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Posted 12 June 2015 - 03:12 PM

The past few nights, I've started having dreams again, which are relatively rich in visual detail, but not yet to the level as when I first started c60oo. I've also noticed my visual memory coming back, moreso just before bed for some reason. I think it's either due to c60oo or Longvida, and probably the former because I tend to dose it before bed as well as in the morning, whereas the latter is dosed at lunch.

 

To the point, this morning I did a Lumosity workout for the first time since I last mentioned it here, which I believe was around 2 months ago. So my Lumosity-optimized ganglia are a bit out-of-tune at the moment. Nevertheless, I managed #2 on Memory Matrix, which is a pure test of visual memory. For all the things I don't like about Lumosity, this one test is extremely well tuned to discover how long images remain imprinted in the visual cortex before being obscured by higher level interpretation and lossy data compression. Needless to say, I'm pleased with whatever-it-is that's causing this. Otherwise, Lumosity also made it plainly clear that my reaction time is quite slow. I don't know what that indicates (chocolate cessation a month or so ago, perhaps), but I think it's an acceptable trade for visual memory performance. Perhaps these two results are actually consistent: my heavy SSRI (read: Longvida) dose is extending long term potentiation, which makes signals stable for longer, thereby defeating reaction time but improving visual memory. For the record, as always, I made the score before eating this morning.

 



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Posted 13 June 2015 - 01:20 AM

After 3 months of a keto diet, here are a few more blood tests. Summary: Urinalysis continues to confirm ketosis status. After losing muscle and suffering a temporary spike in creatinine, my kidneys are back to normal. Fasting glucose has increased slightly, probably because keto diets inhibit mTOR, and therefore mTORC2, resulting in (probably) reversible insulin resistance ("pseudodiabetes") (see here and here). Vitamin D is pretty much in the optimal range, thanks to plain old supplementation. Uric acid is a bit high because I've been eating too much protein while on the I-can't-believe-it's-all-butter diet. Myeloperoxidase is up, which would normally suggest increased risk of vascular plaque rupture, but this is a known effect of Longvida, which by the way does not increase C reactive protein, a telltale inflammation marker; this is precisely what happened. I was up to 8 or 10 Longvida per day, as of the day of the test. I was also fasted.

 

As usual, I double-checked the following measured values for accuracy and coded them by test number:

1. 1/2/2015 (before GCSF)
2. 1/9/2015 (before GCSF)
3. 1/15/2015 (immediately after collection)
4. 3/6/2015 (after a few weeks of keto diet)
5. 5/28/2015 (after about 3 months of keto diet)

HEMATOLOGY

4. cholesterol total 304
4. cholesterol HDL 70
1. glucose (fasting) 67
4. glucose (fasting) 66
5. glucose (fasting) 75 <- suspected pseudodiabetes (see above)
1. HbA1c 5.3%
4. HbA1c 5.2%
4. vitamin D 25-hydroxy by LC-MS/MS 25
5. vitamin D 25-hydroxy, method unreported 39 <- from 2000 IU/d, finally!
1. blood urea nitrogen (BUN) 9
4. blood urea nitrogen (BUN) 8
5. blood urea nitrogen (BUN) 7
1. creatinine 0.93
4. creatinine 1.07
5. creatinine 0.93 <- stopped losing muscle mass
1. eGFR nonafrican CKD-EPI 102
4. eGFR nonafrican CKD-EPI 86
5. eGFR nonafrican CKD-EPI 102 <- back to normal post-catabolism
1. sodium 135
4. sodium 139
5. sodium 139
1. potassium 4.2
4. potassium 4.2
5. potassium 3.9
1. chloride 101
4. chloride 98
5. chloride 102
1. carbon dioxide 21
4. carbon dioxide 24
5. carbon dioxide 21
1. calcium 9.1
4. calcium 9.4
5. calcium 9.4
1. protein, total 7.0
4. protein, total 6.9
1. albumin 4.2
4. albumin 4.5
1. bilirubin, total 1.1
4. bilirubin, total 0.7
1. bilirubin, direct 0.2
1. ALP 56
4. ALP 64
1. AST 27
4. AST 21
1. ALT 21
4. ALT 17
2. WBC 4.7
3. WBC 36.6
4. WBC 4.7
2. RBC 5.21
3. RBC 5.08
4. RBC 5.40
2. hemoglobin 16.3
3. hemoglobin 15.9
4. hemoglobin 16.4
2. hematocrit 46.6
3. hematocrit 47.4
4. hematocrit 47.7
2. MCV 89
3. MCV 93
4. MCV 88
2. MCH 31.3
3. MCH 31.3
4. MCH 30.4
2. MCHC 35.0
3. MCHC 33.5
4. MCHC 34.4
2. RDW 13.3
3. RDW 13.5
4. RDW 14.0
2. platelets 228
3. platelets 216
4. platelets 220
4. mean platelet volume 9.6
2. neutrophils 70
3. neutrophils 86
4. neutrophils 64
2. neutrophils, absolute 3.2
3. neutrophils, absolute 30.8
4. neutrophils, absolute 2.99
2. lymphs 23
3. lymphs 6
4. lymphs 26
2. lymphs, absolute 1.1
3. lymphs, absolute 2.4
4. lymphs, absolute 1.2
2. monocytes 7
3. monocytes 8
4. monocytes 8
2. monocytes, absolute 0.3
3. monocytes, absolute 3.1
4. monocytes, absolute 0.36
2. eosinophils 0
3. eosinophils 0
4. eosinophils 2
4. eosinophils, absolute 0.07
2. basophils 0
3. basophils 0
4. basophils 1
4. basophils, absolute 0.03
2. immature granulocytes 0
3. immature granulocytes 0
2. immature granulocytes, absolute 0
3. immature granulocytes, absolute 0
3. NRBC 0
4. TSH 1.15
4. myeloperoxidase by TIA 145
5. myeloperoxidase by TIA 190 <- Longvida expected effect
4. PSA 0.5
4. testosterone 885
5. uric acid 8.8 <- too much protein with my butter
5. C-reactive protein (CRP) "< 0.10" <- below detection threshold
5. apolipoprotein A1 169 <- "optimal"
5. apolipoprotein B 110 <- "moderate risk"
5. apolipoprotein B/A1 ratio 0.65 <- "optimal"

URINALYSIS

4. color: yellow
5. color: yellow
4. turbidity: clear
5. turbidity: clear
4. glucose: negative
5. glucose: negative
4. bilirubin: negative
5. bilirubin: negative
4. ketones: moderate
5. ketones: "3+" <- above detection range
4. specific gravity: 1.020
5. specific gravity: 1.011
4. hemoglobin: negative
5. occult blood: negative
4. pH 5.0
5. pH 5.5
4. protein: negative
4. urobilinogen: < 2.0
4. nitrite: negative
5. nitrite: negative
4. leukocyte esterase: negative
5. leukocyte esterase: negative
4. WBC: 0-5
5. WBC: 0-5
4. RBC: 0-2
5. RBC: 0-2
4. squamous epithelial cells: none
5. squamous epithelial cells: none
4. hyaline casts: none
5. hyaline casts: none
4. calcium oxylate crystals: occasional
5. protein: negative
5. bacteria: none
 


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Posted 13 June 2015 - 02:18 PM

I managed to repeat the #2 on Memory Matrix, beating out yesterday's score, which substantially reduces the odds that the pair of events was a fluke. (I've only ever played it twice since the last time I played Lumosity -- today and yesterday -- so there's no best-of-many effect going on here.)

 

The other thing that happened this morning, quite out of the blue, was a sudden dampening of my tinnitus on the left. This only ever happened 2 other times in the past year, that I recall. Both times, as documented in this thread, were within hours following GCSF injection. Unfortunately, in both of those cases, the tinnitus returned some days later. To be clear, while tinnitus volume does go up and down in response to a wide array of factors, it does so over a period of hours, not seconds. In all 3 cases here, it happened within a few seconds.

 

I suspect I know what's going on here: the brain is aware of the tinnitus problem and is constantly trying to repair it. However, the auditory processing circuitry is plagued with plaque, vascular damage, hypoxia, or whatever form of pathology, which makes repair virtually impossible. There are 2 ways to overcome this: (1) exogenously induce high enough levels of growth factors to allow the circuits to repair themselves despite the local chaos or (2) clean the environment sufficiently well that the low level of natural endogenous secretion of growth factors is sufficient to achieve repair. Logically, #2 would be a more robust repair mechanism on account of less rampant pathology, once the growth factors had been removed. I'm not foolish enough to think that biology is logical, however. At least, it's lasted over an hour now, which has been a welcome break from the constant low-level squeal.

 


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Posted 14 June 2015 - 01:08 PM

Tinnitus came back this morning. I guess that's not surprising. Still, it's nice to see that my brain is aware of the problem and trying to correct it. If this is due to the Longvida, I would expect it to try again in this obvious way. Otherwise, it might not.



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Posted 14 June 2015 - 08:33 PM

On the plus side, my pre-breakfast Lumosity session netted #4 on Memory Matrix. So despite playing Lumosity well over 100 times, and having quit for the past 2 months, the last 3 sessions have placed #2, #3, and #4. The probability of that occurring at random is smaller than 1 in 1000, which I think has statistical significance.

 

That said, all I claim to have demonstrated is that high doses of SSRIs (Longvida) with 6 mg/d c60oo improves immediate visual memory -- hardly a remarkable discovery. Of course, what I'd like to show is that it was mostly due to the removal of beta amyloid from the visual cortex. But that would require, for one thing, data showing that the effects persist weeks to months after supplement cessation. I don't plan to cease either, although I do plan to reduce the Longvida at some point.

 

In the meantime, I attempted to make things more palatable by preparing a coconut-onion-mussel curry with Curcubrain. Trust me, don't try that at home!

 



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 03:07 AM

Just for the record, I could feel heavy psychological depression trying to bear down on me today. I'm not very susceptible to depression, unless it's for a real reason (bad news, basically). So I've been ignoring it because I know it's an annoying neurotransmitter issue. Nevertheless I thought I should point it out because naturally depressed people on megadose Longvida might go suicidal. (Granted, I am taking 50X the base dose!) I'm not sure of the reason, but perhaps I've exhausted my seratonin supply for the moment. In retrospect, Lumosity's observation of slow reaction time might have been the beginnings of this, as opposed to SSRI enhancement of long term potentiation. Hopefully it will abate after the experiment because it takes some effort to ignore, and it's annoying to deal with the slower mental processing. But hey, if it dissolves half my amyloid, I won't complain.

 



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Posted 16 June 2015 - 01:54 PM

Something changed profoundly last night. As I was drifting off to sleep, my head filled with extremely lucid images and sounds (of driving in a garbage truck and talking to the driver, for some utterly insane reason having nothing to do with my past). Then I heard my phone ring. It has an unmistakably distinct complicated ringtone which I've never been able to remember (which is useful to ensure that I don't confuse it with someone else's phone). I got up from the bed and checked the missed calls, only to discover that the last call had been received an hour earlier, before I went to bed. I guess, for some reason, the ringtone had sounded in my head. It was that real.

 

Then this morning I blew the lights out on Lumosity and ended up at maximum LPI. (But I wish I understood the real meaning of LPI to begin with!)

 

Of course, the big question is: why? I suspect it's due to the shiitake-maitake pill I had yesterday (2/3 instead of 1/3 cap), although I've taken the whole pill several times and not had this much effect. It could also be due to Longvida, because the whole episode goes along with the general trend above, of gradually improving immediate visual memory. I don't think we'll know until enough crazy nuts decide to repeat my experiment.

 


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Posted 20 June 2015 - 02:40 PM

I got #1 on Observation Tower and #2 on Trouble Brewing today. This is yet more evidence of improvement in immediate visual memory. To review, Observation Tower flashes digits, then hides them behind circles, whereupon the user must click them in the same order in which the digits increased. There is no time limit, but rather, just 15 rounds. Trouble Brewing requires the user to switch back and forth between order tickets for various types of coffee, and the brewing machine. A time limit is imposed. Switching back and forth too often wastes time, so visual memory is critical to minimizing this. But it also taxes visual memory on the brewing machine side, in that the user only gets rewarded for stopping the machine when the coffee is ready, and not if it the cup overflows.

 

It's interesting to me that I saw the same sort of memory improvements with GCSF, which I haven't taken since well before starting megadose Longvida. Given that GCSF apparently acts over several months, it's possible that this continued improvement is a lingering effect. Or maybe it's the cummulative effect of 6 mg/day c60oo. Personally, I think the simplest explanation is that high SSRI doses cause visual information to persist in immediate storage for longer.

 

Longterm memory is still excellent. Recent (between immediate and longterm) memory is, of course, what I most need to improve -- and unfortunately Lumosity doesn't test it. In that regard, in the past week, I've noticed that after watching a documentary TV show, I can recite large portions of it without stalling much. I can also see much clearer "photos" of the show in my head after the fact. Now, I can't call this scientific, except that it exercises my weakest performing memory, which is between several minutes and several hours. I'm still weak when it comes to remembering new words or names, and usually require several exposures to get it right. This probably relates to the different brain localizations for semantic vs. visual or episodic memory.

 


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Posted 22 June 2015 - 02:06 PM

I got #1 on Brain Shift yesterday and #1 on Disillusion today. Both of these games test mutlitasking ability. Brain Shift randomly shifts between categorization of letter-number pairs by whether the number is even or the letter is a vowel. Disillusion randomly shifts between categorization by color or symbol. In my view, this is merely more SSRI evidence: I don't confuse the current request with the previous one, and I make less nervous mistakes. So while that's all well and good, I can't say this has anything to do with amyloid disaggregation at the moment.



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 02:52 AM

Got #3 on Brain Shift for what it's worth. But otherwise I just wanted to make a few notes for the record about megadose Longvida:

 

1. It may be coincidence, but I noticed that my "fake emotional depression" days coincided with mixing Longvida with coconut milk and/or butter. Despite what I would have thought, perhaps this isn't a good idea. And I only quit doing today because yesterday I mixed it with a bit too much coconut oil, resulting in digestive failure, to put it mildly.

 

2. For the first time, I took a whole bottle mixed in a few ounces of water this morning. It wasn't too hard to get down. Hours later I felt fantastic, although quite exhausted, even moreso than usual with this supplement. I ended up snoozing for an hour or so just to recharge, which hardly ever happens to me anymore, on account of my ketogenic energy supply. And for that matter, I've been quite mopey all day. Nevertheless, I don't think this is anymore than a giant SSRI effect. If I can just cope with this for 3 more weeks...

 

3. I've tried to keep my diet as uniform as I can stand. What would be the point of breaking the world's record for the amount of Longvida consumed in a month, only to end up with flimsy conclusions due to confounding variables? But it's gotten so boring that I'm counting the days until I can eat steamed mushrooms again. For the record, my diet contains, in no particular order: low sugar high fat Greek yoghurt, blueberries, brocolli, butter, coconut oil, coconut milk, crab, mussels, chia seeds, cherry tomatoes, avocados, cheese, tons of random spices (but not tumeric, which I only ate once to treat a stomach ache) and last but not least, a can of beans per week. But above all, butter!

 

User Playground recommended somewhere that tumeric and lipidated curcumin should both be consumed, considering that the former has some benefits not present in the latter. I think I agree, but for now, I'll stick to my totally boring diet.

 


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 03:10 PM

Just a little update... I'm still on my uberboring diet. The only "exciting" development in that vein is my switch to a new brand of MCT oil, which has no flavor at all (as opposed to a rancid/chemical taste no doubt due to substandard processing). The only negative of MCT oil vs. virgin coconut oil is the absence of lauric acid in the former, hence a loss of the antibiotic properties. But in exchange for this, I get deeper into ketosis per calorie consumed. For the record, I'm using "Now Sports" MCT oil (but they don't pay me a commission, so if you have a better oil to recommend, I'm always on the lookout). All else being equal, I'd rather be consuming 100% betahydroxybutyrate with acetoacetate. But apparently it's about as appetizing as jet fuel, so for the moment, I'll pass.

 

I've tried several techniques to enhance the effect of Longvida without changing the dose (still 20 g/day). For some reason, I seem to feel the most potent disinflammatory effects if I mix it with breakfast and consume it over several hours. (By the way, I use the term "disinflammatory" to refer to the prevention of inflammation, as distinct from "antiinflammatory", which refers to a pharmaceutical which masks its effects downstream of the root causes.) So, intuitively, I suppose that the maximum neurological benefit is to be derived from gradual systemic loading, as opposed to plasma Cmax spikes. Granted, the rat studies showed greatest antiamyloid effectiveness at greatest Cmax, but I think this was merely because greatest Cmax was associated with greatest AUC (overall exposure -- "area under curve"). Personally, I go by how I feel and how I'm functioning. So pending any discoveries to the contrary, I'd say that slow and steady consumption throughout the day is the way to go. And incidentally, I seem to have better results and when it's simply stirred in a cup of water, as opposed to dissolved in MCT oil. (I'm not sure why. This might just be the result of the poor quality oil that I had been using, which also caused some stomach upset.)

 

On the minus side, my sense of smell has receded again. (I can still smell, but with less intensity.) I suspect that chocolate or EGB761 may address that, but I won't do any modifications to my supplement regimen until after concluding the Longvida microtrial. GCSF is also expressly excluded during this period. And c60oo is steady at 6 mg/day.

 

I'm still playing Lumosity on most days. We'll see what happens with all that. I'll publish the data here after my last bottle.

 


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 10:11 PM

I lost my sense of smell again too. It's like I get the faintest indication that something is there sometimes almost as though the air particles feel different when walking past some roses my husband picked for me. Nothing more



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Posted 05 July 2015 - 04:13 AM

I lost my sense of smell again too. It's like I get the faintest indication that something is there sometimes almost as though the air particles feel different when walking past some roses my husband picked for me. Nothing more

 

In my case, I'm pretty sure that the loss was due to the cessation of chocolate some time ago. I'm looking for alternative olfactory enhancers, which is yet another good reason why I'm looking forward to the NGF group buy.

 

In your case, unsweetened chocolate might do the trick, provided it doesn't make you overly jittery  (or inhibit good sleep, which it does in my case). For example, Lily's stevia-based chocolate bars. Oh, and you also need c60oo. According to my highly unscientific theory based on extensive personal experimentation, you need both to rescue olfactory sensation.


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Posted 07 July 2015 - 04:41 AM

So it has been pointed out to me on 2 separate occasions by 2 unrelated and most considerate users that I might be making a mistake with my Longvida regimen. In particular, these individuals drew my attention to the fact that rat and/or petri dish studies showed maximal neurogenesis at 500 nM curcumin, such that, at millimolar doses, the trend reverses, eventually decimating neurons at 50 uM, at least in one study (likely due to extreme anticancer dynamics via apoptosis and/or SIRT2). I think they feared that a bottle per day was too much. My answer to this is that 650 mg Longvida only achieved Cmax of 20 nM according to Blake Ebersole of Verdure Sciences (Longvida's manufacturer). So 20 g couldn't exceed 615 nM, and would surely end up well short of this, on account of Cmax saturation with increasing dose. Indeed, if Anthony Loera's data on Longvida are accurate, then saturation occurs rapidly indeed, with a 2 g dose achieving only about 30% more Cmax vs 650 mg. (However, from other data, it seems like total exposure (AUC) is roughly proportional to dose, which means that Cmax just becomes impaired by some saturated conveyance process, perhaps involving the intestinal lining.) Admittedly, Loera's data reflects 61 nM Cmax with the same 650 mg dose, so digestion and genetics may create significant variances here. Nonetheless, if 2 g produces only 88 nM, then there's no chance that I'm reaching 500 nM. Translation: I'm operating on the neurogenic side of the curcumin response curve. That said, growing neurons isn't straightforward. So I'll leave it to Lumosity to decide what's going on here. I want to finish the course before I jump to one conclusion or another.

 


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Posted 07 July 2015 - 09:24 AM

I was looking at the figures for Metacurcumin. Each 7mg serving is equivalent to 1359mg for a man 2035mg for a woman of standard curcumin. Im not taking it now because Im on CDS and that is all because I want to see what if anything that does

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Posted 17 July 2015 - 05:20 PM

OK here is what happened to my Lumosity scores over the past month, which captures most of the Longvida megadosing period.

 

 

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Posted 17 July 2015 - 05:56 PM

As you can see if you click to zoom the image above, there are some interesting features to the results. First of all, don't misinterpret the flatline on the right. That's me going on a road trip for a week and not wanting to mess up the statistics by playing in a different environment; I only played once more, on day 40.

Secondly, the most statistically significant improvement was in the area of mental flexibility, that is, switching between tasks as rapidly as possible, for example switching between analyzing numbers to analyzing letters, or from shapes to colors. Placebo played essentially no role here, as I neither expected nor particularly desired such an outcome. But what this means at the level of curcumin targetting is beyond my comprehension.

Memory also showed a modest improvement. It's important to keep in mind here that Lumosity's notion of memory means very short exposure followed by non-time-limited recall. For example, you flash some different colored squares at me, then I click all the ones that were blue before being hidden. The trouble with all this is that it's not a realistic episodic memory ("street memory") metric. In real life, I would have much more exposure time, but also might need to recall the details at many future times, and sometimes instantly, for example "Hello Mr... uh... uh... Smith".

So what about street memory performance? In short, it improved in some obvious ways, with some caveats. My word recall is better, particularly for older information, which manifests in more fluid conversation. My visual memory has also significantly improved since I previously reported that it had crapped out rather severely, and Lumosity seems to agree. But the failure modes are informative: my most obvious memory failures involve gaps in visual memory. For example, I can remember a street I visited an hour ago, and the one that I visited just a minute ago, but sometimes I can't recall one of the streets in between. The simplest explanation I can think of is that some plaque clearance has occurred, leaving a few blobs of it here and there. The net effect is that my episodic memory has improved, but once in a while my brain tries to encode a new memory on top of a blob of residual plaque, which subsequently fails to decode correctly.

I also seem to require more exposures to new information in order to capture it, for example, hearing a name 3 times instead of once. I ascribe this particular failure mode to SSRI effects: the price of enhanced long term potentiation is the requirement for more neurotransmitter current in order to encode new information, rather like steering an aircraft carrier. This doesn't effect visual memory so much because we spend a rather long time looking at the same scene, although even in that case, I sometimes fail to encode rapid events, for instance, putting my drink on the table quickly.

I suppose the most profound and frankly unexpected evidence of improved street memory is the "parking lot test". I hardly ever forget where I parked anymore. Previously, I would remember only about half of the time. I remember many wasted minutes walking up and down the aisles, clicking my electronic key, hoping for my car to respond. Now, at worst, I'm off by a few meters. But is this due to improved memory, or improved attention to where I parked to begin with? I don't know, but it's definitely welcome. For the record, it took 2 or 3 weeks for this to manifest. At first, I thought it was luck, but now it has gone well beyond statistical signicance.

 

There has been one recurrent and bizarre effect that I should report. For a long time now, I've been used to occasional unpleasant surprises, for example, opening the microwave to heat my tea, only to find that I had already done so, with the tea long since cooled. But a couple weeks into megadose Longvida, the opposite happened: I would fail to remember heating my tea, but suspect that I had in fact done so, only to open the microwave and find it empty. It started to occur with greater and greater frequency, until now neither phenomenon seems to occur all that often (unless it involves a quick and mundane act, like putting a drink on the table or locking the door). Perhaps what this tells me is that my memory failures had led my brain to compensate in a subtle way by forming conclusions from vague suspicions. After all, if you have a poor memory, and some foggy notion that you put your tea in the microwave, then there's a good chance that you actually did. But if your memory improves, it takes some time for your brain to be more demanding of evidence from memory. So in the meantime, you find yourself mistaking past events (like putting my tea in the microwave yesterday) for current ones. If this happens to you, don't freak out. Let your brain recalibrate.

 

I think it's noteworthy that speed and problem solving skills didn't really change. I don't know what this means. But in practice, I would say that curcumin has slowed my mental processing somewhat. I find this acceptable in exchange for the memory benefit otherwise.

And what do I think about dose? My gut feeling is that anything over 10 pills is probably not useful because it's not well absorbed. Indeed, a couple times, I felt like the stuff went right through me. (Trust me, do not take Longvida mixed with coconut oil on an empty stomach! Stirring it up in hot tea or coffee seems more effective.)

After a few days of no curcumin, I'll switch to Solgar Broad Spectrum Curcumin. Thanks to jefferson for pointing out some persuasive rodent data which suggests that it's worth a try.

I'm currently evaluating some unrelated therapeutic options and will report back when I start a new regimen.

 


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Posted 18 July 2015 - 01:49 PM

Having repaired blood vessels and removed some unknown amount of amyloid, my next focus is on white matter regeneration. With that in mind, I just took my first ever 500 mg of lion's mane this morning. So far, all I can say is that the rumors are true: it's delicious, and tastes rather like abalone.

 

I will admit upfront that I'm very skeptical that lion's mane's primary mechanism of action involves NGF upregulation. While that may be involved, it seems to me that some other pathway might explain the majority of its effects. Otherwise, why would the benefits return to baseline a month after 4 months of continuous use (3 g/day) according to the Japanese study? Neurons should last longer than that; otherwise we'd all be idiots by age 20. OTOH, this might be explained by (1) lion's mane making only a small difference in the neuron population, which nonetheless results in disproportionately large cognitive benefits (perhaps because NGF is more of a neural stem cell repair signalling molecule, than a tissue bulking "steroid" for the brain) or (2) the study involved elderly patients with varying degrees of dementia, implying that the neural environment was toxic and therefore not neuroprotective.

 

For the record, my sense of smell is quite poor at the moment. I'm not sure why. No doubt I could improve the situation with chocolate, but I don't want to go back onto it on account of the side effects.


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Posted 19 July 2015 - 02:43 PM

As covered in detail in various sources, NGF is a poorly named molecule in the sense that it's a repair signalling molecule moreso than a bona fide growth factor. As such, in tiny doses, it behaves like an anxiolytic nootropic in a variety of species, on a timescale hundreds of times too short to induce meaningful neurogeneration. It sort of seems like an alarm bell that alerts the CNS to injury, and mobilizes NSCs etc in order to clean the environment and (eventually) form new neurons and connections.

 

When I think about it, this could actually explain what happened to me since my first lion's mane dose (Fungi Perfecti Host Defense powder caps, 100% mycelium, 0% fruiting body, for the record). Yes, I felt quite clear-headed after getting over a morning headache yesterday, but not to an extent that could not be explained by placebo. I did take 2 Aleve yesterday, around 16 hours prior to playing, which surely helped. The net effect on Lumosity was that I scored #3 on Penguin Pursuit, #2 on Speed Match, and #1 on Pet Detective. (Pet Detective is particularly maddening because it requires one to solve a travelling salesman problem, such that finishing faster achieves a higher score.) To do this all on one day, with a history of over 100 sessions, is statistically significant, especially when cognitive decline is the default assumption. The day's net performance was one point shy of maximum LPI (which doesn't say all that much, considering that I set the record using Longvida). My tentative explanation is that NGF (or something in lion's mane) convinced my brain that it was under assault and needed repair. But fortunately, this process does not seem to involve an increase in inflammation that would accompany a real injury.

 

Will I habituate to 500 mg and require a higher dose? Probably. (As a stereotypical American, I have an uncontrollable desire to maximize the dosage of everything beneficial, so it's going to require some discipline to stay on the low side until it no longer works.) So I'm not counting any unhatched chickens here. Still, it's cool to see what lion's mane can accomplish by way of acute cognitive enhancement.

 


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Posted 21 July 2015 - 02:01 AM

Notes for the record...

 

While continuing on 500 mg/day lion's mane, I started Solgar Full Spectrum Curcumin, with a dose of two 40 mg gelcaps (40 mg curcumin with 8 mg curcuminoids, whatever that means). Solgar looks like a viscous yellow syrup (but tastes strongly "medicinal") whereas Longvida looks like yellow grains of sand. All else being equal, I would expect smaller particle size to imply greater effectiveness, but it's all in the formulation, so who knows. I don't plan to down a bottle a day, but I might work up to 10 or so. We'll see.

 

BTW I've noticed how others have reported enhanced color and depth perception with lion's mane. While color is as vivid as it's ever been, I can't say that I see an improvement. Nor would I say that my depth perception has improved. I do seem to perform faster object decoding in the visual field, however. This is odd, and has surprised me a few times. Does this mean that lion's mane is making me more autistic? I don't know, but perhaps that would be advantageous. And maybe those other visual effects take longer to manifest, although my impression is that they're acute.

 

One other thing: I'm still taking about half of a shiitake-maitake pill daily, having resumed a while ago after a long pause. It's possible that this is producing a synergistic effect with the lion's mane, considering the genetic similarities among various mushroom species.

 



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Posted 21 July 2015 - 01:20 PM

Whoa! Out of my usual 5 games today, here's what happened:

#1 on Playing Koi (remembering which fish you fed)
#1 on River Ranger (remembering which animals you saw)
#1 on Speed Pack (spatial orientation and mirroring)
#1 on Brain Shift (number/letter task switching)

On at least one of these, I had not made #1 since 2014.

I couldn't believe it myself, so I attached a screen shot of the session's results. I didn't play yesterday because Lumosity was down for maintenance, so in combination with the previous results, we have an extremely atypical acute outcome here. What's going on? Whatever it is, it can't be new neurons yet. And I'm still playing the same way I always have, with no in-between practice sessions and no studying of other people's techniques.

Maybe NGF is more strongly biphasic than I thought (or again, there's some other molecule at work in the acute phase). Extrapolating from stem cell therapy, I would hypothesize that this molecule has invoked environmental remediation via microglia activation, rather like GMCSF appears to do. Curcumin has catalyzed the process due to lower background neuroinflammation. The cummulative reduction in pollution has led to this improvement in scores.
 

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 05:05 AM

So I made the mistake of eating tons of raw unsalted macadamia nuts for several days in a row after my previous posting. Predictably, my memory scores decreased on Lumosity. I've discussed this problem before which might be unique to my genetics, as vegans and paleos alike consider them healthy. (Although I do wonder whether it's all the omega-6 dominating the fat transport shuttles into the brain.)

I've stopped that as of a few days ago, so within a few more days, hopefully, things will renormalize. (It was a painful loss. I gave the rest of the $50, 5-pound bag to a friend of mine who has much better self-control when surrounded by piles of macadamias.) Granted, I'm also missing the SSRI effect of megadose Longvida, so that may be part of the problem. I also started taking a daily low-sugar green juice about a week ago. I've also abstained from coconut oil for a week, save for a bit of coconut milk, so clearly I need to get back on it.

On the plus side, I've seen some improvements, all of which I ascribe to the green juice, as I can't imagine how lion's mane could be involved. (I think I'm in the months-long gap between the initial NSC signalling "pop" demonstrated above, and renervation.)

 

So first of all, I've started having the familiar chocolate-induced symptoms of odor intolerance, only without the chocolate. My car interior smells too much like a car interior. My varnished bed frame smells too much like varnish. etc. I think this is nothing more revolutionary than megadose selenium in action (thank you, kale juice).

The other symptom is a bit odd. I've been taking my lion's mane in powder form for a while, because frankly I hate swallowing the gelcap every day. (It's only one cap, but I have others as well.) But it has started to taste less like abalone (savory and satisfying) and more like salted crackers (freakin' crack!). It's doubly odd because I haven't had a salted cracker in years. I feel like I could sit there all day, dumping the stuff down my throat, like a metabolically deranged teenager assaulting a carton of French fries. So today, I upped my dose to 2 g from 500 mg previously. If I feel OK tomorrow, I think I'll start popping the stuff like candy and see what happens. (Please don't try this at home, at least until I can test my liver enzymes; reishi mushrooms, for their part, may be disruptive in this regard.) It's the best I can do until I figure out a more sustainable way to pound on NGF. (I wonder if one can become "NGF resistent"? Now that would be a disease I'd love to have...)
 

And finally, while I'm experiencing familiar Longvida effects from Solgar, I'm pretty sure at this point that Longvida offers the same for less money. It seems like I need to take roughly 3 Solgars to equal one Longvida.

 



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Posted 31 July 2015 - 05:02 PM

So as I wrote above, I took 2g of lion's mane yesterday. In particular, 500mg in the morning and 1500mg at night. This morning I awoke with a diffuse headache. It occurred to me that it might be due to the lion's mane, although it seemed like the sort of headache one gets due to poor hydration, which can occasionally occur if I drink too much or too little before bed. These are usually easy to fix with proper rehydration. But I didn't want to ingest anything but plain water until I finished my Lumosity session.

So I did that. To my surprise, the results were as you can see in the image below:

#1 on Tidal Treasures
#1 on Brain Shift
#1 on Pet Detective
#1 on Color Match

This has never occurred before, apart from the time posted above, and the first time I played (when, obviously, all scores are #1). But this time, I haven't had any Aleve or other antiinflammatories since I had last mentioned it above. I had Solgar curcumin yesterday, but at about the same quantity as usual (maybe 8 pills). The only real difference was the sudden 300% increase in lion's mane intake. So I think the simplest explanation for this strongly aberrant behavior is simply another first-phase NGF signalling spike. Or, suffice to say that something in the lion's mane is doing this on an acute basis in response to a huge increase in intake. It's hard to explain it otherwise, given the extreme difficulty of obtaining these results, and the timing within hours of dose increase.

I should add that, time and again, I've noticed that my scores are consistently higher when playing with a headache, which is quite the opposite of what I would expect. Perhaps there's a hormetic effect going on, not unlike what occurs with LLLT.

After I finished, I had a green juice. But the headache persists even now, leading me to suspect that something other than hydration is to blame. Perhaps it's an indirect pain associated with the NGF repair cascade.

 

If you're wondering how it feels playing the timed games, all I can say is that it's as if I know things before I know them, as though the answers are being delivered subliminally. I just strike the keys for the right answer, then later figure out in hindsight why I struck the key that way. It doesn't feel like an acceleration in processing, such as caffeine would deliver. It feels more like I'm watching someone play, only understanding their moves after the fact. Playing the untimed games is just more fluid, as though it's easier to remember past events or objects. The only real trouble spot is games which test memory after a vey short exposure, such as Follow that Frog. I seem to need more exposure time to form a memory.

 

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 06:25 PM

Hey Res I started the regime you gave me last Saturday minus the solgar and Mitake but I get the same reaction with the Lions Mane it drains the water leaving me thirsty.

And if I up dosage..headaches as well as long as I keep hydrated I'm fine.

I did get a brief moment of clarity after headache also, since my chess game with the computer got better.. of course just for that day.

But took a break from it yesterday been feeling a little under the weather. Good news though the Solgar should be showing up in the mail today.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 10:29 PM

Lion's Mane is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor. Like donepezil, it will increase blood flow to the brain(which is probably why the headache occurs). Your scores are more likely to be due to increased acetylcholine, and more blood into the brain, than NGF effects.

 

I take donepezil and supplement it with Lion's Mane as needed, and the effects of the two are exactly the same(expect for the explosive diarrhea effect of donepezil) as far as I can tell. The blood flow increase is very apparent.


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Posted 01 August 2015 - 03:59 AM

Lion's Mane is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor. Like donepezil, it will increase blood flow to the brain(which is probably why the headache occurs). Your scores are more likely to be due to increased acetylcholine, and more blood into the brain, than NGF effects.

 

I take donepezil and supplement it with Lion's Mane as needed, and the effects of the two are exactly the same(expect for the explosive diarrhea effect of donepezil) as far as I can tell. The blood flow increase is very apparent.

 

Fascinating! So I have some questions:

 

1. Is the blood flow increase somehow due to ACh inhibition, or an unrelated pathway? (And yes, I could see how that might cause a headache.)

 

2. I can't find any good studies supporting its role as an ACh inhibitor. Did you have one in mind?

 

3. It seems, based on the results with Lumosity, that the improvement is better characterized by faster reaction time, as opposed to memory. I would expect an ACh inhibitor would tend to enhance the latter, but I've never taken one so I don't know for sure.

 

4. The acute effects of low-dose NGF are well-established. But if you're correct that all this is due to enhanced choline persistence, in which case I did not in fact experience these predictable effects, then where did the NGF go? Does the BBB block hericones and erinacines and NGF itself, in which case, even the longterm mental effects are not due to NGF synthesis? Are you suggesting that the NGF from lion's mane never enters the BBB, and its effects are down to ACh inhibition? That would rock some boats...



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Posted 01 August 2015 - 05:20 PM

Somewhere, at some point in my researches I read that increasing acetylcholine in the brain allows the blood vessels to dilate(which to me seem counter intuitive), but I can't find the reference. I've also read that it's the increased metabolism induced by the elevated acetylcholine, that causes the increase in blood flow.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3324180/

 

Our results show increased regional CBF in the MCC and the PCC (Figure 2) after donepezil treatment. The previous study reports that the CBF of the posterior cingulate regions was significantly decreased in AD subjects compared with cognitively normal subjects (Bohnen et al., 2005; Dai et al., 2009; Hanyu et al., 2010; Minoshima et al., 1997; Nakano et al., 2001; Staff et al., 2000; Tateno et al., 2008; Ushuijima et al., 2006; Yoshida et al., 2007). Our findings suggest that an increased CBF in the PCC is reflective of an improvement of the cerebral blood flow values toward normalcy after donepezil treatment. These results also are consistent with the “cholinergic hypothesis” (Bartus, 2000). It is conceivable that treatment of AD with AChEIs should restore, or partially restore, synaptic activities within the cholinergic pathways, and the CBF increase reflects elevated brain metabolism and neural activity among brain regions within these cholinergic pathways. Intriguingly, the MCC and the PCC are the two most important regions located in the medial cholinergic pathway (MCP), a major pathway in human cholinergic network

 

If increased levels of acetylcholine in the brain cause increased brain metabolism then I'd think that could account for a faster reaction time.

 

No, I can't find any good references for Lion's Mane as an ACHEI either. Dang it. It's something I read early in my research, but could just be anecdotal. I'm having a hard time finding stuff I read last week. Either it's me(very possibel) or PubMed is having search issues.

 

Sorry. Maybe my input should just be ignored.

 

 



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Posted 01 August 2015 - 08:27 PM

I apologize for polluting this thread.

 

I don't seem to be able to delete my posts.

 

What I appear to have done is confused, in my mind, Lion's Mane being a ACE inhibitor with it being an AChE inhibitor.

 

ACE refers to Angiotensin Converting Enzyme.

 

AChE refers to Acetylcholinesterase.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21716693

 

Again, my apologies.

 

The effects I feel that remind me of, and interact with donepezil, are probably due to the blood pressure effects both substances can cause.

 

 

 



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Posted 01 August 2015 - 09:42 PM

I apologize for polluting this thread.

 

I don't seem to be able to delete my posts.

 

What I appear to have done is confused, in my mind, Lion's Mane being a ACE inhibitor with it being an AChE inhibitor.

 

ACE refers to Angiotensin Converting Enzyme.

 

AChE refers to Acetylcholinesterase.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21716693

 

Again, my apologies.

 

The effects I feel that remind me of, and interact with donepezil, are probably due to the blood pressure effects both substances can cause.

 

I don't think this is a problem. Now most of us just learned something. And to the extent that acetylcholinesterase is downstream of NGF, and NGF has the capacity to rescue cholingeric neurons, your comment is technically correct. I just don't think it's an acute effect, as it would be for donepezil. It's interesting to me that they cause similar effects for you, though.

 

Speaking of which, I went to 2.5 g yesterday. I suddenly had vivid dreams, where colors where exaggerated (but correct).

 

In any event, our little discussion here has reinforced the theory that my experiences thus far are of the aforementioned early-phase NGF variety. But who knows. It's not like we really understand much of this...



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Posted 03 August 2015 - 01:00 PM

#5 on Lost in Migration (visualmotor response)
#1 on Raindrops (arithmetic)
#5 on Memory Matrix (visual memory)
#1 on Brain Shift (task switching)
#1 on Follow That Frog (working memory)

Notably, Follow That Frog (while he jumps on lily pads several steps ahead of you) seemed much more fluid. I wasn't getting quite as dumbfounded trying to play it, for lack of a better explanation. No game even comes close to that one for its capacity to utterly fry one's brain in the course of a few minutes.

I'm not sure what happened. Maybe this is somehow due to yesterday's shiitake-maitake pill being a bit more potent than usual due to manufacturing variances. Or maybe it's the lion's mane, although I took only 2.5 g yesterday. And I only had about 5 Solgars. But something is definitely changing, and Lumosity seems to agree. If nothing else, it seems that I'm over the effects of the macadamia binge.
 

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