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[canz]

Is it necessary to take a choline supplement with piracetam if taking huperzine A? I am going to be starting a new stack soon, and read that the huperzine A keeps from acetylcholine from being depleted. I have some A-GPC. Here is what I planned:

Pir 2400mg (1600 in the morning, 800 in the afternoon)
Huperzine A 150mcg ( 100 in the morning, 50 in the afternoon)
Pyritinol 400mcg (200 in the morning, 200 in the afternoon)
*A-GPC 600mg (300 in the morning, 300 in the afternoon)

So is the a-gpc necessary? If so do I need to lower the dose? Any suggestions on the doses of the others? I've been taking 2400 piracetam and 4.5mg of Hydergine for the past month. I am cutting out the hydergine once its gone. I have to do alot of reading and I need to commit alot of it to memory with an understanding of it because I write documents about the readings. I also do alot of interviews which requires me to write what the person is saying while saying it. So I need alot of concentration, multi tasking, and ability to retain information. Thanks.

[mnosal]

Maybe try 300mg A-GPC for a few days, if you don't get any head aches or feel "out of sorts" stay with that dose.

You might try taking the choline with the second daily dose of Hup-A sonce there will be less acetylcholinesterase inhibition with the second dose(50mcg).

I take 3g of P'tam, 1g of A'tam with 150mcg Hup-A and need 600mg of A-GPC to keep my head clear. Your doses being lower, I would reduce the GPC til you find an ideal level, since it seems to be the most expensive part of the stack.

[canz]

Maybe try 300mg A-GPC for a few days, if you don't get any head aches or feel "out of sorts" stay with that dose.

You might try taking the choline with the second daily dose of Hup-A sonce there will be less acetylcholinesterase inhibition with the second dose(50mcg).

I take 3g of P'tam, 1g of A'tam with 150mcg Hup-A and need 600mg of A-GPC to keep my head clear.  Your doses being lower, I would reduce the GPC til you find an ideal level, since it seems to be the most expensive part of the stack.

Thanks, I'll do that.

[canz]

Would it matter if I take the pyritinol and huperzine in one dose or would it be better to split it like I originally planned?

[rfarris]

Would it matter if I take the pyritinol and huperzine in one dose or would it be better to split it like I originally planned?

I take my pyritonal with my water-soluable racetams on an empty stomach, but hold my huperzine until my meals. I used to take huperzine with my water-soluable group, but I read something that said I should take it with a meal. I can't remember where I saw it, but if it's important I'll go look for it.

-- Rick

[canz]

Would it matter if I take the pyritinol and huperzine in one dose or would it be better to split it like I originally planned?

I take my pyritonal with my water-soluable racetams on an empty stomach, but hold my huperzine until my meals. I used to take huperzine with my water-soluable group, but I read something that said I should take it with a meal. I can't remember where I saw it, but if it's important I'll go look for it.

-- Rick

Good to know, I can do that. What about splitting the doses, does it matter? For example, taking 2400mg Piracetam, 400mg Pyritinol, and 200mcg Huperzine first thing in the morning, or 1600 P, 200 Py, and 150 Hup in the morning then 800mg P, 200 Py, and 50 Hup in the early afternoon?

[mnosal]

I take everything in 3 split doses: 7am/ 3pm/ 11pm

I'll take 100mcg HupA @ 7am, 50mcg(with 300 A-GPC) @ 3pm and take 300mg more A-GPC @ 11pm w/out any Hup.

You will need to experiment a little with late night usage, some folks get stimulated by racetams. I take 1.2g Ptam @ 11pm with 500mg of L-tyrosine and still sleep like a baby.

[canz]

I take everything in 3 split doses: 7am/ 3pm/ 11pm

I'll take 100mcg HupA @ 7am, 50mcg(with 300 A-GPC) @ 3pm and take 300mg more A-GPC @ 11pm w/out any Hup.

You will need to experiment a little with late night usage, some folks get stimulated by racetams.  I take 1.2g Ptam @ 11pm with 500mg of L-tyrosine and still sleep like a baby.

Thanks. Yeah, I was getting insomnia, either from taking piracetam too late or from too high of a dose of piracetam coupled with hydergine. I'm not sure which. Right now I've eliminated hydergine from my stack, and started low on piracetam working my way up with the huperzine and the pyritinol. Right now I'm taking 800mg piracetam with 200mg pyritinol, and 100mcg Huperzine in the morning, and 800mg Piracetam with 200mg pytritinol, 50mcg huperzine and 300mg of A-gpc. I'm gonna work my way up with the piracetam probably if I don't experience insomnia with the current doses.

I am taking huperzine everyday regardless of the claims on this board that it causes a down regulation in brain function over time. I personally in my research on this sup have not found such information, until I do, I will continue to take it everyday.

[rfarris]

What about splitting the doses, does it matter? For example, taking 2400mg Piracetam, 400mg Pyritinol, and 200mcg Huperzine first thing in the morning, or 1600 P, 200 Py, and 150 Hup in the morning then 800mg P, 200 Py, and 50 Hup in the early afternoon?

I've read a lot of different opinions on that, but my take is that it depends on why you're taking the racetams. Piracetam is water soluble, and as I understand it, it only lasts a few hours. If you're taking it to help you think better at work, then your 66:33 split is probably the best.

If you're trying to get your brain working for some purpose that is going to happen in the next few hours, take a bunch of racetam right now. Pump it up!

On the other hand, if the reason you're taking racetams is for anti-aging, or perhaps to help heal injury from a stroke, or to avoid Alzheimers, then you're better off taking equal doses often through the day.

Any help here, folks? Have I got that right?

-- Rick

[canz]

What about splitting the doses, does it matter? For example, taking 2400mg Piracetam, 400mg Pyritinol, and 200mcg Huperzine first thing in the morning, or 1600 P, 200 Py, and 150 Hup in the morning then 800mg P, 200 Py, and 50 Hup in the early afternoon?

I've read a lot of different opinions on that, but my take is that it depends on why you're taking the racetams. Piracetam is water soluble, and as I understand it, it only lasts a few hours. If you're taking it to help you think better at work, then your 66:33 split is probably the best.

If you're trying to get your brain working for some purpose that is going to happen in the next few hours, take a bunch of racetam right now. Pump it up!

On the other hand, if the reason you're taking racetams is for anti-aging, or perhaps to help heal injury from a stroke, or to avoid Alzheimers, then you're better off taking equal doses often through the day.

Any help here, folks? Have I got that right?

-- Rick

I'm doing it to think better at work. You've mentioned the piracetam, what about the other two? Does it matter split or all together?

[rfarris]

I'm doing it to think better at work. You've mentioned the piracetam, what about the other two? Does it matter split or all together?

Shoot man, you're asking the wrong guy. I got here about a week before you did. Plus, I'm here because I had a hemorrhagic stroke, which means that my thinking is not all that great, anyway.

But here's what I do:

Morning, empty stomach:
piracetam - 800mg
oxiracetam - 800mg
pyritonal - 200mg
A-GPC - 300mg (if no eggs on the breakfast menu)

With breakfast:
aniracetam - 750mg
hup-a - 50mcg (Monday - Friday)
vinpocetine - 10mg
super-omega-3 - 1g

I don't eat lunch

2PM
piracetam - 800mg
pyritonal - 200mg
A-GPC - 300mg

3:30PM
aniracetam - 750mg
super-omega-3 - 1g

supper
hup-a 50mcg (Monday - Friday)
vinpocetine - 10 mg
super-omega-3 - 1g

9PM
super-omega-3 - 1g

That's it. Take it for what it's worth.

-- Rick

[canz]

I'm doing it to think better at work. You've mentioned the piracetam, what about the other two? Does it matter split or all together?

Shoot man, you're asking the wrong guy. I got here about a week before you did. Plus, I'm here because I had a hemorrhagic stroke, which means that my thinking is not all that great, anyway.

But here's what I do:

Morning, empty stomach:
piracetam - 800mg
oxiracetam - 800mg
pyritonal - 200mg
A-GPC - 300mg (if no eggs on the breakfast menu)

With breakfast:
aniracetam - 750mg
hup-a - 50mcg (Monday - Friday)
vinpocetine - 10mg
super-omega-3 - 1g

I don't eat lunch

Thanks.
2PM
piracetam - 800mg
pyritonal - 200mg
A-GPC - 300mg

3:30PM
aniracetam - 750mg
super-omega-3 - 1g

supper
hup-a 50mcg (Monday - Friday)
vinpocetine - 10 mg
super-omega-3 - 1g

9PM
super-omega-3 - 1g

That's it. Take it for what it's worth.

-- Rick

[rfarris]

Canz,

The problem is when trying to nest quotes. I half-way suspect that they are encouraging people to avoid continually copying the same text over and over in a thread. Honestly, I agree with them. Even if it's my pearls of wisdom that are being copied over and over.

Usually, a manual quote of the tiny little bit of context that you think is necessary to figure out what you're referring to is plenty. Do you know how to do that? I could show you... You can also do cool things like bold, color, and quite a few other things.

[canz]

Yeah, sorry, I didn't even think about it. All I wanted to say was thanks for the info! [thumb]

[canz]

Ok, I'm about 1 weeks into this stack and I am not really as focused as what I feel that I should be. I took a week off of everything last weekend and started back up on Tuesday of last week. Today I was trying to read something and could not focus at all. Do you think that because I took the 4 days off of the piracetam that I need to do an attack dose again? Should I up my doses of the pyritinol and huperzine or maybe just up the piracetam?

I'm taking 1600mg of Piracetam in the morning along with 200 of pyritinol and 150 huperzine

at lunch 800mg piracetam, 200mg pyritinol and 50mcg huperzine along with 300mg a-gpc.

Suggestions?