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[playground]

this just in; http://www.medicalne...ases/310991.php

 

 It's just bullshit...

 It's just agricultural marketing propaganda.. it's there to prop-up

 the demand for wheat and wheat products.  It's just lies.

 

 We already know from numerous studies and meta-analyses

 that low carb diets reduce the risk of everything from diabetes,

 cardiac arrest, stroke, various dementias, obesity, arthritis,

 chronic fatigue, .. and most chronic diseases generally.

 

 And we already know that the gluten in these "healthy whole grains"

 is toxic to the lining of the stomach and this toxicity exists whether

 or not a person considers him/herself sensitive or allergic to

 gluten.  Gluten is a key contributory factor in IBS, constipation,

 leaky gut syndrome, food allergies and even haemorrhoids. 

 And on top of that, they now poison bread by adding bromine.

 (You couldn't make this shit up).

 

Edited by playground, 17 June 2016 - 03:52 AM.

[Timothy]

i thought nuts were allowed in ketogenic diet as they are full of fat and relatively no carbs, how the hell can you go to 30 grams of carbs? well i guess that means nuts are out

 

timothy, do you have problems with constipation? i heard thats a major problem for ketogenic diet constipation.

 

and i guess nobody could answer me this but i figured out anyway, i guess you will kill off beneficial bacteria too they would require prebiotics to thrive but prebiotics come high carb material, so i guess thats out as well :s

 

Hi,

 

In general I stay away from nuts due to a sensitivity, but I am fine with Macadamias which have the highest fat content. Always read the label to understand which is the best, and then only stock your cupboards with what is acceptable so that you do not have to become obsessive-compulsive about reading the label and calculating your carb intake.

 

Since you are eating far less food than usual, there is also less you need to pass through.  Anything relatively solid, like nuts, can result in constipation.  It can be pretty bad.  I only add macadamias to a meal.  Hence my point around VRP 365 and psyllium husk.  Taking low dosages whenever reasonable to get enough fibre.  I add a half teaspoon to full cream yoghurt, etc, mixed with berries, etc, for breakfast.  Cant emphasise that enough - low dosages.

 

If you are eating full fat meals, your body becomes quite efficient at utilizing all of that and there becomes very little digestive waste.  You need to add large quantities of broccoli and avo to ensure your gut is functioning correctly with the right amount of fibre.

 

I originally tended to over compensate meals by adding more meat.  Ketosis is Low Carb, Low Protien, High Fat.  The trick is to shift it so that there is a smaller quantity of meat, minimal carbs, higher quantity of fats.  If you dont like too much meat then this diet is perfect.

 

I would also emphasise not to place too much emphasis on fats from dairy.  Get yoghurt and cheese, but also get lamb, oxtail, pork, etc.  Lots of fatty fish, etc.  No more than 150g protien per day. 100g salmon = 20g protein 13g fat.100g rump steak = 30g protein 5g fat.  100g chicken = 27g protein 15g fat, 100g pork loin = 27g protein and 14g fat.

 

So a 200g steak for dinner does not put you over your protein limit but chicken/fish/lamb is a better source.  You need to get alot more fat from your meals.  Chicken/Fish stir fry with broccoli cabbage, etc, and coconut oil is great as you can add your necessary sauce to get the flavour necessary to consume it and not get constipated.  There is only so much coffee you can have and while it is easy to eat a block of cheese, or a full fat desert of cream and berries, you will get more flavour out of a stir fry or roasted vegetables.

 

(I love food so my weight issue was really too much exercise due to boxing and lots of home cooking)

 

Hope this helps.

-Tim

[Timothy]

My key point about my previous comment is that you should not see this as a diet but rather a change in lifestyle.  There is no need to starve your gut and you should not have to live deprived and "out of balance".  Ketosis should be a balanced lifestyle without carbs.  I would argue that it is arguably not healthy to live in an extreme and my view is that if you have a life after ketosis, and add whole grains, then add bulgar wheat which is the highest fibre lowest GI wheat.  100g bulgar wheat = 58g net-carbs, 18g fibre,

 

You can boil 34g of bulgar wheat, which will expand quite significanlty, and get your 20g c arbs from there.  Serve that with fried salmon or stirfry and still be good.  That research link could have some merit to it but it referred to whole grains only, and not refined wheat. My view is to get use bulgar wheat and I replace "rice" in meals with bulgar wheat.

 

The science behing the whole grain research may have merrit however it is likely just the fibre intake that results in the benefit.  Which ever way the science goes, bulgar wheat is most aligned to ketosis from my view so I use bulgar when needed.

 

-Tim

[gamesguru]

maybe compared to refined grains or 2 servings of whole grain, 5 of whole extends life... but compared to a ketogenic diet, which also extends life, I think keto may be winning

its a whole different regime. it's not like 0 carbs is bad, the body can handle both situations

Edited by gamesguru, 17 June 2016 - 12:28 PM.

[sthira]

Nuts and seeds are very low carb and don't send me out of ketosis. Hazelnuts, walnuts, almonds, pecans, pumpkin seeds, cashews, sunflower seeds, macadamia nuts... I tend to eat 10-15g per day of each. Download cronometer, it's helpful. Curiously, beans don't send me far out of ketosis, either, maybe it's the fiber, or the addition of a few tablespoons of olive oil and spices? I eat lots of steamed greens -- kale, spinach, beet greens, mustard greens, collards. Olives and olive oil are obviously ketogenic. I can tell when I'm in different levels by that rotting-fruit taste in my mouth. Almost an alcohol taste. And fasting for a few days intensifies ketosis, and gets me far deeper than any ketogenic diet.

[normalizing]

^ yeh fasting, why not do that instead of stuffing yourself with either carbs or just fat? fasting does everything ketogenic diet does minus wasting money on food and stuffing yourself with fat.

 

and playground, grains are good for you when you have the efficient microbiome to deal with it, essentially you are feeding them and they feed you back its mutual relationship. i cant stress high enough how vital your microbiome is and how ketogenic diet is detrimental for it. all the negatives of carbs and such is likely misdirection at which type of carbs and what microbiome you have to utilize energy most efficiently

Edited by normalizing, 17 June 2016 - 05:10 PM.

[gamesguru]

i have a feeling once youre LC/keto, fasting is the last thing you want to do, and gorging out on that pasta salad your girl just made is the first. its really intense, takes a lot of discipline to maintain keto. thats one reason why its unpopular in america

[normalizing]

actually eating anything is not discipline, not eating anything is true challenge. fasting is also not popular in america, but i think americans would enjoy keto once they were told not to eat fat now that keto shows benefits they would love to eat only fat im sure

[psychejunkie]

^ yeh fasting, why not do that instead of stuffing yourself with either carbs or just fat? fasting does everything ketogenic diet does minus wasting money on food and stuffing yourself with fat.

 

and playground, grains are good for you when you have the efficient microbiome to deal with it, essentially you are feeding them and they feed you back its mutual relationship. i cant stress high enough how vital your microbiome is and how ketogenic diet is detrimental for it. all the negatives of carbs and such is likely misdirection at which type of carbs and what microbiome you have to utilize energy most efficiently

 

You can try Steak and Eggs as a Ketogenic diet; But a pricey one, at least for me..!

 

I also prefer fasting. As someone who have experience in fasting for some two years, I recommend Day-Time Fasting, which is as effective as Full-Time Ketogenic Diet!

 

Its like Ramadan Fasting, abstinence from Food and Drinks from dawn to dusk. even water. and dont worry your liver and kidneys would be fine!

BUT DO NOT try this if you have any problem or disease!

[playground]

Perhaps the very newest book on keto is this one...  with the most promising

title i've ever seen... from any book.

 

     Re-Generation-X :  The Science of Aging Backwards.

 

A'men to that.

 

I am currently searching for a torrent for it.

 

If anyone can help..   I would be very grateful.

Edited by playground, 18 June 2016 - 07:10 AM.

[playground]

I have question.

 

First, a little preamble.

We know that being keto adapted means that your body will jealously guard it's current

levels of vitamins.   So, for example, the Inuit can spend 9 months of the year eating only

fat and meat (but no veggies... so no vitamin C)... and remain perfectly healthy. 

This 9 months without veggies was  enough to make lots of sailors very ill during long

sea voyages... (ill with scurvy).

 

So we know human bodies process vitamins more efficiently when keto adapted.

 

Here's my question.

Vitamin A and Vitamin D can be toxic if taken to excess.

I'm currently taking 20,000 IUs per week of Vitamin D3. 

Will my keto adapted body be saving up all this D3 ?  

Might i end up with toxic levels ?

 

Does anyone have any perspectives or pearls of wisdom

that might shed light on this question ?