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#1 tfor

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 01:11 AM


I'm on Lexapro against anxiety,ocd and depression. I have been on 10mg for 3 weeks now.

I cannot say I feel any less melancholic or depressed. This is very disappointing. Lexapro isn't my first AD.

I have been on many before and NONE worked. I don't really understand this.

I have tried: Remeron,Wellbutrin,Agomelatine,Tianeptine,Ritalin (solo),

 

I have also been tested for adhd and I have some symptoms of it but neither wellbutrin nor ritalin XL did have any effect.

 

I'm not on Lexapro as I already mentioned and I also daily take 10mg Ritalin XL. I read that Ritalin makes the SSRI kick in faster.

Not sure if this is true.

But I also read that Ritalin + SSRI is dangerous because both drugs prolong the QT interval. I'm not sure how risky this is cause there

are life threatening heart rhythm disorders which can be caused by QT prolongation.

 

I also read that when you take a SSRI + Ritalin then Ritalin becomes more addictive. Is this a risk when I stay at a low dose?

Usually I do not take more than 10mg Ritalin per day.



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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:26 AM

First off, Ritalin is not an antidepressant and should only be used as adjuncts to antidepressants to manage symptoms which are refactory to all other treatments. It is unlikely they will stop the symptoms just cover it up.

 

If you are getting no benefit from the ritalin you might as well stop it.

 

ADHD like symptoms can occure in depression. In fact cognitive abnormalities (poor working memory, lack of concentration, easily bored) are some of the key signs.

 

Both drugs CAN not do produce QT elongation as very rare side effects. It is particually rare in Escitlopram and the effect tends to be limited to the older and young. It is nothing to worry about and the combination is a perfectly safe and often used one.

 

Taking an SSRI does not make Ritalin more addictive. Taken in clinical doses Ritalin very rarely causes an addiction.

 

Although it is possible that taking a stimulant long term may actually make depression and anxiety worse.

 

If you have only been on Escitlopram for 3 weeks, its perfectly reasonable to expect that it would not have had an effect yet. You are expecting a result way to quickly. Antidepressants take time to work. If there has been no positive benefit by week 6 it is worth increasing to the maximum 20mg. You shouldn't disconinue the drug until giving it a trial of 12 weeks. This is a major problem (and reason) for non-response to antidepressants. Proper trials are often not given and people start to try more and more antidepressants in less and less time, with none of them having a chance to work. Antidepressants can take longer than this for a response for OCD. If it isn't working by week twelve then another drug should be tried. Furthermore you are just as likely to paritally respond to an antidepressant as you are to fully remit. In this case psychological therapy and enviromental changes are your best bet. There is also often some benefit to be gained in trying a higher dose or adding in an agumentation agent (not stimulants because there is no evidence for them in depression).

 

I would strongly recommend you start trying to make some changes in your enviroment and behaviour (behavioual activation, sleep hygeine, reducing stress were possible and practicing mindfulness (has a growing evidence base)). You can further increase your chances of getting better and staying better by adding in psychotherapy. First line psychotherapy should typically be CBT or one two of its many off shoots (ACT, MBCT). There are plenty of books on CBT and its the two off shoots (ACT, mindfulness based cognitive therapy) as there are books on mindfulness as well. Biblio therapy is while not as effective as face to face still very useful. The same can be said for some free online CBT courses. It would be best however if you could access CBT from a qualified professional - often group therapy is slightly more effective and also tends to be cheaper (if you have to pay for it where you live). When looking for a CBT therapist you should look for either postgraduate training in CBT (typically but not always they will come from core mental health profession (psych nurse, OT, soical worker, clinical/councelling psychologist, less commonly a psychiatrist or G.P) or for a clinical or counceling psychologist with experience in CBT.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 06:37 PM

Hello,

 

I was put on ritalin as a solo drug after the positive ADHD test. My doc thought maybe my depression would be cured with ritalin as well but it wasn't.

After ritalin failed I went back on antidepressants. Before trying ritalin I had already tried remeron and wellbutrin.

 

Now I simply worry that since SSRI lower dopamine they can make ADHD worse. I also read this in an ADHD book from Charles Parker.

What if I really have ADHD and then take a SSRI without anything dopaminergic and then my ADHD gets worse?

My thought was that maybe in this situation it would be best to simply take some Ritalin daily with the Lexapro but I'm also not sure if this is a good idea.

After all ritalin only works a few hours it doesn't boost dopamine continually the way a SSRI boosts serotonine. I also don't want to take too high doses of Ritalin.

The biggest dose I ever took when I was trying Ritalin as solo drug were 30mg of Ritalin XL which releases 50% instantly and 50% after a few hours.

It didn't give me more clarity or calmness it rather did the opposite. When I now take 10mg Ritalin XL I don't really "feel" anything at all. I just take it cause I think maybe

it's helping the SSRI work better. I read that Ritalin can augment SSRIs against depression.

 

I could also try adding wellbutrin or atomoxetine to Lexapro but atomoxetine intimidates me. I read bad things about it. Not sure if I should try it.



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Posted 27 June 2014 - 07:36 PM

All of these speculation about SSRI's reducing dopamine etc.. is pointless. All mental health problems are more complex than just Serotonin, Dopamine and Noradrenaline.

 

If you are taking a drug and it is having no effect, either you increase the dose or you don't take it at all. Its possible you don't have ADHD (the 'tests' are not by any means certain and depression can present with similar symptoms).

 

Atomoxetine has no worse side effects than ritalin.

 

Psychostimulant augmentation of antidepressants has been studied reasonably well and the results are not very positive. They reduce fatigue and cognitive problems but don't help treat the depression or do much else for the other core symptoms and of course they can make anxiety, suicidal ideation and insomnia worse.

 

I would recommend a full trial of Escilopram ALONE. Once you have evaluated it as helping or not then you can consider other options. One option is trying an SNRI, which you haven't tried. Another is adding in Atomoxetine. Quetiapine or Aripirpazole augmentation is an option. Pregabalin is another. Another idea is trying Nortriptyline. Its somewhat effective for ADHD and very much so for depression. It does have a higher side effect burdon than SSRI's and SNRI's, however most people can tolerate them well.

 

As I've mentioned medication is actually unlikely to make you fully better and behavioural and psychological interventions are likely to be vital in achieving full remission.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 09:53 PM

Yes I will first of all give Lexapro enough time. After all it doesn't cause side effects.

 

Atomoxetine is somehow intimidating to me. I don't know how it is compared to wellbutrin. Wellbutrin didn't help me.

I read that many people dont do well on atomoxetine.

 

But I also read that melancholic depression is harder to cure than other depression and I think I have melancholic depression, too.

I don't know if I can even be cured.

 

I already tried CBT and it depressed me more. Maybe I didn't have the right therapist. It was a psychologist. Already in the first session

I realized that what he said to me only depressed me more. I sat there and thought that this is a total waste of time. I am not very inclined anymore

to go to therapists and then expect them to be able to help me. Most of the answers are so generic I really cannot work with them. For example if

someone is disabled through an accident and depressed now cause he is disabled and then the therapist tells him something like you can still enjoy

a lot of things even though you cant walk anymore then is this really supposed to be very helpful? Such answers frustrate me. But this was just an example.

But I really hate these "answers". I doubt that these advice would even work for the therapists themselves if they were in such a situation.

 






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