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"Scientists Induce Lucid Dreaming With Electrical Stimulation"

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#1 LexLux

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 02:54 AM


"Scientists Induce Lucid Dreaming With Electrical Stimulation"

 

May 13, 2014 | by Stephen Luntz http://www.iflscienc...cal-stimulation

 

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photo credit: Those inspired by Inception to hunger for lucid dreams have been offered hope

 
 
"[...] Nature Neuroscience Dr Ursula Voss of the Johann Wolfgang Goethe University:
 
[...]"Lucid dreaming is a very good tool to observe what happens in the brain and what is causally necessary for secondary consciousness," says Voss. She has found that the brainwaves produced by people who subsequently report experiencing lucid dreams fall somewhere between those of REM-sleep and wakefulness. The frontal and temporal lobes of the brain, responsible for most of what we think of as higher thinking, show lower frequency gamma waves, 25-40Hz, thought to be associated with conscious attention.
 
While this may be of interest to sleep researchers, Voss's work is reaching a wider audience since she and Professor J Allan Hobson of Harvard applied electrical stimulation to 27 participants hoping to replicate the same mixture of brainwaves. Voss and Hobson waited until their subjects were showing the signs of REM sleep to apply stimulation to the scalp at various frequencies double blinded from researchers and sleepers alike.
 
Despite the participants never having reported lucid dreaming before, when given pulses between 25 and 40Hz brain activity at the same frequency was observed. Higher and lower frequencies had no such effect. When woken 5-10 seconds later some of the subjects given the 25-40Hz reported having been aware that they were dreaming. 
 
"The key finding is that you can, surprisingly, by scalp stimulation, influence the brain. And you can influence the brain in such a way that a sleeper, a dreamer, becomes aware that he is dreaming," says Hobson. He considers the work of most relevance to psychiatric research adding, "As a model for mental illness, understanding lucid dreaming is absolutely crucial. I would be cautious about interpreting the results as of direct relevance to the treatment of medical illnesses, but [it's] certainly a step in the direction of understanding how the brain manages to hallucinate and be deluded." The authors see potential for lucid dreaming to help people with post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) or otherwise prone to nightmares to get their fears under control.
 
While Hobson's thoughts may be on high minded uses, marketers will be rubbing their hands at the idea of sleeping caps that promise the capacity to dream our choice of dreams, creating temporary worlds each of us can rule."
 

Read more at http://www.iflscienc...KkYhZgjD4TBA.99


Edited by LexLux, 14 May 2014 - 03:02 AM.

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#2 Lewis Carroll

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 03:45 AM

An extremely interesting study. My news feed on Facebook has been blown up with related articles all day. I think Lucid Dreaming is absolutely fascinating. Particularly since I have a deep interest in consciousness, lucid dreaming is naturally of great interest to me. However, even for well practiced lucid dreamers, consistently going/staying lucid is quite difficult. Being able to induce guaranteed lucidity is beyond exciting to me. Now I just need to look further into the exact device that would be used to do so...



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#3 MadScientistX

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:14 AM

Indeed a very interesting study. I remember trying to learn to lucid dream when I was young. Some good times.

 

I think they used a simple low voltage/amp electrical current generator which can be targeted to the specific frequencies required.

They are usually attached the the scalp via electrode.

Very similar or possible the same as the devices used in an attempt to stimulate hair growth.

Be aware though attaching any device to your head whose electrode circuit is not properly isolated from the power mains is extremely dangerous and can have deadly consequences.

See here as an example of an "electrical scalp stimulator":

http://www.alibaba.c...1549348510.html

 

It got me thinking however, I know there are a lot of isochronic tones available for lucid dreaming. Not sure what frequency they usually use or if this study would be reproducible at all using sound waves.

Out of curiosity I made up a couple of MP3 files with isochronic tones in the 25-40Hz frequency range.

They can be downloaded below:

 

The files both simply start at 25Hz and ramp up over the course of an hour to 40Hz.

This is my first attempt at making isochronic tones :)

1) Sine Wave 25Hz - 40Hz Ramp:  

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m6jjfoqpwke1oux/Isochronic%20Louder.mp3

2) Pink Noise 25Hz - 40Hz Ramp:  

https://www.dropbox.com/s/86jageu7uisf4zr/Isochronic%20Pink.mp3

Hopefully they are not too soft.

 

Would be very interested if anyone has any success with them.

 

Note: Use these at your own voluntary discretion. They have not been trialled or tested in any way. By downloading or using these sound files you do so completely at your own risk and you are aware of any possible inherent risk.

 

 


Edited by MadScientistX, 14 May 2014 - 11:15 AM.

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#4 turchin

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 01:23 PM

It would be interesting to record actual EEG of lucid dreamer and than send it back via electric current stimulation.

 

Also I always have a suspicion that binaural beats are working not because of sound but because of magnetic stimulation from coils of poorly isolated head speakers. This could explain why they works only for some people and not for others. You may need low quality speakers with large coils.



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#5 MadScientistX

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 12:06 AM

So I tried to fall asleep using my isochronic tones..... Well lets just say that was exceedingly difficult.

I have created 2 modified versions. Each of these has a 30 minute delay to allow you to fall asleep before it kicks in for one hour.

Alternatively set your alarm for your desired length of time before falling asleep and use the original as the alarm tone. Ideally you want to reach REM sleep when this kicks in.

 

Downloads below:

1) Sine Wave 25Hz - 40Hz Ramp (no delay):  

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m6jjfoqpwke1oux/Isochronic%20Louder.mp3

2) Sine Wave 25Hz - 40Hz Ramp (30 min delay):  

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jccuaf20qn84w51/Isochronic%20Louder%20Delay.mp3

3) Pink Noise 25Hz - 40Hz Ramp (no delay):  

https://www.dropbox.com/s/86jageu7uisf4zr/Isochronic%20Pink.mp3
4) Pink Noise 25Hz - 40Hz Ramp (30 min delay): 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iqttyhvuxnnvmoh/Isochronic%20Pink%20Delay.mp3

Again: Use these at your own voluntary discretion. They have not been trialled or tested in any way. By downloading or using these sound files you do so completely at your own risk and you are aware of any possible inherent risk.

 

Let me know if any feedback good or bad

 


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