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[KieranA001]

I'm 19, male and live in the UK and suffer from the following. If anyone has any idea what's causing these chronic symptoms, I'd be very grateful as I've been trying for 3 years without any luck, and I just want to live a normal life just like everyone else. Thanks. :-)

 

SYMPTOMS:

• Lack of mental and visual sharpness / clearness and awareness;
• Less aware of environment (Spaced out feeling);
• Bad memory / recollection of recent information;
• Difficulty thinking;
• Inability to listen / understand simple tasks;
• Lethargy / Sluggishness;
• Loss of awareness / consciousness when going from prone to standing: (Breathlessness);
• Light-headedness (Mainly in winter or upon waking);
• Low mood / pessimistic thinking;
• Irritability or frustration when trying to concentrate on something / lack of focus;
• Cold tingling sensation in fingers / hands when positioned back of head / kneeling on knees;
• Black fixated dot in centre of vision (occurs and goes away after a minute), get it once every few months;  

Things that Help:

• Exercise (30/40-min non-stop increases visual sharpness and slightly decreases spaced-out feeling);
• Sun light (decreases low-mood and lethargy feeling / increases optimistic thinking)
• Walking for 50 min home, get light-headed (delayed vision) and increase in visual sharpness

Things that make worse:

• Alcohol – (Has once made mental and visual symptoms above worse in the following):

 

• Increased brain fog – (felt even more detached from everything, felt unaware of own actions) and had disorientation;
• Increased sluggishness thinking / movements;
• Inability to stand for long periods / felt “out of breath”; ~especially when trying to shower; 

[3mp0w3r]

It sounds like there are a few things going on.  

 

"Loss of awareness / consciousness when going from prone to standing: (Breathlessness).  

 Inability to stand for long periods / felt “out of breath”; ~especially when trying to shower;"

 

Might represent postural hypotension.  Could be something to look into.  Can easily have a nurse/GP check blood pressure lying / standing.  There are more complex conditions like postural orthostatic tachycardia sydrome but that requires a tilt table test.  

 

Also sounds like you are sensitive to the lack of sunlight during winter.  There are SAD lights you can purchase.  I don't have one myself but I am currently looking into a sunrise simulating alarm clock.  Basically an alarm with a light that gradually bightens over 30min to simulate the sunrise.  They are supposed to make waking up much easier.  

 

Lack of concentration and memory has lots of threads on here.  It might take some time to track down something that works.  Many of us are chasing solutions for this problem.  It might help to make a separate thread about for some of the problems since you have listed many things in one topic.  

 

[niner]

It does sound a lot like postural hypotension.  I used to have a real problem with that, and c60 olive oil eliminated it for me.  Mine was caused by a hereditary venous problem, but I wouldn't expect a venous problem in someone your age.  You sound like you have a generalized hypoxia, which might be low blood pressure, or possibly a heart issue, or maybe you are anemic.  Low blood sugar is another thing I'd look at.   What does your doctor think is happening?  Have you had standard medical tests like blood work and EKG?  If you haven't brought this condition up with a doctor, I think you should.   I'd start with a medical diagnosis, and if you don't get an obvious fix there, try some c60 olive oil.

[KieranA001]

It sounds like there are a few things going on.  

 

"Loss of awareness / consciousness when going from prone to standing: (Breathlessness).  

 Inability to stand for long periods / felt “out of breath”; ~especially when trying to shower;"

 

Might represent postural hypotension.  Could be something to look into.  Can easily have a nurse/GP check blood pressure lying / standing.  There are more complex conditions like postural orthostatic tachycardia sydrome but that requires a tilt table test.  

 

Also sounds like you are sensitive to the lack of sunlight during winter.  There are SAD lights you can purchase.  I don't have one myself but I am currently looking into a sunrise simulating alarm clock.  Basically an alarm with a light that gradually bightens over 30min to simulate the sunrise.  They are supposed to make waking up much easier.  

 

Lack of concentration and memory has lots of threads on here.  It might take some time to track down something that works.  Many of us are chasing solutions for this problem.  It might help to make a separate thread about for some of the problems since you have listed many things in one topic.  

 

Hi, I also notice my heart rate increases when going from kneeling to standing. I've brought a SAD light, and use it every night but it hasn't really done much for me. Been using it for a month now although I've had it ages!

 

I have noticed that my vision goes kinda "shadowy" and I get a black shadow "flicker / scrolling" effect when I move my eyes left to right. I also get a light-headed effect, although not sure if it's light-headed. It's like, when I move my head left to right my vision moves in the opposite direction slightly. Is that light-headed? 

 

I have had a CBC done before, and they said I had low iron and folic acid levels, in which I took them and didn't notice any difference after a month so I stopped them. I have tried taking B-complex but they just cause me to have tingling in my fingers and feet if I take them to much. (longer than a week)

 

I know that my fingernails go purple/blue which means a lack of oxygen. I have tried drinking more for two-weeks, 2L of water daily. Not sure if that could have fixed chronic dehydration by then though... I have tried nitric oxide supplements e.g. L-arginine but that just makes it worse. Need a supplement that might boost blood pressure and circulation to organs, but still cannot find anything apart from Ginkgold which helps slightly. (not much though)!

[KieranA001]

It does sound a lot like postural hypotension.  I used to have a real problem with that, and c60 olive oil eliminated it for me.  Mine was caused by a hereditary venous problem, but I wouldn't expect a venous problem in someone your age.  You sound like you have a generalized hypoxia, which might be low blood pressure, or possibly a heart issue, or maybe you are anemic.  Low blood sugar is another thing I'd look at.   What does your doctor think is happening?  Have you had standard medical tests like blood work and EKG?  If you haven't brought this condition up with a doctor, I think you should.   I'd start with a medical diagnosis, and if you don't get an obvious fix there, try some c60 olive oil.

 

Indeed I think it might be something related. I think it might be something related to my adrenal glands maybe, I've done a self-test for my thyroid, and it comes back all clear. (hope I did it right!) I will give c60 olive oil a consideration. My doctor doesn't really do much... All he did was give me a blood test, and then say nothing is wrong, and then that was it! And he blames it on anxiety and depression, although I know it isn't, and that they're just the symptoms, as it has all gone away before when I was at the beach, all day in the sun, drinking 2L of water and 3 cans of coca cola, with some omega 3 fish oil that I was going to take home, and then at the end of the day I felt happy, anxious and energetic and had the weird vision effect of a black shadowy effect flickering across my vision when I go to move my eyes.

 

I haven't had EKG done before. The doctors I go to are quite vain and automatically put my symptoms into a prognosis before checking further.

[niner]

Well, the doctor had a chance to examine you, and we haven't.  The doctor probably has a lot more clinical experience than anyone posting here, so we should at least consider the possibility that the doctor is onto something.  However, your constellation of symptoms does not sound at all like typical depression / anxiety symptoms.  It sounds organic to me.   Have you ever been formally diagnosed with a mood disorder, significant anxiety, or other mental illness?    Tell us about your diet, sleep, and exercise habits.  Do you use any medicines, recreational drugs, or supplements?

[KieranA001]

Well, the doctor had a chance to examine you, and we haven't.  The doctor probably has a lot more clinical experience than anyone posting here, so we should at least consider the possibility that the doctor is onto something.  However, your constellation of symptoms does not sound at all like typical depression / anxiety symptoms.  It sounds organic to me.   Have you ever been formally diagnosed with a mood disorder, significant anxiety, or other mental illness?    Tell us about your diet, sleep, and exercise habits.  Do you use any medicines, recreational drugs, or supplements?

 

Hi,

 

I have been diagnosed with having anxiety, depression and some other phobias e.g. Social phobia and agoraphobia. However, I feel that when my brain fog got better, my depression lifted, my mental state felt different in which I actually felt positive and happy despite how I, in some ways, hate my life style. Although, I think my lifestyle might be the cause of some of the depression.. Plus I generally how low self-esteem coupled with not really getting any pleasure when talking to people. I don't know, it's like I want to talk to people more, I just feel as if they don't really want me being apart of their life so I tend to drift away from people and try not to love them too much because I know I'll only get hurt. Not only that, because of the brain fog or not being able to think, I don't really know what to say most of the time anyway. It's like my brain is not really focused on my environment at all...

 

But, in general my diet is pretty poor. It consists of a typical Sunday roast, with either chicken or red meat. Saturday it's chips and pie, etc basically loads of processed food and carbohydrates and I don't really eat much fruit and veggies. My boss seems to think it's my diet, although I don't really know what to buy when I go into a supermarket because everything you see is packaged anyway..

 

I'm not sure, all I know is that I went to the beach for one day in the hot sun, drinking nothing but loads of water and coke, didn't really eat anything because I didn't feel hungry (due to sun) I just felt jittery and by the time I got home I had some chips and a glass of milk. My mood was better than usual by far, like everything had meaning and happiness to it. I felt less stressed out and didn't worry as much. It made me enjoy life.

 

Next day, wake up and my brain fog was gone, I had painful sunburn to the slightest touch but my fog was gone for two days and then slowly faded back to visual impairment again... I have just started taking B12 capsules with folic acid and they seem to be improving my mood a bit, although it could be placebo..

 

My sleep isn't disturbed at all. I go to sleep at 11:30 and wake up at 5:30 (due to work), although sometimes I go to bed at 10:30 and wake up at 5:30. Try to go to bed as apparently your body detoxes between 11PM and 2AM. I do weights twice a week sometimes. Just when I have the energy to lift them. Normally though, I get more energy after I have been trying to lift them for 10 / 15 minutes. My brain fog goes away a bit, and the next day I feel more energetic for some reason. Less lethargic. Still cannot focus on my assignments though, and get distracted easily or side-tracked. 

 

The only thing I take is a B-complex, and some fish oil. I have tried a mineral mix before, but stopped as it felt weird when I took it. My body felt a little off balance and rush-full. (don't know any other word to explain it).. Apart from that, nothing. Have tried Tianeptine, Kratom and other stuff to help. Nothing does.

All I know is that my vision is seriously messed up when I walk home from work, 40 mins each day in the cold. My brain fog gets better, just very off kilter. My vision moves with my head movements.

[Blackkzeus]

I suggest you start taking some Vitamin D. It seems you suffer from low vitamin D levels since you get a strong positive reaction from sunlight. Also, look into getting your cortisol levels tested. They maybe really low or high, I'm guess they're really high since you suffer from anxiety and depression. Your HPA axis may be dysfunctional, which is related to cortisol release. I think there is a thread on here, I believe it's in either the brain or mental health sub-forum that addresses HPA axis dysfunction and possible treatments. 

 

I experience most of your symptoms, image streaming, meditation, and various supplements such as zinc, fish oil, vitamin k, PhosphatidylSerine, and Magnesium have helped. As for nootropics, Modafinil, Piracetam, and Semax have really have helped combat brain fog, lethargy, and depression

 

Also, you should engage in a practice called no-fap. Which is not masturbating and watching porn for a pro longed period of time. Sustain from ejaculating for like 2 weeks, after that, you should feel like a new man. Dissipation of brain fog, elevated mood, increased libido, diminished anxiety,  and vitality are some of the reported benefits. Personally, I've tried it a few times and have gotten to 30 days on a few occasions and experience all of those benefits. 

 

 

 

Edited by Ed Ntuk, 05 February 2015 - 04:15 AM.

[niner]

I have been diagnosed with having anxiety, depression and some other phobias e.g. Social phobia and agoraphobia. However, I feel that when my brain fog got better, my depression lifted, my mental state felt different in which I actually felt positive and happy despite how I, in some ways, hate my life style. Although, I think my lifestyle might be the cause of some of the depression.. Plus I generally how low self-esteem coupled with not really getting any pleasure when talking to people. I don't know, it's like I want to talk to people more, I just feel as if they don't really want me being apart of their life so I tend to drift away from people and try not to love them too much because I know I'll only get hurt. Not only that, because of the brain fog or not being able to think, I don't really know what to say most of the time anyway. It's like my brain is not really focused on my environment at all...

 

But, in general my diet is pretty poor. It consists of a typical Sunday roast, with either chicken or red meat. Saturday it's chips and pie, etc basically loads of processed food and carbohydrates and I don't really eat much fruit and veggies. My boss seems to think it's my diet, although I don't really know what to buy when I go into a supermarket because everything you see is packaged anyway..

 

I'm not sure, all I know is that I went to the beach for one day in the hot sun, drinking nothing but loads of water and coke, didn't really eat anything because I didn't feel hungry (due to sun) I just felt jittery and by the time I got home I had some chips and a glass of milk. My mood was better than usual by far, like everything had meaning and happiness to it. I felt less stressed out and didn't worry as much. It made me enjoy life.

 

Next day, wake up and my brain fog was gone, I had painful sunburn to the slightest touch but my fog was gone for two days and then slowly faded back to visual impairment again... I have just started taking B12 capsules with folic acid and they seem to be improving my mood a bit, although it could be placebo..

 

My sleep isn't disturbed at all. I go to sleep at 11:30 and wake up at 5:30 (due to work), although sometimes I go to bed at 10:30 and wake up at 5:30. Try to go to bed as apparently your body detoxes between 11PM and 2AM. I do weights twice a week sometimes. Just when I have the energy to lift them. Normally though, I get more energy after I have been trying to lift them for 10 / 15 minutes. My brain fog goes away a bit, and the next day I feel more energetic for some reason. Less lethargic. Still cannot focus on my assignments though, and get distracted easily or side-tracked. 

 

The only thing I take is a B-complex, and some fish oil. I have tried a mineral mix before, but stopped as it felt weird when I took it. My body felt a little off balance and rush-full. (don't know any other word to explain it).. Apart from that, nothing. Have tried Tianeptine, Kratom and other stuff to help. Nothing does.

All I know is that my vision is seriously messed up when I walk home from work, 40 mins each day in the cold. My brain fog gets better, just very off kilter. My vision moves with my head movements.

 

Lot of interesting leads here.  On that day you went to the beach, you went a long time without eating.  That makes me wonder if something in your diet is not agreeing with you.  You could try fasting or an elimination diet.  There's also the environmental allergen angle- you spent the day in a low allergen environment.  You drank a lot of water, although you were probably sweating, so it may mean nothing, but there might be a hydration angle.  The reason I mention that is because you have symptoms (postural hypotension) of hypovolemia; not enough blood volume.  Getting well hydrated fixes that.  There are two aspects to the sun exposure-- the first is endogenous opioids, which are produced by heavy sun exposure, and are why some people get addicted to tanning.  The second is vitamin D.  I think the first is more likely, but it would be cheap and easy to test the second.  Just get some vitamin D3 and see if it helps.  I'd try a large dose, like 10,000 IU, to see if it does anything, but don't take that much every day.   The opioid idea also plays into the energy boost you get after you've been lifting weights for a while.  If there's something to this opioid hypothesis, then LDN therapy would probably be your answer, or a big part of it. 

 

The response you had to the mineral mix might mean something important, or it might just be a red herring.  It depends on what was in it.  If you have a link to the product you used, we could check it out.

 

Your brain fog gets better from aerobic exercise, and you feel better after lifting weights for a while.  These both point to a cardiovascular problem, which is also consistent with many of your other symptoms.  The likely answer here is to exercise a lot.  If you got to the point where you could run a couple miles, you might discover a whole new world.  Instead of lifting twice a week, try four times a week.   

 

I think you might do better with a bit more sleep.  Finally, there's the diet angle.   That's probably a factor, perhaps a large one.  We have a whole forum on that.

[KieranA001]

I suggest you start taking some Vitamin D. It seems you suffer from low vitamin D levels since you get a strong positive reaction from sunlight. Also, look into getting your cortisol levels tested. They maybe really low or high, I'm guess they're really high since you suffer from anxiety and depression. Your HPA axis may be dysfunctional, which is related to cortisol release. I think there is a thread on here, I believe it's in either the brain or mental health sub-forum that addresses HPA axis dysfunction and possible treatments. 

 

I experience most of your symptoms, image streaming, meditation, and various supplements such as zinc, fish oil, vitamin k, PhosphatidylSerine, and Magnesium have helped. As for nootropics, Modafinil, Piracetam, and Semax have really have helped combat brain fog, lethargy, and depression

 

Also, you should engage in a practice called no-fap. Which is not masturbating and watching porn for a pro longed period of time. Sustain from ejaculating for like 2 weeks, after that, you should feel like a new man. Dissipation of brain fog, elevated mood, increased libido, diminished anxiety,  and vitality are some of the reported benefits. Personally, I've tried it a few times and have gotten to 30 days on a few occasions and experience all of those benefits. 

 

Yeah I have got some Vitamin D3 supplements, I have some D3 liquid, and some D3-50 tablets. I don't really get any effect from the tablets as such, but I get a calming, anti-depressant effect from the D3 liquid. Although, I try not to take it in the morning because it seems to inhibit my working abilities, as I get quite confused and tired after taking it.

 

I will look into the cortisol and the HPA axis dysfunction thing more later, although it says all you need to do is de-stress! Easier said than done though. I do already take fish oil and magnesium, one product that seems to help me the most out of anything I've tried so far is "Neuro nector, by buried treasure". I have tried Piracetam and doesn't really do much for me. Although, Coluracetam helps me out a bit. Although I stopped it because of the headaches! Even with a Choline supplement, didn't get rid of them.
 

[KieranA001]

 

I have been diagnosed with having anxiety, depression and some other phobias e.g. Social phobia and agoraphobia. However, I feel that when my brain fog got better, my depression lifted, my mental state felt different in which I actually felt positive and happy despite how I, in some ways, hate my life style. Although, I think my lifestyle might be the cause of some of the depression.. Plus I generally how low self-esteem coupled with not really getting any pleasure when talking to people. I don't know, it's like I want to talk to people more, I just feel as if they don't really want me being apart of their life so I tend to drift away from people and try not to love them too much because I know I'll only get hurt. Not only that, because of the brain fog or not being able to think, I don't really know what to say most of the time anyway. It's like my brain is not really focused on my environment at all...

 

But, in general my diet is pretty poor. It consists of a typical Sunday roast, with either chicken or red meat. Saturday it's chips and pie, etc basically loads of processed food and carbohydrates and I don't really eat much fruit and veggies. My boss seems to think it's my diet, although I don't really know what to buy when I go into a supermarket because everything you see is packaged anyway..

 

I'm not sure, all I know is that I went to the beach for one day in the hot sun, drinking nothing but loads of water and coke, didn't really eat anything because I didn't feel hungry (due to sun) I just felt jittery and by the time I got home I had some chips and a glass of milk. My mood was better than usual by far, like everything had meaning and happiness to it. I felt less stressed out and didn't worry as much. It made me enjoy life.

 

Next day, wake up and my brain fog was gone, I had painful sunburn to the slightest touch but my fog was gone for two days and then slowly faded back to visual impairment again... I have just started taking B12 capsules with folic acid and they seem to be improving my mood a bit, although it could be placebo..

 

My sleep isn't disturbed at all. I go to sleep at 11:30 and wake up at 5:30 (due to work), although sometimes I go to bed at 10:30 and wake up at 5:30. Try to go to bed as apparently your body detoxes between 11PM and 2AM. I do weights twice a week sometimes. Just when I have the energy to lift them. Normally though, I get more energy after I have been trying to lift them for 10 / 15 minutes. My brain fog goes away a bit, and the next day I feel more energetic for some reason. Less lethargic. Still cannot focus on my assignments though, and get distracted easily or side-tracked. 

 

The only thing I take is a B-complex, and some fish oil. I have tried a mineral mix before, but stopped as it felt weird when I took it. My body felt a little off balance and rush-full. (don't know any other word to explain it).. Apart from that, nothing. Have tried Tianeptine, Kratom and other stuff to help. Nothing does.

All I know is that my vision is seriously messed up when I walk home from work, 40 mins each day in the cold. My brain fog gets better, just very off kilter. My vision moves with my head movements.

 

Lot of interesting leads here.  On that day you went to the beach, you went a long time without eating.  That makes me wonder if something in your diet is not agreeing with you.  You could try fasting or an elimination diet.  There's also the environmental allergen angle- you spent the day in a low allergen environment.  You drank a lot of water, although you were probably sweating, so it may mean nothing, but there might be a hydration angle.  The reason I mention that is because you have symptoms (postural hypotension) of hypovolemia; not enough blood volume.  Getting well hydrated fixes that.  There are two aspects to the sun exposure-- the first is endogenous opioids, which are produced by heavy sun exposure, and are why some people get addicted to tanning.  The second is vitamin D.  I think the first is more likely, but it would be cheap and easy to test the second.  Just get some vitamin D3 and see if it helps.  I'd try a large dose, like 10,000 IU, to see if it does anything, but don't take that much every day.   The opioid idea also plays into the energy boost you get after you've been lifting weights for a while.  If there's something to this opioid hypothesis, then LDN therapy would probably be your answer, or a big part of it. 

 

The response you had to the mineral mix might mean something important, or it might just be a red herring.  It depends on what was in it.  If you have a link to the product you used, we could check it out.

 

Your brain fog gets better from aerobic exercise, and you feel better after lifting weights for a while.  These both point to a cardiovascular problem, which is also consistent with many of your other symptoms.  The likely answer here is to exercise a lot.  If you got to the point where you could run a couple miles, you might discover a whole new world.  Instead of lifting twice a week, try four times a week.   

 

I think you might do better with a bit more sleep.  Finally, there's the diet angle.   That's probably a factor, perhaps a large one.  We have a whole forum on that.

 

 

Yeah I have thought it could be diet-related and have tried eating nothing all day, apart from drinking water and eating fruit. It didn't really help, it just made me feel tired and hungry. As forthe endogenous opioids LDN therapy, I don't know how to get it. I know how I can get some naloxone though, if that would do the same?

 

Also, here's the link to the mineral complex I was taking that caused the weird body sensations:

 

http://www.naturesbe...l-complex-p744/

 

Sometimes I notice that when I strech my arms out, the dizziness and unconsciousness gets worse. My chest feels full and I can feel my heart beat more. I will look into my diet a lot more and will do more excersise. It's difficult though, because I most of the time feel lythargic. But I will try my best.

 

I saw a neurologist about it today, and she said that it isn't eye-related. I told her that I think it was blood related, and she got me to do a blood test. I'm not sure what she's testing me for, but I do know that it's a mixture of vitamins and Thyroid as well. She said she can get me to wear a blood pressure monitor and take notes of my blood pressure when symptoms get worse, although not sure how to do that as my symptoms are perminant, and vision never gets better only rarely (once every two years) and goes away for two / three days. 

 

P.S. I thought that it could be dehydration, so I did try drinking 2L of water for two weeks to see how it will effect me. It didn't really do much for me in terms of brain fog. It made me feel better, but didn't cure me as such. It feels like a lack of oxygen, or that oxygen isn't getting to my brain. Even if someone were to hug me, it could cause me to faint if they let go... I don't know though it's all very confusing..

 

Edited by KieranA001, 05 February 2015 - 09:49 PM.

[niner]

LDN stands for low dose naltrexone.  You'd have to learn how to do it if you wanted to try, but I wouldn't jump on that just yet, I'd do easier things first.

 

I looked at that mineral supplement, and the only thing that jumped out at me was the 24 mg of iron, which is way more than most males should use.  I don't see anything that clicks, sorry.

 

You have SO many symptoms that suggest you aren't getting enough blood (or enough oxygen/food) to your brain!  That's the dizziness / fainting feeling.  That's probably why the neurologist suggested the bp monitor.  If the monitor is capable of reading transient fluctuations, then you might discover that you are having frequent momentary dips in bp.  I think you ought to give c60 olive oil a try--  It makes cells function better in hypoxic conditions, among many useful things.  A lot of us use it.  Sarah Vaughter's company is the closest major supplier to you. (I think.) 

 

If more water made you at least feel better, that's another small thing pointing toward a circulatory problem. 

[KieranA001]

LDN stands for low dose naltrexone.  You'd have to learn how to do it if you wanted to try, but I wouldn't jump on that just yet, I'd do easier things first.

 

I looked at that mineral supplement, and the only thing that jumped out at me was the 24 mg of iron, which is way more than most males should use.  I don't see anything that clicks, sorry.

 

You have SO many symptoms that suggest you aren't getting enough blood (or enough oxygen/food) to your brain!  That's the dizziness / fainting feeling.  That's probably why the neurologist suggested the bp monitor.  If the monitor is capable of reading transient fluctuations, then you might discover that you are having frequent momentary dips in bp.  I think you ought to give c60 olive oil a try--  It makes cells function better in hypoxic conditions, among many useful things.  A lot of us use it.  Sarah Vaughter's company is the closest major supplier to you. (I think.) 

 

If more water made you at least feel better, that's another small thing pointing toward a circulatory problem. 

 

I know I have symptoms that suggest I'm not getting enough blood / oxygen to my brain. That's probably why Ginkgold helps me. I mean, I have tried taking B-complex supplements, I have tried Spatone iron liquid, I have tried drinking lots more water and I have tried D3. My skin just always looks pale and I look anemic just not sure why I'm having so much issues with my blood curculation.

 

I notice that if I kneel down as well, my face goes bright red and hot. Normally, the dizziness when I stand up gets worse if I have been kneeling down for longer. I will try your suggestion with the c60 olive oil. I have been taking "Natural Health Practice Omega 3 Support", fish oil. Isn't the olive oil the same thing? I will still try it anyway, as I'm open to all suggestions, just wanted to know what's different between a standard fish oil supplement and c60 olive oil? Thanks.

 

I'm not sure how this bpm will prove anything though, if it doesn't record anything. I mean, it isn't like I'll be wearing it all the time so don't know how I'm supposed to tell how much my bp changes from when I'm say, kneeling to going to standing up. 

 

- I just brought some of this:

 

http://shop.owndoc.c...lls-in-oil.html

 

I hope it's the stuff you're talking about. I hope it helps. Not sure how much to take though, from the dropper. I'm guessing it's a whole dropper? :-)

Edited by KieranA001, 06 February 2015 - 07:16 PM.

[niner]

I know I have symptoms that suggest I'm not getting enough blood / oxygen to my brain. That's probably why Ginkgold helps me. I mean, I have tried taking B-complex supplements, I have tried Spatone iron liquid, I have tried drinking lots more water and I have tried D3. My skin just always looks pale and I look anemic just not sure why I'm having so much issues with my blood curculation.

 

I notice that if I kneel down as well, my face goes bright red and hot. Normally, the dizziness when I stand up gets worse if I have been kneeling down for longer. I will try your suggestion with the c60 olive oil. I have been taking "Natural Health Practice Omega 3 Support", fish oil. Isn't the olive oil the same thing? I will still try it anyway, as I'm open to all suggestions, just wanted to know what's different between a standard fish oil supplement and c60 olive oil? Thanks.

 

I'm not sure how this bpm will prove anything though, if it doesn't record anything. I mean, it isn't like I'll be wearing it all the time so don't know how I'm supposed to tell how much my bp changes from when I'm say, kneeling to going to standing up. 

 

- I just brought some of this:

 

http://shop.owndoc.c...lls-in-oil.html

 

I hope it's the stuff you're talking about. I hope it helps. Not sure how much to take though, from the dropper. I'm guessing it's a whole dropper? :-)

 

A facial flush upon kneeling is a very interesting symptom.  You should mention it to the neurologist (or other doctors) along with your other symptoms.   The bp meter might not be that helpful.  Supposedly, if your pressure remains low for a couple minutes after you stand up, then you have orthostatic hypotension.  In my experience the bp change is very transitory and conventional bp devices aren't very useful. 

 

C60 olive oil is different from all other oils because it contains C60, a spherical allotrope of carbon also known as a fullerene.  It appears to improve the efficiency of mitochondria, allowing them to make energy despite inadequate oxygen.   You got the right stuff.   It has excellent bioavailability and a very long half life.  I'd try starting with about a teaspoonful (5 ml).  You can use it just like regular olive oil.  My favorite way to consume it is to pour it on a plate, sprinkle with coarse-grind salt, and dip bread in it.  I also use it over salads and vegetables.  You can just swallow it plain if you want.  It really doesn't matter.  If you get a helpful effect from it, it will probably last a long time.  My orthostatic hypotension was really getting to be a problem, and it has never returned.  I use c60oo every 2-5 weeks.  We have an entire forum devoted to c60oo.

[KieranA001]

 

I know I have symptoms that suggest I'm not getting enough blood / oxygen to my brain. That's probably why Ginkgold helps me. I mean, I have tried taking B-complex supplements, I have tried Spatone iron liquid, I have tried drinking lots more water and I have tried D3. My skin just always looks pale and I look anemic just not sure why I'm having so much issues with my blood curculation.

 

I notice that if I kneel down as well, my face goes bright red and hot. Normally, the dizziness when I stand up gets worse if I have been kneeling down for longer. I will try your suggestion with the c60 olive oil. I have been taking "Natural Health Practice Omega 3 Support", fish oil. Isn't the olive oil the same thing? I will still try it anyway, as I'm open to all suggestions, just wanted to know what's different between a standard fish oil supplement and c60 olive oil? Thanks.

 

I'm not sure how this bpm will prove anything though, if it doesn't record anything. I mean, it isn't like I'll be wearing it all the time so don't know how I'm supposed to tell how much my bp changes from when I'm say, kneeling to going to standing up. 

 

- I just brought some of this:

 

http://shop.owndoc.c...lls-in-oil.html

 

I hope it's the stuff you're talking about. I hope it helps. Not sure how much to take though, from the dropper. I'm guessing it's a whole dropper? :-)

 

A facial flush upon kneeling is a very interesting symptom.  You should mention it to the neurologist (or other doctors) along with your other symptoms.   The bp meter might not be that helpful.  Supposedly, if your pressure remains low for a couple minutes after you stand up, then you have orthostatic hypotension.  In my experience the bp change is very transitory and conventional bp devices aren't very useful. 

 

C60 olive oil is different from all other oils because it contains C60, a spherical allotrope of carbon also known as a fullerene.  It appears to improve the efficiency of mitochondria, allowing them to make energy despite inadequate oxygen.   You got the right stuff.   It has excellent bioavailability and a very long half life.  I'd try starting with about a teaspoonful (5 ml).  You can use it just like regular olive oil.  My favorite way to consume it is to pour it on a plate, sprinkle with coarse-grind salt, and dip bread in it.  I also use it over salads and vegetables.  You can just swallow it plain if you want.  It really doesn't matter.  If you get a helpful effect from it, it will probably last a long time.  My orthostatic hypotension was really getting to be a problem, and it has never returned.  I use c60oo every 2-5 weeks.  We have an entire forum devoted to c60oo.

 

 

May I ask why you think it's interesting when I get a facial flush upon kneeling? What does it specify exactly. Thanks for the insight on the C60. I though it was just an oil until I found out about the C60. I have heard of it before but didn't know much about it and forgot about it. What's the half life exactly then when you say it will last a long time? :-)

 

Cannot wait to try it now, although not overly sure on what to expect when I take it. I will browse that forum to see if I can find out more on it. I know that it acts as a antioxident inside the mitochondria so far.. Just not sure on how long the C60 is active in your body for. Thanks again. :-)

 

[ceridwen]

Sounds like the 1st thing you have to do is decrease iron which is a neurotoxin and increase Vitamin D. Also make sure that there is no elelctro smog around you. Excercise sounds as if it really benefits you. Maybe you should increase it. Get a Des advice if you are not sure

[niner]

May I ask why you think it's interesting when I get a facial flush upon kneeling? What does it specify exactly. Thanks for the insight on the C60. I though it was just an oil until I found out about the C60. I have heard of it before but didn't know much about it and forgot about it. What's the half life exactly then when you say it will last a long time? :-)

 

Cannot wait to try it now, although not overly sure on what to expect when I take it. I will browse that forum to see if I can find out more on it. I know that it acts as a antioxident inside the mitochondria so far.. Just not sure on how long the C60 is active in your body for. Thanks again. :-)

 

The facial flush sounds like the inverse of the orthostatic hypotension problem- too much blood to the head instead of too little.  All these responses that come from the body being in different positions, like kneeling, or certain arm movements,  getting hugged, standing up-- all this points to a vasovagal sort of syndrome.  At least that's what it sounds like.   I've never heard of the facial flush symptom before, but I'm not a clinician.  I'd like to know what the neurologist thought of it.

 

The half life of c60oo is quite long.  We think that it gets incorporated into membranes where it's active at extremely low concentrations, and is only slowly exchanged out.  That's why people are able to dose as infrequently as once a month or longer.  As far as what to expect from it, the initial response is likely to be nothing, but some people experience a variety of transient, harmless but weird autonomic sensations.  Examples would be arms or legs feeling funny, sweating, or feeling very sleepy.  These effects are related to the antioxidant nature and have been seen with other potent antioxidants like NAC.  They only seem to happen the first time or two that you use it, then never again.  The effects that you are hoping to see should be evident within a day; that's long enough for the oil to be digested and the active compound to be distributed.   Some other effects you might notice are improved endurance in certain types of exercise, and you might be able to do more reps than normal when lifting weights.  If you seem to blow through your old limit like you are superman, resist the urge to do a lot of reps.  Many of us have been injured this way.  Just because your muscles don't want to stop doesn't mean your tendons can take it.  If you drink alcohol, you will probably notice that the high feels different.   If you have allergies or asthma, that may improve.  Eczema may improve.  Hair regrowth has been seen, and people report grey hair darkening.   It has been reported to increase the lifespan of Wistar Rats by 90%, and other fullerene analogs have increased lifespan in different species by a lesser amount.  I've not heard of any adverse events of significance, and I've been following the compound since the rat result came out.  There are two major commercial producers, a number of minor producers, and a lot of people make it themselves, which is easy.  There is also a low concentration water dispersion of c60 that is an approved OTC pharmaceutical in Ukraine.  There are at least two companies trying to develop fullerene-based pharmaceuticals to be approved in major world markets.

[KieranA001]

 

May I ask why you think it's interesting when I get a facial flush upon kneeling? What does it specify exactly. Thanks for the insight on the C60. I though it was just an oil until I found out about the C60. I have heard of it before but didn't know much about it and forgot about it. What's the half life exactly then when you say it will last a long time? :-)

 

Cannot wait to try it now, although not overly sure on what to expect when I take it. I will browse that forum to see if I can find out more on it. I know that it acts as a antioxident inside the mitochondria so far.. Just not sure on how long the C60 is active in your body for. Thanks again. :-)

 

The facial flush sounds like the inverse of the orthostatic hypotension problem- too much blood to the head instead of too little.  All these responses that come from the body being in different positions, like kneeling, or certain arm movements,  getting hugged, standing up-- all this points to a vasovagal sort of syndrome.  At least that's what it sounds like.   I've never heard of the facial flush symptom before, but I'm not a clinician.  I'd like to know what the neurologist thought of it.

 

The half life of c60oo is quite long.  We think that it gets incorporated into membranes where it's active at extremely low concentrations, and is only slowly exchanged out.  That's why people are able to dose as infrequently as once a month or longer.  As far as what to expect from it, the initial response is likely to be nothing, but some people experience a variety of transient, harmless but weird autonomic sensations.  Examples would be arms or legs feeling funny, sweating, or feeling very sleepy.  These effects are related to the antioxidant nature and have been seen with other potent antioxidants like NAC.  They only seem to happen the first time or two that you use it, then never again.  The effects that you are hoping to see should be evident within a day; that's long enough for the oil to be digested and the active compound to be distributed.   Some other effects you might notice are improved endurance in certain types of exercise, and you might be able to do more reps than normal when lifting weights.  If you seem to blow through your old limit like you are superman, resist the urge to do a lot of reps.  Many of us have been injured this way.  Just because your muscles don't want to stop doesn't mean your tendons can take it.  If you drink alcohol, you will probably notice that the high feels different.   If you have allergies or asthma, that may improve.  Eczema may improve.  Hair regrowth has been seen, and people report grey hair darkening.   It has been reported to increase the lifespan of Wistar Rats by 90%, and other fullerene analogs have increased lifespan in different species by a lesser amount.  I've not heard of any adverse events of significance, and I've been following the compound since the rat result came out.  There are two major commercial producers, a number of minor producers, and a lot of people make it themselves, which is easy.  There is also a low concentration water dispersion of c60 that is an approved OTC pharmaceutical in Ukraine.  There are at least two companies trying to develop fullerene-based pharmaceuticals to be approved in major world markets.

 

 

Oh that makes sense. Maybe when I kneel my body is trying to compensate for the lack of blood volume of something. I'm not sure, but I really think that this C60 stuff will help me. I have been skimming over it in the meantime while I'm still waiting for it to arrive. It was dispatched yesterday via airmail so hopefully it will come some time next week then I can report back on how I feel when I take it. Hopefully brain fog will be gone!  

 

Well, at the time I forgot to mention it to the neurologist where I was trying to tell her about the other symptoms. So many, I got confused as to what I told her and what I didn't. She wrote them all down for some reason, and then she told me that I should be getting some letters and I think she said I got to get blood tests back from GP. 

 

Is it worth dosing say, once every week? Can you OD on the stuff? I don't mind symptoms as longs as they don't lost a long time!! As for the excising, I will try to resist the urge to over do it! Thanks for the insight on C60. And all your help on this. :-)

[niner]

Is it worth dosing say, once every week? Can you OD on the stuff? I don't mind symptoms as longs as they don't lost a long time!! As for the excising, I will try to resist the urge to over do it! Thanks for the insight on C60. And all your help on this. :-)

 

People take it anywhere from once a day to about once a month.  The only thing that I find matters for me is the amount you use per unit of time.  Others find benefits from more frequent dosing.  I think 5 ml once a week is a reasonable starting point.  We have people who are taking multiple bottles per day, and they haven't dropped dead yet.  Animal results suggest that at extremely high doses, it could crystallize out inside of cells.  That was not seen at lower doses in animals.  The doses that appear safe over the long term in animals are still larger than most people are taking, so there seems to be a margin of safety.  (That may not be the case if you take multiple bottles per day).

[FunkOdyssey]

Mental/Visual "Fog" & Lethargy Cause?

 

 

Food sensitivities (try elimination diet / Autoimmune Paleo diet)

SIBO

Yeast Overgrowth

Autoimmune disease

Mold exposure in home/workplace

Various nutrient deficiencies (B12, D, thiamine, etc)

Hypothyroidism

Anemia

 

There are a few ideas for you to consider. It sounds like your diet is garbage, so I'd suggest you start there.  Read the Paleo Approach by Sarah Ballantyne to better understand the importance of cleaning up your diet and the detailed mechanisms by which it makes or breaks your health.

[KieranA001]

 

Is it worth dosing say, once every week? Can you OD on the stuff? I don't mind symptoms as longs as they don't lost a long time!! As for the excising, I will try to resist the urge to over do it! Thanks for the insight on C60. And all your help on this. :-)

 

People take it anywhere from once a day to about once a month.  The only thing that I find matters for me is the amount you use per unit of time.  Others find benefits from more frequent dosing.  I think 5 ml once a week is a reasonable starting point.  We have people who are taking multiple bottles per day, and they haven't dropped dead yet.  Animal results suggest that at extremely high doses, it could crystallize out inside of cells.  That was not seen at lower doses in animals.  The doses that appear safe over the long term in animals are still larger than most people are taking, so there seems to be a margin of safety.  (That may not be the case if you take multiple bottles per day).

 

 

Hi,

 

Okay the solution has just arrived. I took two droppers 3mg. and I feel different, and not sure if it's working or not, it might be placebo. Do effects increase overtime? I do feel slightly more aware, though. :-) 

[Blackkzeus]

Actually, are you depressed and have anxiety issues? Your issues seem like symptoms of depression. 

[KieranA001]

Actually, are you depressed and have anxiety issues? Your issues seem like symptoms of depression. 

 

I'm partly depressed. Mainly because I lead a boring lifestyle, but in general I do find most things non-interesting including social interaction, working or doing stuff. Unless, for example, I was having a social interaction with multiple people, it's okay because it takes the strain away from me of having to over-think on what to say. Mainly low self-confidence due to bullying issues at school which led to bad social skills and general hate towards society.

 

Anxiety is bad? Well I have to kinda keep to a daily schedule and notice that I don't adjust to change that well. I don't like to travel because I generally fear the worst is going to happen, in pretty much any given situation in which change is involved. However, I don't believe my anxiety and depression issues are causing the brain fog. I think something related to the brain fog is causing the depression and anxiety. If it were the depression, I don't think it would go away over night like what happened when my brain fog went away after the beach. 

 

I have noticed with the C60, I don't notice much now, but when I first took it well it helped me out a bit to bring back my visual clarity and mental awareness. It just feels like a lack of "being in the moment" and my mind often wonders onto a different topic every second and find in general I'm quite impatient towards general life events and take things slightly too seriously. I kinda feel like I'm going to be in the same mental state my whole life, and that nothing in my life is going to progress... I still look really pale and have purple fingernails though, although it isn't anemia nor anything B-vitamin related.

 

I will try a new diet next month and see how that goes. I'm not sure on what stuff to eat yet (I will go Paleo as suggested) I think things like Chicken, salad, rice, fish, veg and fruit will be my main diet foods. In general I find it hard to think, and to generally have and listen to standard conversations (which is probably why my social skills lack). I have taken stuff before though, such as Phenibut and it seems to bring my social skills and interest back up to standard-ish. Not sure where most of the stuff that comes from my mouth when on Phenibut comes from! Although not really a long-term fix.

[niner]

Kieran, see how you feel tomorrow, particularly with respect to dizziness upon standing.

[KieranA001]

Okay, I have just woken up and have to say I was pretty scared. When I  pulled myself up and rested my back against the bed board, I got these weird blue metallic looking flashes / dots in my vision. They came from the side again, but all in all my vision does seem slightly better. It seems more focused on my environment and less "foggy" as such. Not sure what the blue dots mean though. :/ 

 

My mental state still feels slightly confused and unclear though, not as aware of everything as I should be but I think I will continue taking the C60 because it does help. :-) 

 

Thanks. 

[niner]

Okay, I have just woken up and have to say I was pretty scared. When I  pulled myself up and rested my back against the bed board, I got these weird blue metallic looking flashes / dots in my vision. They came from the side again, but all in all my vision does seem slightly better. It seems more focused on my environment and less "foggy" as such. Not sure what the blue dots mean though. :/

 

That sounds like phosphenes.  They're benign and happen to many people on occasion.  More importantly, how do you now feel when you stand up from a crouch?  Do you still feel dizzy or like you're going to pass out?

[KieranA001]

 

Okay, I have just woken up and have to say I was pretty scared. When I  pulled myself up and rested my back against the bed board, I got these weird blue metallic looking flashes / dots in my vision. They came from the side again, but all in all my vision does seem slightly better. It seems more focused on my environment and less "foggy" as such. Not sure what the blue dots mean though. :/

 

That sounds like phosphenes.  They're benign and happen to many people on occasion.  More importantly, how do you now feel when you stand up from a crouch?  Do you still feel dizzy or like you're going to pass out?

 

 

Okay so I'm guessing they're nothing to worry about that's good. I have noticed that my depression has improved, I don't know if this is to due with the C60 or not. 

 

Do you think the benefits get better if I continue dosing? Or will it just stay like this all the time? I did notice yesterday after I took it, a few hours after I felt like the postrol hypotention got worse. I'm going to try kneeling now and standing up. 

 

Okay, so just tried kneeling down and standing up. I knelled down for 10 seconds and then got up, about five seconds after getting up, I felt a "rushing" and "tingly" sensation throughout my body and my vision nearly blacked out again. Well, it's like my static vision gets even worse than it already is.

 

I have noticed I've got a mild headache today as well, don't know if that's C60 related, though.  

Edited by KieranA001, 15 February 2015 - 06:55 PM.

[niner]

Okay, so just tried kneeling down and standing up. I knelled down for 10 seconds and then got up, about five seconds after getting up, I felt a "rushing" and "tingly" sensation throughout my body and my vision nearly blacked out again. Well, it's like my static vision gets even worse than it already is.

 

I have noticed I've got a mild headache today as well, don't know if that's C60 related, though.  

 

That's not the outcome I was hoping for, but maybe it will take longer to kick in than I expected.  Alternatively, maybe it's something other than hypotension, although I'm not sure what that would be.  I don't remember how long it took for me-- All I know is that at some point I noticed that it wasn't happening any more, and was like "wow, I'm not feeling dizzy anymore!".  So keep taking it for a while.  The thing to look at is how your body reacts to standing up compared to how it reacted before you started c60. 

[KieranA001]

 

Okay, so just tried kneeling down and standing up. I knelled down for 10 seconds and then got up, about five seconds after getting up, I felt a "rushing" and "tingly" sensation throughout my body and my vision nearly blacked out again. Well, it's like my static vision gets even worse than it already is.

 

I have noticed I've got a mild headache today as well, don't know if that's C60 related, though.  

 

That's not the outcome I was hoping for, but maybe it will take longer to kick in than I expected.  Alternatively, maybe it's something other than hypotension, although I'm not sure what that would be.  I don't remember how long it took for me-- All I know is that at some point I noticed that it wasn't happening any more, and was like "wow, I'm not feeling dizzy anymore!".  So keep taking it for a while.  The thing to look at is how your body reacts to standing up compared to how it reacted before you started c60. 

 

Okay I will give it some time, say a week, to see how I feel after that. I do notice now that I get a cold tingling sensation in my body sometimes as well. It's definitely effecting it though. Do you know of any other causes of what it could be if not hypotention? 

 

It's just, I get a weird out of breath sensation with a racing heartbeat when I get up, along with the weird visual disturbances. I mean I have the weird visual disturbances all the time just not as bad and it goes to the point where my vision goes completely when I go to stand up. Could it be dehydration?

[niner]

Okay I will give it some time, say a week, to see how I feel after that. I do notice now that I get a cold tingling sensation in my body sometimes as well. It's definitely effecting it though. Do you know of any other causes of what it could be if not hypotention? 

 

It's just, I get a weird out of breath sensation with a racing heartbeat when I get up, along with the weird visual disturbances. I mean I have the weird visual disturbances all the time just not as bad and it goes to the point where my vision goes completely when I go to stand up. Could it be dehydration?

 

It certainly sounds like hypotension, but there are other things as well, like the racing heartbeat and facial flush, and as a whole these point in the direction of a vasovagal dysfunction.   Dehydration could be a factor, as could low blood sugar, as you are most likely having transient episodes of low blood pressure.   Take a look at the vasovagal link, particularly the sections on signs and symptoms and causes.  See how much of that makes sense with respect to your experiences.  It's good that you're seeing a neurologist, because they would have the appropriate skill set to deal with this.  If in fact you are having vasovagal episodes, the good news is that it isn't going to kill you.  There are some pharmacologic approaches to manage symptoms, as well as lifestyle and behavioral things to try.   When do you next see the neurologist?