe a little organic butter or glass of organic goat milk+liquid lactase(milk is usually consumed separately, at least 1hours before or after meal because of it's pH buffering effect)
(even though it is pretty high in AGEs, but it's not that high, and AGEs are not nearly as bad as heterocyclic amines (HCA), Beta-Carbolines, etc.)

And before and after a heavy meal like this, you just chew 2-3 leaves of a Dandelion before and after as a tonic to stimulate production of HCL and bile, and promote digestion, also adds a lot of essential vitamins, minerals, and fiber to your diet

Eating raw egg yolks does feel amazing though, so it makes sense to eat about 2 cooked yolks and 2 fresh ones separately throughout a day to balance it out

The total amount of protein consumed daily should never be more than about 50g, and often much less, irrelevant of how active your lifestyle is


Consuming too much protein can cause depressions, sleeplessness and vitamin D deficiency, and lack of vitamin B2, B6 and folic acid, for these are required to process protein.
Consuming prepared proteinaceous food causes many different diseases, like Parkinson's, dementia, cancer ,obesity etc

We got a few independent parties that do lab tests for us on products, but the main portion of what I do is research and self-experimentation, my lifestyle throughout my whole life has been nearly perfectly clean(vegetarian/raw vegan + calorie restriction with minimal to no supplements and regular exercise and yoga), and I possess enough knowledge and experience to tell almost any substance apart and concentration of it by fragrance, touch, taste, and feel, it's physical and chemical properties alone and when mixed with other things

This is the kind of feedback that matters the most, especially to me, because in our world, day and age, it is really hard to trust any labels and marketing, and now even lab results can be tampered with...

So I am more than happy to share as much of information as I may, which is true to the furthest extend of my knowledge and experience, which is vast indeed

Edited by hallucinogen, 02 October 2013 - 10:45 PM.

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#37 hallucinogen

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 10:42 PM

Are there any studies that link high intake or any intake of lecithin to diminished bodily functions? If so, then I would like to read them.


The effects of Lecithin are very obvious in Nature because many of them are physiological and noticed almost immediately if your senses are working and you just listen to your body, and it is pretty simply then to piece things together, I have seen at least a few studies in my life of Lecithin negatively affecting the heart and circulatory system, but most important studies are they ones I conducted myself, so I know exactly what it feels like and what it does to you over time

As I said before, it affects flexibility/elasticity of blood vessels, which make it much harder to sustain a proper blood pressure and retain the full force of heart pumping the blood throughout the whole circulatory system, especially when you are sitting down for a large portion of the day, which most of us do (sitting around in general, even without lecithin consumption is what ultimately slowly kills you in the end)

Not only that, but Lecithin is also a potent emulsifying agent, as you all know, we recycle our own cholesterol, aside from cholesterol we intake from our diet (vegetarians get almost no cholesterol from the diet...), what lecithin does is it emulsifies it in our digestive tract and prevents its absorption, vegetable oils and fibers in bread and grains have a similar effect but to a much lesser extent
The situation gets especially dire if you eat ANY Citrus fruits in your diet, because all those white fibers in citrus fruits are nearly Pure Lecithin !

All of this results in not absorbing enough of the good cholesterol(if Any at all !)... which is a very bad thing


Cholesterol is absolutely not unhealthy, but essential. Decreased blood-cholesterol level causes depressions and sleeplessness, as a warning signal, and also other signs are constant vaso-constriction, feeling cold, and reduced and shallow heart-beat followed by times of rapid heart-beats, and feeling Void or Emptiness/lack of senses and perception.
Dry mucous membranes of Nose and Eyes are another good sign, because they are result of vaso-constriction, everything is interconnected .

The only bad cholesterol is cholesterol that has been oxidized due to the influence of heat.
To prevent vascular diseases, consume as little prepared food in general, and as little prepared animal food in particular.

To prevent depressions and insomnia, and enable maintenance of brain-cells and other organs, consume sufficient fresh raw animal food (like sashimi or fresh raw egg yolk, requiring an hour rest to digest by the way).

Many essential of our hormones are constructed from cholesterol, so it is paramount for proper signalling in our body !




=>Essential Cholesterol:

10 to 20% of the brain is composed of cholesterol. Thanks in part to cholesterol in animal food, humans are as intelligent as they are. Essential substances like the sex hormones and vitamin D are also constructed of cholesterol. Therefore it is absolutely not true that a low cholesterol level is healthier. Just as it isn't true that a low blood-glucose level is healthier. Both a low glucose- and a low cholesterol level are proof that your body lacks nutrients.

When cholesterol level is low, you will get ill sooner.
When cholesterol level is low, it is bad for the liver and the brain.
Adequate cholesterol is so essential that your body warns you with depressions if your cholesterol level is too low. The lower the cholesterol level, the deeper the depression (and the more aggressive). Numerous scientific investigations have shown that the cholesterol level was clearly lower in people who attempted or succeeded in committing suicide.

Serotonin makes you happy. (Prozac is based on the action of serotonin) Cholesterol-products like progesterone, estradiol and testosterone increase serotonin-receptor activity ; a low cholesterol level therefore decreases serotonin-receptor activity.




Because it is that important, the body itself produces most of the required cholesterol.
If you consume lots of cholesterol, the body just produces and also (re-)absorbs less ; One purpose of cholesterol for example, is to be transformed into bile acids, to decompose consumed fats. After digestion these bile acids are re-transformed into cholesterol, dependent on the need for cholesterol.
Logically, it is not a problem at all to consume a number of fresh egg yolks daily ,unless.......
Unless much damaged cholesterol is absorbed.



=>Damaged Cholesteol:

Due to the influence of heat, cholesterol in food is oxidized. Already at 100°C, cholesterol oxidizes 'spontaneously'. Through oxidation, the cholesterol molecules gain or lose atoms, originating new cholesterol-like molecules.
Due to the influence of heat, approximately 30% of cholesterol oxidizes into oxy-cholesterols. About 6% of oxy-cholesterol is absorbed into the body.
Due to heat cholesterol oxidizes into new molecules like 7keto-cholesterol, 7beta-cholesterol, 5beta, 6beta-epoxycholesterol and 5alpha, 6alpha-epoxycholesterol.
Unnatural oxy-cholesterols impair cell-membrane permeability, the functioning of LDL-receptors (causing hypercholesteremia), division of cholesterol among different cell-types, the synthesis of prostaglandin, and cause arteriosclerosis. Excessive 7keto-Cholesterol-, 4alpha- and / or 7beta-hydroxycholesterol can cause vascular diseases.


=>Cholesterol Synthesis:

Oxy-cholesterols also originate in the cholesterol-bile acids cycle, but these natural oxy-cholesterols do inhibit synthesis of cholesterol by the body, to maintain the ideal cholesterol level. Oxy-cholesterols in prepared food, however, are mostly “strange” oxy-cholesterols, and are not 'recognized' by the body. Therefore, most oxy-cholesterols from prepared food do not inhibit cholesterols synthesis, increasing cholesterol level.

Natural oxy-cholesterols, like 24,25(S)-Epoxy cholesterol and 24(S)-Hydroxycholesterol, inhibit production of cholesterol (through mavolanate = pro-cholesterol)


=> Decomposition of Cholesterol:
The combined level of natural (oxy-) cholesterol and unnatural oxy-cholesterols can be further increased by unnatural oxy-cholesterols blocking transformation of cholesterol into bile acids. And most unnatural oxy-cholesterols cannot be transformed into bile acids at all.
Because unnatural oxy-cholesterols cause accumulation of (oxy-) cholesterols, there logically is much damaged cholesterol and -fats in arteriosclerotic plaque. Some of these directly harm arteries.

The transformation of cholesterol into bile acids is regulated through LXRalpha- en LXRbeta-receptors in the liver, which are influenced by oxy-cholesterols like 22®-Hydroxycholesterol, 24(S)-Hydroxycholesterol and 24(S), 25-Epoxycholesterol. 7beta-hydroxycholesterol and 3,5cholestane-7-dione strongly inhibit the transformation of cholesterol into bile acids.
The LXR-receptors regulate 7alpha-hydroxylase- syntheses. This enzyme adds a hydrogen- and an oxygen-atom to cholesterol, originating 7alpha-hydroxycholesterol. Subsequently more substitutions take place where most unnatural oxy-cholesterols are damaged, blocking further adequate transformations, and causing accumulation of cholesterol and oxy-cholesterols. Crystallized cholesterol / oxy-cholesterols become bile stones.
Next through 7alpha-hydroxycholesterol, cholesterols are also transformed into bile acids through 27-hydroxycholesterol and 3beta-hydroxy-5-cholestenonic acid. These transformations also require undamaged cholesterol.
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#38 Hebbeh

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 10:44 PM

Little UPDATE:

Just......am more than happy to share as much of information as I may, which is true to the furthest extend of my knowledge and experience, which is vast indeed


Congrats on aptly choosing an appropriate screen name.
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#39 hallucinogen

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 10:48 PM

Little UPDATE:

Just......am more than happy to share as much of information as I may, which is true to the furthest extend of my knowledge and experience, which is vast indeed


Congrats on aptly choosing an appropriate screen name.


Thank you very much ! It is by far very appropriate, more appropriate than many can even imagine, and I had it since 2001, you just noticed ? :)
Congrats, now let's stick to the topic

Edited by hallucinogen, 02 October 2013 - 10:48 PM.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 01:27 PM

You got any sources to back up what you say? Specifically that you never need more than 50grams of protein regardless of whether you are a pro level athlete or a couch potato?

#41 Hebbeh

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:53 PM

In regards to optimal dietary protein intake, not only does it depend on male, female, age, activity level, and many other individual factors but also on the quality of the protein source in regards to amino acid makeup and individual percentage of essential amino acids and also many key "nonessential" amino acids. 100 grams of protein from a 100 different dietary sources are not going to have the same biological benefit in the body.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 10:56 AM

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