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[advancedatheist]

If the stronghold of the Inquisition can spontaneously lose belief in the supernatural, then the U.S. has hope as well. It doesn't necessarily translate into a greater openness towards Immortalism, however:

http://www.nytimes.c...7cd5661&ei=5070

As Spaniards Lose Their Religion, Church Leaders Struggle to Hold On

By SAMUEL LOEWENBERG
Published: June 26, 2005
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Religion is rapidly losing strength and influence in politics here. Even though this country was once the global bastion of conservative Catholicism, gay marriage is expected to become legal this month, under the most liberal such law in all of Europe.

This presents a particularly troubling challenge for the Catholic Church, whose new pope, Benedict XVI, has expressed a strong concern about the decline of religious feeling throughout Europe. Northern Europe has a long history of secularism, but southern Europe is now catching up, with the changes in Spain particularly profound, swift and sometimes jarring....

"For the majority of Spaniards, in everyday life and in politics, we have almost a shameful situation," said the Rev. Leopoldo Vives Soto, who heads the secretariat on family and life for the Spanish Conference of Bishops. "There is social prestige in agnosticism and atheism and in rejecting the church's teachings."

[Cyto]

Excellent.

[advancedatheist]

I wonder if an atheistic Spanish government will offer to pay reparations some day to descendants of all the people the religious governments in that country have screwed. You'd have quite a list of claimants: Sephardic Jews, Moors, Arabs, Latin American Indians, European protestants during the Thirty Years' War.... The Brits could probably pass because their ancestors defeated the Spanish Armada without too much expense to themselves.

Yeah, Spanish christianity has a lot to answer for.

[Mind]

Yeah, Spanish christianity has a lot to answer for.

To quote from the movie The Unforgiven:"We all got it coming"

The is no country in the world that is innocent. I think all this apologizing and reparations for things hundreds of years old perpetrated by people who are long since dead is ridiculous. My German ancestors were slaughtered by the Romans. I am not asking for an apology. My German ancestors also fought many bloody battles with the Czechs over a small area of southwest Germany. People were killed, tortured, and forcibly evicted from their homes. It went back and forth for hundreds of years. I am not askng for reparations.

Back to the subject, I think it is only natural for southern Europe to catch up to the rest of the continent. Sadly you are correct about the fact the atheism does not automatically generate more immortalists (there are a lot of green luddites in socialist countries), however, I think our ideas will more easily penetrate the country with this turning of ideology.

[advancedatheist]

Back to the subject, I think it is only natural for southern Europe to catch up to the rest of the continent.  Sadly you are correct about the fact the atheism does not automatically generate more immortalists (there are a lot of green luddites in socialist countries), however, I think our ideas will more easily penetrate the country with this turning of ideology.

Cryonics already has a beachhead in Spain thanks to the wealthy and respected Comos family, unless they've dropped out. I haven't heard anything about them lately.

[nihilist]

its strange to see a member of a board and movement so small, laud ppl following the herd.