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Will GDF-11 Cure Aging? (split from NEUMYO-OA trial)


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#211 Iporuru

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 04:24 PM

 

 

Age-reversal effects of 'young blood' molecule GDF-11 called into question
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http://medicalxpress...d-molecule.html

These researchers are saying that everyone has gotten this one wrong. They say GDF-11 increases with age and rats treated with it showed increased signs of aging. This is about to become a heated topic in the months to come and someone will ultimately tease out the correct scenario for the various blood factors.


Incredibly disappointing result

Seems highly unlikely that myostatin decreases with age.

 

 

http://www.longecity...df-11-findings/

 


 



#212 Bryan_S

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 09:49 PM

I was disappointed in those finding last May as well but this fight is far from over. It looks like its about to get heated.

 

http://www.the-scien...rotein-Dispute/

 

http://nextbigfuture...-be-source.html

 

https://www.ucsf.edu...-health-benefit


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#213 Logic

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 12:57 PM

From the excellent Systemic Problems: A perspective on stem cell aging and rejuvenation article:

 

GDF11 abdicates the throne of systemic rejuvenation

 

As recently revealed, the key findings on diminished levels of GDF11 with age and of the positive effects of this protein on myogenesis are not reproduced [36, 40-42]. Very importantly, this would not come as a shock if one would read the relevant papers. Based on the science, GDF11 is 90% identical to myostatin, which inhibits (not activates) myogenesis. GDF11 in neurogenesis serves to limit the numbers of neural stem cells [43, 44] and this discrepancy was not cited or discussed in the pro-rejuvenation papers. GDF11 signals through the same receptor as TGF-beta1 and myostatin (more efficiently than myostatin [40] and inhibition (not activation) of this ALK5 receptor has been shown to enhance and rejuvenate myogenesis and also, neurogenesis [6, 37]. The bulk of data questions the anti-aging effects of GDF11, and makes the Cell Metabolism paper important for avoiding years of unproductive research in the wrong directions.

 

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Figure 2. Bi-phasic requirements for TGFβ, myostatin, pp38, Wnt during muscle repair.Activated by muscle injury quiescent muscle stem cells enter cell cycle and differentiate into rapidly dividing intermediate progenitor cells that expand, when the levels of listed factors are low. Up-regulation of these factors (likely by many sources, including infiltrating leukocytes that clear the wound) is needed for productive differentiation of the intermediate progenitors into fusion-competent myoblasts and post-mitotic multi-nucleated myotubes. In vitro, intermediate progenitors can be expanded in high mitogen medium and upon withdrawal of mitogens they form multi-nucleated myotubes in culture.

 

GDF11 was reported to enhance old muscle repair by attenuating the accumulation of DNA damage in the aged satellite cells [36]; however, a year earlier it was published that old muscle satellite cells do not accumulate DNA damage with age and that DNA damage in muscle stem cells is uncoupled from efficiency of muscle repair and likely represents a physiologically required process of terminal myogenic lineage differentiation [15, 45]. Once again, a key paper in a lesser impact journal questioning main conclusions of a high impact paper was not cited or caught in peer or editorial review.

In apparent disagreement between two recent studies, GDF11 does [41] and does not [46] reduce hypertrophy of old mouse hearts. Even if there is no direct connection to aging, stem cells or heterochronic parabiosis, ectopic GDF11 may reduce the mass of both young and old hearts [47].

Age-specific levels of GDF11 are also not without controversy: initially, it was reported that GDF11, but not GDF8/myostatin, declines with age [41]; then more recently it was determined that GDF8/myostatin does decline with age [48], an observation which was also reconfirmed by the original Cell authors, who now combine the two protein names into one, called GFD11/8 [47].
 

These controversies may be caused by the fact that antibodies to GDF11 have cross-reactivity with GDF8/myostatin. GDF11 antibody might also simply cross-react with immunoglobulins, which become elevated with age [47, 49]. A very elegant recent paper using a clean myostatin knock-out system demonstrated that GDF11 levels are 500 times less than that of myostatin or activin, thus precluding any competitiveness for the same receptor complexes and arguing against physiological modulation of pSmad2/3 signaling by GDF11 when myostatin, activin or TGF- beta1 are present [48].
 

Muscle tissue produces myostatin, so the age-specific decline in myostatin protein may reflect the loss of muscle mass in the old. Consequentially people or mice with physiologically higher muscle mass (particularly in older age) are likely to be healthier, thus exhibiting an indirect link between the levels of myostatin and the health of the heart and other organs. Notably, GDF11 is associated with human colon cancers, which is likely due to the pro-angiogenic properties of GDF11 and most TGF-beta family ligands [50, 51]. Accordingly, Alk1 and Alk5 inhibitors are studied as anti-cancer anti-angiogenic blockers [52, 53].

http://www.impactagi...ull/100819.html

 

But I agree with Zorba990 that it does not make any sense that Myostatin decreases with age as  that would mean more muscle as we age...???

I'm still confused!?


Edited by Logic, 14 November 2015 - 01:01 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2015 - 10:12 PM

But I agree with Zorba990 that it does not make any sense that Myostatin decreases with age as  that would mean more muscle as we age...???

I'm still confused!?

 

Well, they said "Muscle tissue produces myostatin, so the age-specific decline in myostatin protein may reflect the loss of muscle mass in the old.", so it looks like myostatin isn't as important in the sarcopenic elderly as it is in youth.   It appears that myostatin is part of a feedback loop that keeps us from wasting energy on excessively large muscles.  Later in life, muscles deteriorate for reasons unrelated to myostatin, and the reduction in myostatin levels is just a consequence of losing muscle.  If this is right, then it kind of blows the idea of myostatin inhibitor gene therapy as a cure for sarcopenia.


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#215 ceridwen

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Posted 15 November 2015 - 05:01 AM

Anti Aging Parabiosis Clinical Trial Recruiting Next Year in Boynton Bay South Florida
Dr Diblamean Maharaja
10301 Hagen Ranch Road Ste 600
Boynton Beach
FL33437

Phone 001 561 7525522

Also at Bethseda Hospital East
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#216 pleb

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Posted 15 November 2015 - 02:08 PM

It will be interesting to see how this disagreement between the researchers unfolds over time.
Bryan-s posted links the first one seems quite relevant .

I'm slightly wary of the accuracy of the second trail that said the original trail had got it wrong because of that link and their missidentifying the protein. if that is the case. Despite their lumping together gdf8 and gdf11. the fact that they are both growth factors and that the first 90per cent of gdf11 is the same as myostatin (gdf8) doesn't necessarily mean they have the same function. They seem to be ignoring the additional 10percent that is different that could alter the function of the protein considerably.

IGF1 and insulin (IGF2) are almost identical much closer than the two growth factors yet have totally differing effects in the body.

Edited by pleb, 15 November 2015 - 02:17 PM.


#217 Bryan_S

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 08:25 AM

Antiaging trial using young blood stirs concerns

Jocelyn Kaiser
Science  05 Aug 2016:
Vol. 353, Issue 6299, pp. 527-528
DOI: 10.1126/science.353.6299.527
 
Summary
 
The first-ever clinical trial in the United States to test the antiaging benefits of an unusual therapy—plasma from young donors—in relatively healthy people is getting underway this month. The trial was inspired in part by a 2014 study finding that injecting old mice with the plasma portion of blood from young mice seemed to improve the elderly rodents' memory and ability to learn. But there's a big caveat: The company, Ambrosia, plans to charge participants $8000 for lab tests and a one-time treatment. To some ethicists and researchers, the trial raises red flags, both for its cost to participants and for a design that they say is unlikely to deliver much science.

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#218 Bryan_S

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 05:59 PM

Protein in human umbilical cord blood rejuvenates old mice's impaired learning, memory
April 19, 2017
 
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Tony Wyss-Coray, PhD, professor of neurology is in the news again.

 

https://medicalxpres...cord-blood.html


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