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[Bockemossen]

 

 

 

So, I "sniffed" 500 mcg today and felt it a bit more then usuall but it was a higher dose also. After a while I actually felt a bit down but I'm not sure it was the JDTic.

I only had 1 mg left haha. Didn't thought I had used that much. If I had more I would try higher dosages but I'm kind of disappointed with it overall so I won't buy more.

I used it for social anxiety and my avoidant behavior by the way so I don't know how it would work against dissociation for examlpe.

Maybe my dosages just was too low and should have used it more nasally. I will follow your progress.

Nope, I actually do believe the "feeling down" might be the JDTic... That feeling overcame me for awhile until I took it for longer and then I started to feel more of an "emotional tone". I don't believe that it is the best anti-depressant out there. I wonder what an agonst will do then, I know Salvinorin-A also had similar effects to JDTic. (as low dosages) although it doesn't give you a mood boost as such. It's more like you can judt do stuff without giving a rats ass about doing it. You end up having very very low fear. I believe fear is the only thing that Kappa really does.

Maybe, if it was somehow bined with an SSRI or some other anti-depressant then it would be of more use. I think you should defininely try my combo out though that I posted. you won't regret that one and it doesn't cost as much. It's the best thing I have got, and I have been through a lot of stuff! For some reason though their JDTic feels a lot weaker than the other batch I brought elsewhere... It doen't yield as good results, and it doesn't cause the VT... It has to be JDTic though, because it smells like it. (it feels like it, to an extent) just very very weak. Not sure if it's to do with their "making process" or what. :/

I took my remaining 500 mcg yesterday, so a total of 1 mg and I felt really weird and today I felt very depressed all day. But I've taken a little too much concerta this weekend so that probably weighs in.

ORPA-OX looks nice. They say it has marginal tolerance and abuse potential but it's a mu agonist so I'm not sure about that. But it's also a kappa agonist so maybe that fixes it. Kind of cheap so I think I'll try it.

CBD agonists could be good for social anxiety. I got 2g of SGAN-OX with the JDTic but can't feel it at all.

 

It might happen with JDTic that after a few days, you do notice the benefits. please keep us updated

 

So far ive tried exetamine from them,, it feels like ketamine, without the psychotomimetic side effects. It seems to put me in a better mood. Ive tried it a few times. One time I dosed too high. It was quite a dysphoric experience. But a few other times, It put me in a good mood. Though I cant say if I just had a good day, Might need further testing on this compound

 

 

Let me know how the OPRA-ox goes too when you receive it

 

I began taking JDTic about three weeks ago and I didn't notice an increase in effect.

Cool, had missed that product. How are you feeling its pro-social effects?

I ordered ORPA-OX and some agmatine to potentiate its effects and reduce tolerance even further. I may try some tramadol as well but I'm not sure about that one. Last time I shopped at teamtlr it took over a month to get my stuff but I've chosen a faster shipping this time so hopefully I can report soon.

[KieranA001]

 

 

 

 

So, I "sniffed" 500 mcg today and felt it a bit more then usuall but it was a higher dose also. After a while I actually felt a bit down but I'm not sure it was the JDTic.

I only had 1 mg left haha. Didn't thought I had used that much. If I had more I would try higher dosages but I'm kind of disappointed with it overall so I won't buy more.

I used it for social anxiety and my avoidant behavior by the way so I don't know how it would work against dissociation for examlpe.

Maybe my dosages just was too low and should have used it more nasally. I will follow your progress.

Nope, I actually do believe the "feeling down" might be the JDTic... That feeling overcame me for awhile until I took it for longer and then I started to feel more of an "emotional tone". I don't believe that it is the best anti-depressant out there. I wonder what an agonst will do then, I know Salvinorin-A also had similar effects to JDTic. (as low dosages) although it doesn't give you a mood boost as such. It's more like you can judt do stuff without giving a rats ass about doing it. You end up having very very low fear. I believe fear is the only thing that Kappa really does.

Maybe, if it was somehow bined with an SSRI or some other anti-depressant then it would be of more use. I think you should defininely try my combo out though that I posted. you won't regret that one and it doesn't cost as much. It's the best thing I have got, and I have been through a lot of stuff! For some reason though their JDTic feels a lot weaker than the other batch I brought elsewhere... It doen't yield as good results, and it doesn't cause the VT... It has to be JDTic though, because it smells like it. (it feels like it, to an extent) just very very weak. Not sure if it's to do with their "making process" or what. :/

I took my remaining 500 mcg yesterday, so a total of 1 mg and I felt really weird and today I felt very depressed all day. But I've taken a little too much concerta this weekend so that probably weighs in.

ORPA-OX looks nice. They say it has marginal tolerance and abuse potential but it's a mu agonist so I'm not sure about that. But it's also a kappa agonist so maybe that fixes it. Kind of cheap so I think I'll try it.

CBD agonists could be good for social anxiety. I got 2g of SGAN-OX with the JDTic but can't feel it at all.

 

It might happen with JDTic that after a few days, you do notice the benefits. please keep us updated

 

So far ive tried exetamine from them,, it feels like ketamine, without the psychotomimetic side effects. It seems to put me in a better mood. Ive tried it a few times. One time I dosed too high. It was quite a dysphoric experience. But a few other times, It put me in a good mood. Though I cant say if I just had a good day, Might need further testing on this compound

 

 

Let me know how the OPRA-ox goes too when you receive it

 

I began taking JDTic about three weeks ago and I didn't notice an increase in effect.

Cool, had missed that product. How are you feeling its pro-social effects?

I ordered ORPA-OX and some agmatine to potentiate its effects and reduce tolerance even further. I may try some tramadol as well but I'm not sure about that one. Last time I shopped at teamtlr it took over a month to get my stuff but I've chosen a faster shipping this time so hopefully I can report soon.

 

 

What dose of JDTic were you using? Also, what do you mean by how I was feeling ORPA-OX pro-social effects? Well, all I can say is that it's a good drug that gave me a positive overview on everything including people which, I don't know, I just felt happy to talk to people and got enjoyment out of it. It eases the conversation up a lot and it just flows naturally. You can talk for ages on it without as much social phobia. It's good with coluracetam!

 

[Bockemossen]

Gotta stop quoting such long texts. Kieran I was asking alex about exetamines pro-social effects.

Sorry I don't see that. Look here: http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3770732/

"We first demonstrated that a single systemic dose of 7,8-DHF enhances the learning of cue-dependent fear conditioning in wild-type animals. This potentiated the fear response to the cue, suggesting that 7,8-DHF is likely targeting TrkB receptors in the brain that are normally critical for fear learning."

"Notably we found augmented learning for both fear and extinction, further supporting the role of the TrkB agonist in potentiating learning,"

" Therefore, 7,8-DHF is likely augmenting emotional learning and plasticity, in the presence of endogenous BDNF, for both fear learning and extinction."
 

[Bockemossen]

Thanks, ORPA sounds great by the way I have some coluracetam so will try that. How much would you say you suffer from social anxiety? If I can ask

[Virtual Reality]

I began taking JDTic about three weeks ago and I didn't notice an increase in effect.

Cool, had missed that product. How are you feeling its pro-social effects?

I ordered ORPA-OX and some agmatine to potentiate its effects and reduce tolerance even further. I may try some tramadol as well but I'm not sure about that one. Last time I shopped at teamtlr it took over a month to get my stuff but I've chosen a faster shipping this time so hopefully I can report soon.

 

Well I havent tried it that much, I wouldnt say pro social. Just puts me in a kinda better mood. Though i took benzos with it, but i was feeling better with the exetamine. I have done this 2 times and worked both times.

Without the benzos and then taking exetamine, havent tried it that much yet, so cant give you any info on that

 

Agmatine to potentiate an opiate agonist, and reduce tolerance; Can you explain?

 

Yes tramadol seems also a good anxiety killer. I have looked it up myself to. It is basically a fast acting SSRI, and a weak opiate agonist. Alot of people seem to have succes with it. There seems to be quite some horror stories about addiction though. I wonder if it is that bad/addiciting for you when you take low doses /50mg a day for 5 days a week.

Edited by alex921, 20 August 2014 - 11:39 AM.

[Virtual Reality]

And i wonder if tramadol can create neurogenesis like ssri's.

[Bockemossen]

I began taking JDTic about three weeks ago and I didn't notice an increase in effect.

Cool, had missed that product. How are you feeling its pro-social effects?

I ordered ORPA-OX and some agmatine to potentiate its effects and reduce tolerance even further. I may try some tramadol as well but I'm not sure about that one. Last time I shopped at teamtlr it took over a month to get my stuff but I've chosen a faster shipping this time so hopefully I can report soon.

Well I havent tried it that much, I wouldnt say pro social. Just puts me in a kinda better mood. Though i took benzos with it, but i was feeling better with the exetamine. I have done this 2 times and worked both times.
Without the benzos and then taking exetamine, havent tried it that much yet, so cant give you any info on that

Agmatine to potentiate an opiate agonist, and reduce tolerance; Can you explain?

Yes tramadol seems also a good anxiety killer. I have looked it up myself to. It is basically a fast acting SSRI, and a weak opiate agonist. Alot of people seem to have succes with it. There seems to be quite some horror stories about addiction though. I wonder if it is that bad/addiciting for you when you take low doses /50mg a day for 5 days a week.

Ok. It says at teamtlr that it has a "pro-social disposition". Thats why I asked.

Look here: http://examine.com/s...ments/Agmatine/ and google agmatine+opiates. There is not that much information and I'm not sure it only applies to the analgesic effects. But we'll see.

I've ordered some tramadol and will compare it to ORPA-OX. Will only use one of them for school presentations.

[KieranA001]

Thanks, ORPA sounds great by the way I have some coluracetam so will try that. How much would you say you suffer from social anxiety? If I can ask

 

Really really bad social anxiety. I get all sweaty, I cannot look people in the face when I'm talking and have to look away at something else for a few seconds, then look back if I can. I feel like I'm being judged by them.

 

I barely speak to people because of this. I feel like I'm going to make a fool out of myself or something! It's not nice, you also don't like speaking up that much nor giving presentations. Otherwise, I don't know where to look and go red faced or end up stuttering my words.

 

I try to avoid going out, and feel guilty if I were to think about going out. Well, more of a "fear" of going out and meeting them, just thinking that the worst will happen. Not nice at all.

 

I have learned to overcome most of this within the last few years after leaving school in 2011. The best and most effective method is to just get a feel of the world around you, in easy small steps, and reprogram your brain to become aware of the stimulus around you isn't a threat. Just go out and face your social phobias if possible, even under the influences of drugs such as ORPA-OX or whatever, just as a backbone to help while you learn to realize it's best not to live in fear because in time you will just regret it like I have been. 

 

I still have social phobia quite bad, but not as much as I did have. Maybe I have just learned to not give a **** what people think. I'm not quite sure. But you can beat it. Nothing is impossible if you put your mind to it. It might seem hard now, but if you work on it, you will not regret it. It changes your life forever, if you learn and face your social phobias. :-)

[KieranA001]

In addition though, I have just (and I mean JUST) found the BEST anti-depressant / anti-anxiety / Anti-Phobia medication I have ever tried by TeamTLR. I think it might even beat the Kratom and Sulbutiamine. It's just so clean, euphoric and lovely feeling of self-worth and happiness. Not a single negative thought on my mind right now. It makes me feel so calm and not a single worry.

 

Basically, I had a "research chemical" come with my JDTic buy called "Piracetam Hydrazide" it's a modified version of Piracetam and it's the best! Honestly recommend this stuff to you guys. Better than the SGAN-OX and all of that! They're all good as well but this is just a truly great compound.

 

Didn't know it was going to be this good! It was just left in my shelf because I thought it was going to be like all the other Nootropics! No, this one actually works! Highly recommend trying it out seen as it's really cheap and expensive elsewhere (plus, not many people selling it)

 

Cheers!

Edited by KieranA001, 20 August 2014 - 09:16 PM.

[Virtual Reality]

In addition though, I have just (and I mean JUST) found the BEST anti-depressant / anti-anxiety / Anti-Phobia medication I have ever tried by TeamTLR. I think it might even beat the Kratom and Sulbutiamine. It's just so clean, euphoric and lovely feeling of self-worth and happiness. Not a single negative thought on my mind right now. It makes me feel so calm and not a single worry.

 

Basically, I had a "research chemical" come with my JDTic buy called "Piracetam Hydrazide" it's a modified version of Piracetam and it's the best! Honestly recommend this stuff to you guys. Better than the SGAN-OX and all of that! They're all good as well but this is just a truly great compound.

 

Didn't know it was going to be this good! It was just left in my shelf because I thought it was going to be like all the other Nootropics! No, this one actually works! Highly recommend trying it out seen as it's really cheap and expensive elsewhere (plus, not many people selling it)

 

Cheers

Wow you seem to respond well to all the products from team TLR. Good for you.

But how do you know your not experiencing placebo?

You just took the piracetam hydrazide for the first time, and  you already claim its the best anti depressant youve ever had?

[KieranA001]

 

In addition though, I have just (and I mean JUST) found the BEST anti-depressant / anti-anxiety / Anti-Phobia medication I have ever tried by TeamTLR. I think it might even beat the Kratom and Sulbutiamine. It's just so clean, euphoric and lovely feeling of self-worth and happiness. Not a single negative thought on my mind right now. It makes me feel so calm and not a single worry.

 

Basically, I had a "research chemical" come with my JDTic buy called "Piracetam Hydrazide" it's a modified version of Piracetam and it's the best! Honestly recommend this stuff to you guys. Better than the SGAN-OX and all of that! They're all good as well but this is just a truly great compound.

 

Didn't know it was going to be this good! It was just left in my shelf because I thought it was going to be like all the other Nootropics! No, this one actually works! Highly recommend trying it out seen as it's really cheap and expensive elsewhere (plus, not many people selling it)

 

Cheers

Wow you seem to respond well to all the products from team TLR. Good for you.

But how do you know your not experiencing placebo?

You just took the piracetam hydrazide for the first time, and  you already claim its the best anti depressant youve ever had?

 

 

Well, they're all good. Yes. But, nothing quite like this one.

 

All of the others were very subtle to very little effects, but they still helped me a little bit which is better then nothing, right? With this compound, I know it's working and not placebo because I took it twice today and straight after I get a slight "tiredness" / "eye heaviness" which lasts for about 3 / 5 minutes accomplished by a very nice clean anti-anxiety / anti-panic sensation. It reminds me of a better version of Phenibut without the tiredness and this is so much more "pronounced" than phenibut.

 

This is by far the best thing I have tried to date, I'm not joking either. This is by far their strongest compound that I have tried for anxiety. This is no placebo, because its effects are too strong.

 

[KieranA001]

Not quite sure what dose I took though, I just used the 10mg measuring spoon that came with another compound from Ebay. The density is different so not sure, I put two spoonfuls under my tongue and it pretty much dissolved in about a minute without any horrible taste under my tongue which is weird. Normally powder stays under my tongue. 

 

Only downside is that the Euphoria only lasts for about 30 minutes. But, I still have the positive mood lift though with the very noticeable "clean anti-anxiety / depression" effects. 

Edited by KieranA001, 20 August 2014 - 09:40 PM.

[Virtual Reality]

 

Ok. It says at teamtlr that it has a "pro-social disposition". Thats why I asked.

Look here: http://examine.com/s...ments/Agmatine/ and google agmatine+opiates. There is not that much information and I'm not sure it only applies to the analgesic effects. But we'll see.

I've ordered some tramadol and will compare it to ORPA-OX. Will only use one of them for school presentations.

 

 

 

 Well, everyone is different it may have pro social action on your part.

 

Thats very interesting the link you posted. I did not know that. They also describe that agmatine prevents addictive behaviour.

 

Yes, let me know how it goes for you, im excited to hear.

 

Not quite sure what dose I took though, I just used the 10mg measuring spoon that came with another compound from Ebay. The density is different so not sure, I put two spoonfuls under my tongue and it pretty much dissolved in about a minute without any horrible taste under my tongue which is weird. Normally powder stays under my tongue. 

 

I will take a look into the Piracetam Hydrazide, allthough there is not very much info on the internet.

But its not really that expensive either.

Edited by alex921, 20 August 2014 - 09:43 PM.

[KieranA001]

 

I will take a look into the Piracetam Hydrazide, allthough there is not very much info on the internet.

But its not really that expensive either.

 

 

Okay then, I will take it again tomorrow before I go to work and will report back when I get home more about it, how long effects last me, how social interactions go with my boss etc etc.

[KieranA001]

Okay, so I said I will let you guys know if it's any good or not. I have tested in throughout the day and all I can say is, great stuff!

 

Now, I dosed today (same amount as yesterday night) at 7:00AM before I went to work. I had good anti-anxiety / anti-depressive effects all day. My mood was different and my social anxiety improved dramatically! I was listening to music on the bus and it was amazing, it was like I could actually "feel" the music in my ears. It was just so much more clearer and my vision was razor sharp and no anxiety with it either. Just a "smooth" feeling.

 

I feel more witty as well and my boss didn't know what had happened to me! He said that I was different today, as I spoke more and didn't just to random conversations like I normally do. I actually hold a detailed long normal conversation while actually listening and paying attention to my external stimuli! My conversation skills did feel improved and my thinking was greatly increased.

 

I did get a headache though, and still have it but I think you just need to get the right choline intake. You either need more choline, less or non at all. If non of that works then I guess I'm going to have to get used to headaches more often!

 

Great stuff, I believe you get a free 1 gram if you are thinking of buying anything else from them. Look in the description of their items!

 

Hope this helped you guys.

Take a read at this also:

 

http://www.smartdrug...cetam-research/

[Al Capacino]

Was just looking up more info on this piracetam hydrazide and came across this thread. 

 

I also received 1g from Team TLR when I order something else that the majority of people are trialling just now.

 

I just threw it in the back of the cupboard so I could feel the true effects of the other compound I bought. 

After 2 weeks clean of anything but antidepressants for a couple of days I decided to try this piracetam.  And that's all I thought it was, piracetam, not realizing it was the modified hydrazide version.  So I threw the whole 1g down my throat and off I went out expecting nothing as I thought 1g is not even a full dose of piracetam!

 

Damn did I have a great day!  I was so clear headed and my decision making was immense.  I had no internal chatter just concentrated on my environment and was simply so happy and content around people, shopping, which normally stresses me out badly.

 

Definitely buying more.  By the way I had never tried any racetam before as-well.  I've since tried Aniracetam and coloracetam and don't feel anywhere near as good. 

 

So of those who have tried it what dosage do you recommend?  I notice one of you mentioned 10mg sublingual.  very different to my 1g oral!  lol so I hope lowering the dose right down brings good effects still.  Will be a bit disappointed if the effects are greatly reduced as its quite expensive to take in high doses.

 

[MangekyōPeter]

I don't think that Piracetam Hydrazide is active at 10mg, even 100mg shouldn't be felt much.

 

I also had a gram of it and did 500mg orally on an empty stomach, did notice improved mood, clear-headedness, but not dramatically so . Should've tried the whole gram in a single dose IMO.

 

But glad to hear your experience with it, and eagerly waiting for others to share in their experience with it

Was just looking up more info on this piracetam hydrazide and came across this thread. 

 

I also received 1g from Team TLR when I order something else that the majority of people are trialling just now.

 

I just threw it in the back of the cupboard so I could feel the true effects of the other compound I bought. 

After 2 weeks clean of anything but antidepressants for a couple of days I decided to try this piracetam.  And that's all I thought it was, piracetam, not realizing it was the modified hydrazide version.  So I threw the whole 1g down my throat and off I went out expecting nothing as I thought 1g is not even a full dose of piracetam!

 

Damn did I have a great day!  I was so clear headed and my decision making was immense.  I had no internal chatter just concentrated on my environment and was simply so happy and content around people, shopping, which normally stresses me out badly.

 

Definitely buying more.  By the way I had never tried any racetam before as-well.  I've since tried Aniracetam and coloracetam and don't feel anywhere near as good. 

 

So of those who have tried it what dosage do you recommend?  I notice one of you mentioned 10mg sublingual.  very different to my 1g oral!  lol so I hope lowering the dose right down brings good effects still.  Will be a bit disappointed if the effects are greatly reduced as its quite expensive to take in high doses.

 

[Virtual Reality]

Has anyone had experience with a other compound from teamTLR?  Eugerafinil?

Ive ordered some 7,8 dihydroxyflavone , it will arrive this week. I will post my findings with this compound in this thread