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Pregabalin (Lyrica) for Anxiety

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#1 drg

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:27 PM


So I have taken Pregabalin for about a year and I find it extremely effective for anxiety. It seems to be most effective 150mg - 300mg once at bedtime. But I just got off it to see how things were. I didn't realize that Pregabalin was making me tired, affecting my concentration and making me groggy in the morning. But of course now my anxiety is back and is killing me. I have tried lowering the dose and it doesn't seem particularly effective for my anxiety as well as eliminating the sideeffects.

I was wondering if anyone has tried another anticonvulsant which has helped their anxiety or some other off-label anxiety meds. I don't really want to touch benzos.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:23 PM

None of the other anticonvulsants have much evidence for anxiety and typically are only used as last line treatments in complex polypharmacy to manage a range of disorders. They also tend to have significantly worse side effects. The only other anticonvulstant that I would touch for anxiety is gabapentin but I don't expect it would be as effective.

There are plenty of on license medications that come with less side effects and a fair few effectively on license (those that are prescribed either or to replace those on license). Benzo's should be avoided unless its absolutely necessary and if you are trying to avoid the side effects of sleepiness etc they will be worse than the Pregabalin. You could always try adding something stimulating to pregabalin but I wouldn't recommend it (Modafinil is likely the best choice). Before you look at anything else spreading the dose throughout the day as is standard may be more useful taking three smaller dosages instead of one at night.

In part it depends on what disorder you suffer from as to which meds are best chosen and that's disregarding the use of psycho-social interventions which apart from OCD are often more effective - in particular for panic disorder.

Panic disorder is best treated by a combination of SSRI's (paroxetine, Sertraline or fluoxetine are best) and CBT (sometimes IPT is appropriate) with a short course of Benzo's if required.
Generalized anxiety disorder is best treated by SSRI's (paroxetine, Sertraline or fluoxetine are best), SNRI's, Buspirone or Pregabalin and CBT (sometimes IPT is better).
OCD tends to be more treatment refractory. Psycho-social interventions tend to stand between remission and 'under-control' but often more complex drug combinations need to be used alongside longer psychotherapy 12-16 sessions of CBT (with a focus on behavioral interventions). OCD respond almost souly to Serotonergic drugs - Escitalopram being the only truly Serotonergic drug is typically chosen first. If that fails higher than suggested doses is normally recommend 30-50mg or a switch to Sertraline at 200-400mg. Following that either the addition of low dose sedating atypical antipsychotics, Mirtazapine or switching to clomipramine. The addition of Pregabalin, Buspirone or a switch to Venlafaxine are also valid but less evidence based options. In the most severely treatment resistant cases combinations like Clomipramine, and any two of Pregabalin/Buspirone/L-Tryptophan/Trazadone/Mirtazapine/AAP's/Escitalopram and as needed Clonazepam (up to 5mg/day) are combined with long term CBT (50 or more sessions) or hospitalization with a focus on CBT. Sometimes Phenalzine is used (often in combination with Aripirpazole or Quetiapine).

I would recommend you get yourself 6-12 sessions of CBT alongside starting Escitalopram/Sertraline (waiting 2-4/8 weeks) and then reducing the Pregabalin slowly.

Where as GAD and Panic Disorder tend to start to respond to SSRI's and the like in the normal time frame (2-4 weeks) OCD can take 12+ weeks before significant improvements are seen.

Edited by Tom_, 13 December 2013 - 11:24 PM.

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#3 drg

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 03:31 AM

Thanks for the info that no other anticonvulsants work well for anxiety.

I have tried an SSRI I believe it was Escitalopram, I don't think it did much of anything.

I suppose for now I will try taking multiple doses of Lyrica to see if I can avoid the side-effects which I am doubtful.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:13 AM

Hi, I just thought I'd say, I've had social anxiety and GAD from a very young age. I have tried lots but have had the best results recently with magnesium and theanine. Inositol was good but I couldn't afford the large amounts ( although I did lose a few pound into the bargain :-)). I also meditate daily and use CBT techniques. I'm not there yet but its a significant improvement.
Also, alcohol worsens anxiety is you are a drinker.
I had to come off lyrica very slowly, its a nightmare and has to be titrated down. Half some of the capsules when you get low enough.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 02:09 PM

Often SSRI's fail - in particular the first one tried.

The most common reasons for pseudo-resistance to SSRI treatment are:
Insufficient dose
Insufficient length of treatment (an SSRI shouldn't be discontinued until at minimum of 8 weeks and 10 weeks is normally better (OCD is a minimum of 12 weeks)
Misdiagnosed
unrecognized co-morbidity (psychiatric, neurological or other general medical condition)

Treatment response to SSRI's in anxiety disorders are estimated to be between 60-75% if the above are well managed.

Another option you could try is Trazadone (sedative antidepressant with SSRI features but taken at night after a brief period of more significant sedation taken at night will normally not interfer in the morning) or Buspirone.

Buspirone is the only drug that is approved only as an anxyolitic (I think). Its very effective but tends to cause sedation and othosatic hypotension, however a low dose is more tolerable and in combo with Pregabalin could be as effective as an SSRI.

You can combine a more activating SSRI (Fluoxetine or Sertraline) with Pregabalin.

Splitting Pregabalin isn't a great idea because you will absorb it quicker leading to more effect but for less time.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:52 PM

I'm thinking:
- a mix of pregabalin and gabapentin might help. Reasoning: you can lower pregabalin dose so that you get less of the mind-numbing effect, while only adding a low dosage of gabapentin, so that you can get additive therepeutic effects but not an increase in side effects. There's no guarantee here, it might be just as bad. I've tried it and it seemed better but jury is still out for me on this one, I'll update later.

- if you're looking to go the Anticonvulsant route , Oxcarbazepine might work. I found this to be a *seemingly* less toxic, more calming , and less destructive version of lithium, working out the kinks of anxiety. ( I am not actually sure that it's less toxic. It may be in some ways, while perhaps more toxic in others, depending on your reaction).. However again my jury is out on this one because I only had very limited experience with it. Still was a lot better than the big bad benzos.

I know it seems odd to some why you'd ask for anticonvulsant options, but honestly I understand. I seem to benefit from the same class of meds, though obviously you wouldn't want something too dangerous. Obviously popping dilantins isn't really a good idea. Neither is it great to pop lamictal for a couple of days only to notice your skin is red as fuck and burning like hell. (i think it would have worked out nicely for me if it werent for that)

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:04 PM

- if you're looking to go the Anticonvulsant route , Oxcarbazepine might work. I found this to be a *seemingly* less toxic, more calming , and less destructive version of lithium, working out the kinks of anxiety. ( I am not actually sure that it's less toxic. It may be in some ways, while perhaps more toxic in others, depending on your reaction).. However again my jury is out on this one because I only had very limited experience with it. Still was a lot better than the big bad benzos.

I know it seems odd to some why you'd ask for anticonvulsant options, but honestly I understand. I seem to benefit from the same class of meds, though obviously you wouldn't want something too dangerous. Obviously popping dilantins isn't really a good idea. Neither is it great to pop lamictal for a couple of days only to notice your skin is red as fuck and burning like hell. (i think it would have worked out nicely for me if it werent for that)


Yeah it just seemed sort of logical that because pregabalin worked well for me that perhaps another type of anticonvulsant might have less side effects.

Thanks for your experience on Oxcarbazepine. Also did you notice any anti-anxiety effects of lactimal or you didn't have time to judge?

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 08:11 AM

Hi, I just thought I'd say, I've had social anxiety and GAD from a very young age. I have tried lots but have had the best results recently with magnesium and theanine. Inositol was good but I couldn't afford the large amounts ( although I did lose a few pound into the bargain :-)). I also meditate daily and use CBT techniques. I'm not there yet but its a significant improvement.
Also, alcohol worsens anxiety is you are a drinker.
I had to come off lyrica very slowly, its a nightmare and has to be titrated down. Half some of the capsules when you get low enough.


I agree, I have GAD as well and theanine is one of the best things I ever tried that is not bad for you and can be used long term. Drinking lots of tea have the same effect. Magnesium I take daily also but have not felt and noticeable effect from it.

When things are really stressful I use other herbals like Ashwagandha and Kratom. I'm currently recovering from adrenal fatigue so using Ashwagandha daily now for some months ahead.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 08:16 AM

Hi, I just thought I'd say, I've had social anxiety and GAD from a very young age. I have tried lots but have had the best results recently with magnesium and theanine. Inositol was good but I couldn't afford the large amounts ( although I did lose a few pound into the bargain :-)). I also meditate daily and use CBT techniques. I'm not there yet but its a significant improvement.
Also, alcohol worsens anxiety is you are a drinker.
I had to come off lyrica very slowly, its a nightmare and has to be titrated down. Half some of the capsules when you get low enough.


I agree, I have GAD as well and theanine is one of the best things I ever tried that is not bad for you and can be used long term. Drinking lots of tea have the same effect. Magnesium I take daily also but have not felt and noticeable effect from it.

When things are really stressful I use other herbals like Ashwagandha and Kratom. I'm currently recovering from adrenal fatigue so using Ashwagandha daily now for some months ahead.




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