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[GreenLemon]

Hi,

While people take fish oil and all that OK.

what is it that when you become to this "drug seeking" thing. its like you are seeking a drug out.... and even that the drug/supplements/etc (all that stuff), becomes more "important", almost like you need it to survive?

now this may not be regarding you..


but you know really like.... when you start researching the drugs and all that and trying to take them this that and the other and all that. like is there something else wrong? that's causing that?.


like its like your seeking the drug or other ingredients or something ? what could be the cause of that?.


because its like deep inside my brain something was tagged (some years ago), and its like the drugs (including all rx/non-rx/etc all that stuff, supplements,nootropics,etc. and as I am living on this earth and as I am alive as a human; it is like the supplements/drugs/etc were tagged in my brain (note; not the drugs itself, but the 'survival value' of them), so I will go out and research or find new drugs and all that?.
or you know the people that change (like on bodybuilding), they start exercising like crazy to get the muscle, working out, taking steroids,etc. (maybe of course just like no control etc?)

but could that be the same in some other peoples case? or whats happening really?

[beatsme]

For an interesting take on addiction, I'd suggest reading about the Rat Park drug experiment.

This comic provides an accessible introduction: http://www.stuartmcm...cs_en/rat-park/

[mrd1]

I seek out extensive use of pharmacology because it allows me to have compounds that can act like precise surgical implements so fine I can work on myself day after day in a controlled manner on a molecular, cellular, and structural level. If some people wish to to not ingest chemicals for religion or personal opinion that's fine by me and I support their right to do so. However, I have made the choice based on extensive research that extends over 10,000 hours on the brain (after reading Malcom Gladwell and listening to Macklemore's 10,000 hours; and, looking up to them as well as people like Paul Bloom, Ramon Cajal, Sigmund Freud, Zimbardo , Masters and Johnson, Picciotto, Segev, Sapolsky, etc in middle school and all throughout highschool because, I thought what they would talk about was really cool). Not all use of chemicals are addictions as in order to officially be a addiction it has to cause significant harm to the individual or society, distressing, destructive, or causing dysfunction to the individual. Which is why many so called "addictions" have failed to make it into the DSM until further evidence can be supplied.

By applying biology, chemistry, and mathematics I believe I can introduce compounds to my body to cause changes of great value. Just as your free to refuse things because its your body. I believe I am free to do extensive research and put things in my body because, I find they improve my life greatly.

Edited by mrd1, 16 March 2014 - 04:17 PM.

[GreenLemon]

I seek out extensive use of pharmacology because it allows me to have compounds that can act like precise surgical implements so fine I can work on myself day after day in a controlled manner on a molecular, cellular, and structural level. If some people wish to to not ingest chemicals for religion or personal opinion that's fine by me and I support their right to do so. However, I have made the choice based on extensive research that extends over 10,000 hours on the brain (after reading Malcom Gladwell and listening to Macklemore's 10,000 hours; and, looking up to them as well as people like Paul Bloom, Ramon Cajal, Sigmund Freud, Zimbardo , Masters and Johnson, Picciotto, Segev, Sapolsky, etc in middle school and all throughout highschool because, I thought what they would talk about was really cool). Not all use of chemicals are addictions as in order to officially be a addiction it has to cause significant harm to the individual or society, distressing, destructive, or causing dysfunction to the individual. Which is why many so called "addictions" have failed to make it into the DSM until further evidence can be supplied.

By applying biology, chemistry, and mathematics I believe I can introduce compounds to my body to cause changes of great value. Just as your free to refuse things because its your body. I believe I am free to do extensive research and put things in my body because, I find they improve my life greatly.

If you think that I have confused you then I will try to change my words for you, what I was trying to ask was the feeling/urge some may feel for the use of drugs and this is a real possibility , maybe not in your case but others on the forum need to discuss it.

[GreenLemon]

Hi mrd1,

Please just think again. My question was NOT a anti-drug. In fact hey drugs are great. I like them, but from my point of view I am spending a lot of "concern" over drugs, such as researching when I could be doing many other things such as study. I would like to switch my main focus from all this "drug research/etc" to my current studying.

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[ElixirOfLife]

I think it has to do with an attempt to re-create a positive experience. When we feel something nice there is a reward mechanism that kicks in, and the brain loves reward mechanisms. There's many on here that are looking for the magical drug combination that will make them feel that way all the time. It becomes an endless chase though. It's pretty obvious from the numerous supplement stack threads out there that don't really work. People take them and I see a lot of questions as to whether or not it's working for them.

If someone can show a stack that's actually working well for them I'd be curious to know what are the common components of that stack that has truly increased your sense of well being, more than better nutrition and exercise alone would accomplish.

I'm not referring to single supplements like Rhodiola or Bacopa. Those are proven to work. I'm talking about the "panacea" stacks, which I believe are sought after because people are looking for more than they'll ever get from a supplement.

I think it has to do with an attempt to re-create a positive experience. When we feel something nice there is a reward mechanism that kicks in, and the brain loves reward mechanisms. There's many on here that are looking for the magical drug combination that will make them feel that way all the time. It becomes an endless chase though. It's pretty obvious from the numerous supplement stack threads out there that don't really work. People take them and I see a lot of questions as to whether or not it's working for them.

If someone can show a stack that's actually working well for them I'd be curious to know what are the common components of that stack that has truly increased your sense of well being, more than better nutrition and exercise alone would accomplish.

I'm not referring to single supplements like Rhodiola or Bacopa. Those are proven to work. I'm talking about the "panacea" stacks, which I believe are sought after because people are looking for more than they'll ever get from a supplement.

[GreenLemon]

I think it has to do with an attempt to re-create a positive experience. When we feel something nice there is a reward mechanism that kicks in, and the brain loves reward mechanisms. There's many on here that are looking for the magical drug combination that will make them feel that way all the time. It becomes an endless chase though. It's pretty obvious from the numerous supplement stack threads out there that don't really work. People take them and I see a lot of questions as to whether or not it's working for them.

If someone can show a stack that's actually working well for them I'd be curious to know what are the common components of that stack that has truly increased your sense of well being, more than better nutrition and exercise alone would accomplish.

I'm not referring to single supplements like Rhodiola or Bacopa. Those are proven to work. I'm talking about the "panacea" stacks, which I believe are sought after because people are looking for more than they'll ever get from a supplement.

I think it has to do with an attempt to re-create a positive experience. When we feel something nice there is a reward mechanism that kicks in, and the brain loves reward mechanisms. There's many on here that are looking for the magical drug combination that will make them feel that way all the time. It becomes an endless chase though. It's pretty obvious from the numerous supplement stack threads out there that don't really work. People take them and I see a lot of questions as to whether or not it's working for them.

If someone can show a stack that's actually working well for them I'd be curious to know what are the common components of that stack that has truly increased your sense of well being, more than better nutrition and exercise alone would accomplish.

I'm not referring to single supplements like Rhodiola or Bacopa. Those are proven to work. I'm talking about the "panacea" stacks, which I believe are sought after because people are looking for more than they'll ever get from a supplement.

Yes, thank you. that is my point/question.

Like, sure you get people that buy lets say fish oil and think not that much of it (as in, like its common sense).

but then, others maybe, its like you feel you are searching/looking for a drug or something, like you need this point or this reset or something ?

[hippocampus]

narcissism is the cause of orthorexia/bigorexia/hypochondria and similar states (and capitalism/consumerism is the cause of narcissism). otoh, our society has such negative influence on our health (physical and mental) that we do many of these things (supplements, exercise ...) more intentionaly than we would in some other times (even if narcisissm would be at the same level).

[Godof Smallthings]

It is not so difficult. Many if not most humans have a feeling that something is missing in their lives, and we believe that we must search the external world to find the missing pieces in our particular life puzzle. We will at some point in life have peak experiences that leave us wanting more. If we achieve these with drugs, then we may keep seeking out drugs to get to the same place.

And we also tend to believe if we only achieve this or that, get this or that object, person or experience, we will be happy and content. But once we achieve or obtain that which we thought we wanted, we find that feeling we sought is just temporary, so we keep seeking.

Sorry if I am preachy, but I think the truth is that it is not about externals, but about finding a sense of contentment and balance inside and to do stuff that aligns with our deepest wants and values, that we may not be fully aware of until we earnestly start searching for them, because most of society is busy trying to convince you to buy the version of canned happiness that they benefit from.

Quick fixes do not achieve 'it', they only dull you or energize you temporarily, and then you are back with the usual 'hole' in your existence that is egging you on towards new things.

I've tried noots and while some of them are moderately helpful for some things none of them have been as useful as daily exercise and meditation - so my search right now is to engage in mental training instead, in order to achieve heightened awareness and flow in my everyday life.

Edited by Godof Smallthings, 17 March 2014 - 11:13 AM.

[mrd1]

I don't see the point in being content with poverty and just make no strides at all to further science or medicine and instead just be content with mediocrity... Exercise and herbs and meditation are great but they can't fix everything.