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[psudoname]

You assume everyone will think as you. And have you noticed that some countries are at peace with each other, yet they spy on them (trade market, political action, etc). The whole reason we have been able to achieve so much (apart from our frontal lobe), is because we can harness and channel that hunger for power into other areas. If you take that away, we would achieve nothing (and likely a substantial portion of the brain).

So channel it into other areas! Into art, science, wargames.. but not real war.

Isn't the power to stop death better then the power to cause it?

Because to merge my consciousness with everyone, so that there is no distinction between any...it prevents allows others to see the falseness in their actions, and to remove the doubt they have of how others view them.

If between the 1300's and the 1600's (and even into the 1950's) people from all europe, spain etc. were all made to pray to God, on penalty of death (or imprisonment and torture (except 1700's onwards)) with an ever threatening Inquisition, and even Crusades, why should they care if the focus of their belief be shifted (though they would have to be condiioned and such)?

Merge your consiousness, and you cease to exist.

And the Inquisition was evil. We should be moving forwards.

An AI wouldn't want to do anything but survive. Even being an AI can't give them complex emotions like us. It would only have basic instincts (like a need for social interaction) and such (though even that would need to be programmed in).

How do you come to that conclusion? Theoretically an AI could do anything we could do. I just think it wanting power to survive, grow would be the most natural and logical aim. But it could be programmed to be illogical.

[manowater989]

I hate to brake it to you, but if anyone's going to be close to the 40k Emperor in real life, trust me, it'll be me. I'm surprised how many people have heard of and often refer to something that I thought was pretty more obscure than this. Anyways, as far as the Emperor from 40k goes, who cares that he was crippled by Horus? He psychically maintains vast power beyond that of any human in much of the galaxy (Astronimican), who needs a body, he's ascended to become a god in the Warp, worshipped by trillions. He's also effectively immortal, which brings us full circle back to what these forums were about in the first place...

[cyric]

As a security professional, I would see this as my brain being part of a vast network, much like the Internet. I would therefore want lots of security, firewalls, virus scanners, spam blockers, integrity checkers, etc., to protect my brain from being disrupted. I don't want to lose control and ownership over my own mind.

No, I mean NO divisions of minds, no barriers, no different consciousness', no different personalities, just a TOTAL and complete merging of consciousness to be ONE. It would be impossible to distinguish yourself from another, to see where they end and you begin.

Posted on Jul 30 2005-04:24 I hate to brake it to you, but if anyone's going to be close to the 40k Emperor in real life, trust me, it'll be me. I'm surprised how many people have heard of and often refer to something that I thought was pretty more obscure than this. Anyways, as far as the Emperor from 40k goes, who cares that he was crippled by Horus? He psychically maintains vast power beyond that of any human in much of the galaxy (Astronimican), who needs a body, he's ascended to become a god in the Warp, worshipped by trillions. He's also effectively immortal, which brings us full circle back to what these forums were about in the first place...

Amusing to say the least...what (other than your super inflated ego) makes you think that you can compete for my destiny?

[manowater989]

If I told you precisely what I was going to do to achieve this end and even beyond, there might be a chance, however slim, that you could duplicate the steps I'm going to take in order to ascend, so of course I won't be taking THAT particular risk, but once again, I must refer you to my earlier general attitude: YOUR destiny? uh....ha...huh-hah.....nooo. I have long suspected there may be a few out there who would have a mind to try to compete with me for the Throne of God that, by the very cyclical nature of time, is rightfully mine, and if they are to be found, it would certainly be in places like this where one would look. But I ask you, what understanding of the technologies necessary to achieve such a transcendence do you have a complex working understanding of? Exactly which are you working on now: is it nanotechnology, or maybe it's super-high-energy chronospacial fluidics and manipulation? Or, no wait, could it be......yeah, watching animes and playing tabletop miniature games. I got some inspiration from that stuff, sure, years back, but now I, who have a unique combination of creativity, insights into the inner workings of reality, and raw intelligence not shared by any other of the trillions of other people who have ever, do now, or will ever live, making me the "Chosen One"- cliched but true, have gotten down to serious work on technology most can't even conceive of. And that, my friend, can make you god, not japanese cartoons.

[cyric]

Ha...you total and utter fool. While it is true that I looked to animes, stories and games for inspiration of such things, I have not the mind of a child, and to think you are capable of such things is ludicrous. Also, to think you are the only one capable of such designs is obviously the downfall brought unto you by your immense ego. The theory I was working on was biomolecular energisation, however I will tell you no more than this (MY destiny shall not be shared).

No doubt you have your feeble minded and DELUDED ideas at achieving my (yes, MY) destiny, an ascension to the Golden Throne (the place and point I will ascend from), to take my place as God and to be the One and the Infinite. You couldn't even begin to comprehend such magnitudes of complexity, let alone over come them.

I cannot feel threatened by you, as you are simply a fool and madman. As you will see (though not "see"), you will die in your pathetic attempts.

Keep your madness, I will transcend your entire comprehension (which is rather limited) of existence (and far beyond) while YOU will wither, you will wain, and you will die.

Edited by cyric, 06 August 2005 - 01:24 PM.

[psudoname]

Exactly which are you working on now: is it nanotechnology, or maybe it's super-high-energy chronospacial fluidics and manipulation?

super-high-energy chronospacial fluidics?

Is that building a Tardis?

So what are you working on ?

but now I, who have a unique combination of creativity, insights into the inner workings of reality, and raw intelligence not shared by any other of the trillions of other people who have ever, do now, or will ever live, making me the "Chosen One"

Really. I thought I had those qualities too.

No doubt you have your feeble minded and DELUDED ideas at achieving the my (yes, MY) destiny, an ascension to the Golden Throne (the place and point I will ascend from), to take my place as God and to be the One and the Infinite. You couldn't even begin to comprehend such magnitudes of complexity, let alone over come them.

BWWA HA HA HA HA indeed.

Let's not compeate. We can rule together. Like Gork and Mork maybe.

[cyric]

Only if you have information that I require and can't get other wise. manowater989 would likely snuff you at the first possible chance. I am however less inclined. But his "insights" (I call them visions of a delusional mind) are less than credible, as no one can understand even half of it's workings. Besides, he's just throwing fancy words about that he had to look up, so as to trouble someone.

[manowater989]

Some of the things you say are true: no one else CAN understand even half of my mind's workings, but not because it is delusional: what you would consider delusions are in fact the insights that no-one else can perceive. I realize you might say that you would expect me to claim something like this and that it's simply my perception BECAUSE I am delusional; alas, skepticism is no tonic for truth, and my truths are truths whether you believe them or not, time will be the test of that, and show it forth for any to see.

Also, it is true that I will prevent anyone or anything that stood between me and my return to what I once was and shall again be: the Source and the All- this human life is just a temporary exile for me. No, we shall not share power, and I do not anticipate a competition, though if there is one, I will win- as it was, shall it ever be.

However, unlike this lunatic-acting demon, I will not be some cruel, wicked, enslaving god who erases everyone's individuality and forces them all into some kind of hellish hive-mind, in fact, that is the very direction I am trying to fight against. I will be a good and benevolent god who erases suffering and brings pleasure, freedom, intelligence, information, energy, life, experience, diversity, opportunity, and growth.

I did not "have to look" up any of the concepts I cited, I have an intimate operational understanding of nearly every facet of the concepts I refer to. Super-high-energy chronospacial fluidics is not a joke or a made-up sci-fi concept: granted, it's still theoretical at this point and has never actually been observed, but neither have black holes, still, contrary to the belief of many.
It was a new branch of extreme theoretical physics proposed by, Verschumen, I think, I forget exactly who. Basically, it is a branch of physics which involves the use of energy lenses (sort of theoretical grandchildren of the most advanced particle accelerators we can conceive of) to concentrate astronomical amounts of mass/energy (it doesn't matter which for these purposes) in very small areas and controlling the precise distribution and application of this mass/energy to warp that space-time in a particular way. Using this, you can "reprogram" the fabric of reality itself, within that area, on a fundamental level, rewrite the laws of physics, destroy or create new matter- you have complete control of existence, on a rudimentary level. However, according to the principles of ST-Tech theory, in a form of technological acceleration similar to that experienced with nanotechnology, once you have that basic ability to alter reality, you can then take pieces of space-time itself, move them around, attach them to others: literally use it as a building material: you then take that fact and use it to expand the area that you can control: you build constructs out of the fabric of space-time itself, which then go on to build more precise and efficient constructs. Ultimately, there is no aspect of reality you cannot control and you simply link your consciousness to these systems which control existence itself, and by this point, they are self-sustaining, the original energy lenses are no longer necessary, and before I know it, I'm everywhere, I'm everything, I created the universe, it now turns out, since I'm there at that time and I'm doing it, I even watch my mortal self start to build the devices that will allow him to become the me that I am now: I AM the Source and the All- I'm God.

Of course, you have no idea how to do this, and I haven't and will not mention anything of how I would go about actually achieving these technologies....I am Josh, and there is no Josh but Josh!

[cyric]

Your geeky maniacal antics are amusing to say the least. If I truly was worried about you, all I'd have to do is find out your full name, where you live, print out your posts here, go to your nearest mental health clinic and say you're a danger to the community and they will take you into "protective custody", and you wouldn't be released for a long while.

Where are you going to get the money to fund the project? Something like that would be in the media, and I could simply steal or destroy it.

And it's known be a much simpler name (the theory that is), but you ARE trying impress people, so you needn't bother looking it up.

No, you are no God. You're just a very sad and DELUDED person who got picked on at school and now wants revenge. If anyone could possibly accomplish it, it's Me.

And just to annoy you, you can be My Pontiff. Ha, that'd be funny.

What I will do is either ascension, or group consciousness. When the time comes, I'll let you decide for me (though I might decide otherwise).

Besides, there are more scientific fields there than you can master to be able to build it. A failing of your inferior mind. That, and you should keep an open mind to all other transhumanist technologies for application.

That theory would need some work however. Because if you did that, you would end up with opposingly charged matter (see the Dirac theory), cancelling eachother out so as for you to simply fade you out of existence.

[manowater989]

I'll be sure to worry plenty about someone who can't even even string together every third sentence in correct, legible english "known --be-- a much simpler name"? Was that suppose to read "by", or are you just illiterate? Don't forget to "find out my real name and where I live", since I'm sure you could do that (cough), so you can come here and do something about me. I could say the same thing about you, you claim to be able to become god as well. Where am I going to get funding? And I would end up with "opposingly charged matter?" No, actually, I wouldn't end up with any kind of matter, and even if I did, so what? "opposingly", which isn't even a real word, by the way, charged matter just creates electrical charge.

You're not going to do any of those things, but sure, I'll make certain to worry more about YOU than the government, rival corporations, or scientists. Check. Now shut the hell up and sit there and waste your stupid time whilst I inevitably become what I was and shall ever be, God. The overly strained and painfully affected style of your writing betrays you as a brain-dead, 12-year-old demonic monkey, which is what I think you are; and I'm through wasting time on you.

P.S. Nice avatar. I'm sure god is some loser with a picture of fishing tackle to represent him.

[cyric]

If that's your picture of me, then you're sadly mistaken. The internet doesn't require the use of proper english, as you should have noticed by now. Every particle either has a positive, a negative or a neutral charge you moron. I assume that you run a spell check every so often through your posts? Besides, I don't HAVE to worry about you. You're a poor misguided fool with dreams of grandeur. That, and you don't even know anything about me (though possibly my name, but that's about it).

The only thing you're GOING to do, is rot and die. I can't, and won't (for the purpose of seeing you fail miserably (oh, such joy to be had!)) open your eyes to the truth of your existence, that being that you're completely worthless, incompetent and also ignorant. It is your choice to lead yourself down the path of self-destruction.

Forgive me for bothering to talk to such as you, but your stupidity should not go without being pointed out to you.

[manowater989]

Your come-backs grow weaker and more flaccid with each passing instance. I will not die, I WILL fulfill my destiny, to sit upon the Throne of God. Insult me, contradict me, say things about my mother, I will make no more responses of any kind to you- you are totally worthless, and only the glassy abyss of Hell and it's eternal torments await you at the end of your dark and empty road.

[7000]

Is it the end of the whole show guys.

[cyric]

Maybe so, but come backs do not win wars or games of chess. It is through action that we shape and define ourselves. He is obviously quite content to end up as a 50 yr old man still livingwith his parents. And his taunts and empty and his RIDICULOUS claim of deserving MY DESTINY are ultimately futile and pointless. He exists solely to satiate his gargantuan ego and to infuriate others (though he has failed, sadly). Also keep in mind that words are not weapons in the world of science, only intelligence and the application of it (though both are lacking in his instance).

Be that as it may, the subject is group consciousness, not the shattering of some disturbed child's (not naming anyone (do I need to?)) attempt (though poorly sought out) at self realisation.

Besides, if you were once God (God being man and woman at the same time), you would be a hemaphrodite, wouldn't you? You poor thing.

[amar]

Blech.

[signifier]

Man, neither one of you are going to accomplish anything. You're both human. You were pieced together over billions of gooey years by natural selection. You're messy contraptions held together by yarn and duct tape. And I'm fairly certain that neither one of you got an amazing draw in the cards of genetics that would somehow put you several sigma above the average human.

I think the singularity is going to happen. Within our lifetimes. Within the next thirty years. Perhaps sooner. And before it happens, when it happens, or after it happens, I am still not sure how either one of you is going to become "God". (And, more importantly, I am still not sure why either one of you would want to.)

Oh, and Cyric... What's with the signature? God delusions aside, aren't you an immortalist?

[cyric]

Yes, I am, but it's a quote from my favorite manga, Neon Genesis Evangelion. You should watch it some time, it's so incredibly multilayered and it's got all this psycho-babble.

That aside, why wouldn't you want to be God? Infinite power, infinite experiences, infinite knowledge, infinite wisdom, it would bt the penultimate of existence (or even to become a part of God).

Or perhaps you would rather the NGE scenario (where everyone is assimilated into a single perfect being, and they all ascend to godhood (their minds being complimentary to each other))? THAT would be great.

[manowater989]

Damn you are pathetic. I mean damn, DAMN, cyric, you are just so painfully sad and pathetic it almost literally, physically hurts me to look at the horrible dialog of the repetitive, bilious crap your keyboard has to endure having punched into it. Why don't you just kindly go to Hell already? And signifier, at least I appreciate a little bit of intelligent discussion injected by you. Did you see my basic explanation on SHECSF on the previous page? The question you raise is a very good one, and my answer, without getting too in-depth, is basically this: God is, what exactly? An all-powerful system of some type, which created and controls existence, essentially is existence. Complexity breeds greater complexity, the more it climbs, the more it increases the rate at which it climbs. From physics emerges chemistry, from chemistry emerges biology: simple series of reactions become simple cells, cells become organisms, organisms eventually become intelligences, and what from there? Beyond biology lies data, but, our observations show us, everything in nature eventually comes full-circle: the world is symmetry, so to speak. Eventually it must lead back to physics, the end must be the same as the beginning, in a way, only now, instead of being the result of physics, it is the result of us, or, more specifically, me. Time is a cycle: how else can it be explained to rationally emerge from nothing save itself? There may be other possible explanations, but this is the one I find most eloquent. God created man, man created God. Symmetry.

But why me, though? Well, since I believe time is a cycle, as good an answer to any would be because, in the future/past, I already have become Him, and He created me to become Him. Call that fate, I suppose, although, not very scientific. The more causal explanation is, at least, I believe, simply, and perhaps unfairly enough, because I happen to have been born in 1986, in Florida, with exactly the right amount of intelligence and in the right position to be able to learn exactly everything I need to know to advance on to the next step just that little bit before anyone else (had I been born in 1985, I believe, I would have been too early and might die before I can live long enough to ascend to Godhood, had I been born in '87, someone else might have beat me to it) to be able to become God. I realize this last bit is the most logically suspect, but I suppose I can only really defend it by saying, at the very least, I got a shot, and at the very most, well, I suppose it may simply be irrational faith on my part, but I have my reasons for believing that this is as it Was, Is, and Shall Ever Be. As for why I would WANT to be god, I'm not exactly sure. Infinite power, infinite wisdom, just infinity period are extremely attractive concepts to me, but, more so than I want to, I think I just am, whether I want to be or not.

[cyric]

Oh come on...you actually believe that God created you to replace him or that God would create himself to replace himself? That's just sheer nonsense. Even a psychotic lunatic wouldn't understand that!

Besides, as God is infinite, he wouldn't need to "create himself", seeing as he is omnipresent (simultaneously present in the past, present and future), and so thereby utterly shooting your poorly thought out theory in the proverbial head.

I was born 1989 (making me fifteen at the point of this post), meaning that I will be around longer, and will have more chance to attain my destiny (though my new scenario will include everyone).

Regardless of your obvious lunacy and selfishness (disregarding my previous posts), I will allow you to share in such a wonderful thing as the penultimate of transhumanism. You will be dead (due to the current lack of knowledge (some would say otherwise)we have achieved) before such a technology is available to you or I. I will live a little longer, giving me enough time to implement my theorised process. Then all will ascend to the state of being Perfect in a complimentation of minds, bodies and souls (for vague reference, see either Neon Genesis or Human Instrumentality Project).

If you think this is a debate (which it isn't)(or some other point to be argued over), then you are wrong. This is a thread about group consciousness, not godhood, so we're slightly off topic. You may be older, but I am (and so would be most other people) far more intelligent than the likes of you (sanity (or lack of) aside).

[signifier]

Okay, I get it. Joke topic. I fell for it.

[manowater989]

For vague reference, see your agonizing mindlessness, total lack of understanding with regard to anything in the actual or conceptual universe, petulant idiocy, and endless, unbearable references to childish crap as if it were anything of any type of significance, scientific or otherwise. Or, let me put it in terms you could almost understand, if only you were actually capable of any form of understanding, even in principle: SHUT THE HELL UP!

[Infernity]

You may be older, but I am (and so would be most other people) far more intelligent than the likes of you

...and very decent too.


-Infernity

[Infernity]

Ah when I can find the disclaimer, I'll link you to the place where it says something like "Attack ideas, not people".

You are not in the Free Speech Forum.

I would edit before leadership removes it.
Perhaps they won't you are the thread author.

From now on...

-Infernity

[cyric]

To: manowater989

In conjunction with being the thread editor, I can post pretty much what I want on here (as long as it is nonoffensive, and basically on topic). Telling me to shut up in my own thread? That's not very well thought out. Maybe YOU should just not visit this thread anymore like you said youw would?

And as your idea is simply a complete rip off (but so is mine) you haven't really got a foundation to your claim of total superiority (implicit). All you did was string some words together, you provided no scientific basis to "your" ideas or such and offered no proof that you had such an understanding of the mechanations of nuclear and quantum physics.



To: Infernity

Some of the tings manowater989 has said could be construed as offensive, but I wont bother to quote it since I lack the time.

[manowater989]

You think it matters who started the thread? If you think that in terms of message board politics, that has any bearing, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Anyone can start any thread they like, that does not give them any type of claim to ownership or control over it in any way. The only ones with even ostensible authority to have any kind of control over content are the proprietors of the site itself, and, I suppose, moderators. You're just a basic member, like me. People attack others' ideas and others themselves in threads originated by them all the time. I must say, however, I was very shocked by your seeming restraint and reason in this most recent post, what's come over you? Are you turning into a real person, and not a monkey?

I didn't say I wouldn't visit the thread anymore, I said I wouldn't respond to YOU anymore, although I'll of course admit, I haven't been doing that, I'm not doing it right now. I do, however, intend that THIS will be the last thing I say to you with regard to this topic, or probably any other, unless you undergo some sort of major shift in your temperament: what exactly, pray tell, is my idea a "rip off" of? I'm fairly confident I devised it on my own, unlike your ill-advised, evil, and ludicrous scheme. I *really* do have a foundation to my claim of total superiority, the scientific basis of my claims was explicated and documented, relatively clearly, although of course not to such an extent that anyone would be able to even approach attempting to duplicate what I am attempting; as for "proof" of my prodigious (and rapidly expanding even further!) knowledge of physics and scientific disciplines in general, combined with a unique combination of desire, talent, vision, and insight, I see no reason to offer any documentation of these facts, simply the fact that I do posses them will prove quite enough to make me what I am, and then (which is also now), it will become abundantly clear to anyone who could perceive it (which may, actually, be no-one) that I do. The previous statements made about the proposed "psychotic lunacy" of the cyclical nature of time and symmetrical form of reality, showcase, with all abundant clarity, your fundamental lack of ability to grasp concepts on this kind of level, which I think, to greater and lesser extents, are shared by nearly or actually everyone else, save myself. And that, little demon, is why I don't have to worry about you, I don't have to worry about anything.

And now, I'm done.

Edited by manowater989, 13 August 2005 - 10:54 AM.

[amar]

Maybe you'd all be immortal if you just stopped damning each other to Hell.

[manowater989]

I will be anyway hehe.

[cyric]

We ALL will, regardless of personal distinction or self-righteousness.

[cyric]

Back to group consciousness; how would you like it? (A), Dial up? (B), ADSL? ©, clustering?

Pick one.