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#1 Duchykins

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 05:35 AM


I found this the other day, it's an article from a Christian site that is worried about the closet atheists attending church just because they keep up the cultural rituals or just don't want to stand out in their community.

 

http://www.christian...1yWFWAhkrT3c.99

 

 

Researchers: 'Ritual' Atheists and Agnostics Could Be Sitting Next to You in Church

 

In a new study of the various types of nonbelievers, researchers from The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga say "one of the most interesting and unexpected" types they examined is the "ritual" atheist or agnostic, who finds some value in religious teachings and practices.

 

Those who fall into this category, according to the researchers, are nonbelievers who may have a philosophical appreciation for certain religious teachings, who like being part of a community, who want to stay in touch with their ethnic identity or who simply find beauty in certain religious traditions, symbols or rituals.

 

"The implication of this particular typology is that you could be sitting next to somebody in church right now who may, in fact, not buy into the theology that the rest of the congregation buys into," said principal researcher Christopher F. Silver in an interview with The Christian Post.

 

Thomas J. Coleman III, who also worked on the research, said he interviewed one person in particular who participates in church services and sings in the church choir, but doesn't believe in God.

 

The goal of the research was to more closely examine nonbelievers, who are a diverse group of people that are often lumped together in other studies. The study identified six different kinds of nonbelievers, though Silver says even more types could appear as the number of nonbelievers in the U.S. climbs.

 
 

The study was conducted in two parts. First, researchers conducted personal interviews with 59 people who were given the opportunity to speak freely, with some guidance, about their life and non-belief. They then conducted a mass survey of nearly 1,500 nonbelievers nationwide (though the results posted online as of Thursday morning reflect only 1,153 surveys).

 

The results showed that the largest portion of unbelievers are Intellectual Atheists/Agnostics (38 percent), who actively seek out knowledge on non-belief and the search for truth, followed by Activists (23 percent), Anti-theists (15 percent), Ritual Atheists/Agnostics (13 percent) , Seeker-Agnostics (8 percent) and Non-Theists (4 percent).

 

Silver and Coleman say the terms they used to classify each group may not align with what some nonbelievers consider themselves to be, which is why it is important for them to refer to the study's definition of each term rather than to focus on the term itself.

 

Silver, who has played a key role in several Chattanooga area organizations for nonbelievers and has worked on a number of psychology of religion studies in the last 12 years, says the complexity of unbelievers as a group should be considered by churches and other organizations that are attempting to reach out to them.

 

"In some ways, I would almost encourage those that are at least trying to work with or connect with this community, in whatever way they are, that they need to take into account that a variety of different people that come from different backgrounds, and that really they need to be speaking to the person more than the identity," he said.

 

The researchers also found that only a small percentage of nonbelievers, the Anti-Theists, would be considered "angry, argumentative and dogmatic," while more than 85 percent of those sampled would be considered normal based on current societal norms. Anti-Theists, they say, may be part of the reason why certain negative stereotypes continue to be associated with nonbelievers in general.

 

"They're the ones who get noticed," said Coleman. "When someone says, 'Oh man, atheists are angry.' Well, it's a zero-in, a focusing on, perhaps, some bad experiences with a very small percentage...of nonbelievers."

 

During the personal interview portion of their study, researchers also discovered that college was often a turning point in the lives of those who would become nonbelievers. They emphasized that college education in and of itself may not be the cause, however, as a number of other factors could play a part.

 

"It's not to say that college is a transformative process for everyone, but in our interviews we heard time and time again that, for many of the folks who identified themselves as nonbelievers, college seemed to be a milestone in their life's story. College seemed to be a transition point," said Silver.

 

Silver also said he was "surprised" to find that approximately half of nonbelievers are not publicly or socially engaged somehow in their non-belief.

 

 

 

 

More info about the types:  http://www.alternet....page=1#bookmark

 

 

The 6 Types of Atheists and Non-Believers in America

 

Researchers polled non-believers to find out who abandons religion and why. The answers tell us a lot about religion and non-belief in America.

 

With the rising number of people in America—now nearly one in five—who have no religious affiliation at all, more people are asking questions about who exactly these unbelievers are. Not all of them identify as atheist or agnostic or a non-believer, but plenty do, and while there are many people offering to defend this particular community, few are willing to speak for them.

 

After all, unlike religious believers, non-believers have no authorities, no hierarchies, no theology, nothing for us to look at to determine exactly who these people are. In addition, the public image of atheists, who are a diverse group in reality, is being shaped by a handful of vocal white men—Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens being the most famous—who, while well-respected in the atheist community, are not really representative.

 

Because of this, researchers at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga decided to poll and interview non-believers to find out what kind of people abandon religious faith and why. Based on this research, the project authors were able to divide non-believers into six basic categories, some of which may surprise you.

 

First things first: While atheists have a public image of being dogmatic and belligerent—an image that famous atheists like Bill Maher only end up reinforcing—researchers found that to absolutely not be true. Only 15 percent of non-believers even fit in the category of those who actively seek out religious people to argue with, and the subset that are dogmatic about it are probably even smaller than that. But that doesn’t mean that the majority of non-believers are just sitting around, twiddling their thumbs and not letting atheism affect their worldview. On the contrary, researchers found that the majority of non-believers take some kind of action in the world to promote humanism, atheism or secularism. Here is a breakdown of the types.

 

1. Intellectual Atheist/Agnostic.   By far, the most common kind of non-believer, at nearly 38 percent. This group enjoys intellectual discourse, and while they’re often very certain about their beliefs, they’re not belligerent about it. These types often get mistaken for dogmatic atheists, however, because they have a tendency to join skeptic’s groups or otherwise find avenues to discuss non-belief with others. However, as researchers note, these non-believers “associate with fellow intellectuals regardless of the other’s ontological position,” so long as their friends “versed and educated on various issues of science, philosophy, ‘rational’ theology, and common socio-political religious dialog.” They like debating religion, but aren’t particularly interested in chasing down believers to give them a hard time.

 

2. Activist.   This group also gets commonly accused of being dogmatic, but like the intellectual atheist, while they’re firm in their beliefs, they’re intellectually flexible and don’t prioritize attacking believers. Instead, they are motivated by a strong sense of humanist values to make change in the world, often making related issues—such as feminism, gay rights, or the environment—a priority over simply advocating atheism. This group also advocates for a better, more egalitarian atheist community, according to researchers: “They seek to be both vocal and proactive regarding current issues in the atheist and/or agnostic socio-political sphere." Because of this, they unfortunately attract a lot of abuse from a small but vocal minority of atheists who disapprove of linking secularism with larger social justice issues, but they do have the numbers on their side. They are the second biggest sub-category of non-believers, making up 23 percent of non-believers.

 

3. Seeker-Agnostic.   This group, which makes up 7.6 percent of non-believers, are unlikely to be as critical of religion as most other groups. They prioritize not-knowingness. If you ever come across people saying, “I don’t know, but neither do you!” regarding religious belief, you’re dealing with a seeker-agnostic. They don’t really believe in anything, but they are uncomfortable committing to non-belief completely. They routinely get accused of intellectual cowardice by atheists, but researchers defend them, saying, “For the Seeker-Agnostic, uncertainty is embraced.”

 

4. Anti-Theist.   This group tends to get conflated with all atheists by believers, but they only constitute 15 percent of non-believers. Like the Intellectual Atheists, they like to argue about religion, but they are much more aggressive about it and actively seek out religious people in an effort to disabuse them of their beliefs. While most atheists limit themselves to supporting a more secular society, anti-theists tend to view ending religion as the real goal. While plenty are aggressively angry, researchers point out this isn’t necessarily a bad thing: “For example, many of the Antitheist typology had responded as recently deconverted from religious belief or socially displeased with the status quo, especially in high social tension-based geographies such as the Southeastern United States,” and being combative with believers might help them establish their own sense of self and right to non-belief. 

 

5. Non-Theist.   They don’t believe in any gods, but don’t think about those who do very often. In such a religious society, simply opting out of caring much about religion one way or another is nearly impossible, which is why this group is only 4.4 percent of non-believers. “A Non-Theist simply does not concern him or herself with religion,” researchers explain. In some skeptical/atheist circles, this group is disparagingly referred to as “shruggies," because they simply shrug when asked their opinion on religion. However, some quite likely are indifferent because they’re fortunate enough to live in a bubble where belief doesn’t matter one way or another.

 

6. Ritual Atheist/Agnostic.   While you might think the anti-theist is the non-believer type that scares Christians the most, it turns out that it may very well be the Ritual Atheist/Agnostic. This group, making up 12.5 percent of atheists, doesn’t really believe in the supernatural, but they do believe in the community aspects of their religious tradition enough to continue participating. We’re not just talking about atheists who happen to have a Christmas tree, but who tend to align themselves with a religious tradition even while professing no belief. “Such participation may be related to an ethnic identity (e.g. Jewish),” explain researchers, “or the perceived utility of such practices in making the individual a better person." The Christian Post clearly found this group most alarming, titling their coverage of this study “Researchers: 'Ritual' Atheists and Agnostics Could Be Sitting Next to You in Church,” and giving the first few paragraphs over to concern that people in your very own congregation may not actually believe in your god.

The atheism, it seems, might be coming from inside the house (of God).

 

While a lot of non-believers don’t really do much when it comes to acting on their non-belief, for those who are trying to create a more organized atheist community that takes up activism and offers community, there is plenty of reason to hope. The Intellectual, the Activist and the Anti-theist all, to one extent or another, discuss their non-belief with others or let their non-belief have significant impact on their activities. Taken together, they make up nearly three-quarters of non-believers. That’s a big group that has a lot in common, and perhaps that energy could be harnessed as a force of good.

 

 

 

Wow, almost as many church-going ritual atheists as there are antitheists.  Isn't that funny?

 

I'm somewhere between the intellectual and the activist, but more in the intellectual side, because the only thing I have in common with the activist description is my thick humanistic & humanitarian streak (but I oppose sticking atheism into all kinds of political matters because of how people react to just seeing the word "atheist," and because I oppose bringing religious positions into political issues).

 

Also glad that a survey confirmed our estimation of the relative rarity of the antitheist among atheists.

 

Who else was nailed by these categories?  Post and let us discuss.   :cool:


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#2 The Brain

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 06:12 AM

Too funny, they'll be hunting the atheists out soon and burning them lol
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#3 Duchykins

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 06:29 AM

Which category described you best?



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Posted 05 August 2015 - 08:15 AM

Most definitely 4
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Posted 23 December 2015 - 10:49 PM

It's a 1 for me. I take each individual as I meet them. Most people are sociable.

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Posted 24 December 2015 - 04:45 AM

Which category described you best?


Ha! Thanks, that was great, I definitely got nailed here as a 3: "I don't know, and neither do you..."

But I'm slowly advancing into the 5 arena of just not caring :-(

It's true about university shaping my god opinion. I blame it on the French Existentialists. When I delved into Sartre, Camus I was like --whoa, yes yes these guys are right on

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Posted 24 December 2015 - 09:11 AM

I am some mixture between 1 and 5



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Posted 12 January 2016 - 12:14 AM

Probably a combination of 1 and 4, roughy evenly split. Initially I was mostly 1, but over time, having gained more exposure to the pernicious effects of religion, I've definitely developed qualities typical of an "anti-theist." 


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Posted 27 May 2016 - 03:29 PM

I would like to see an atheist explain the Fibonacci sequence and golden mean being present in living and non living phenomenon, hundreds of places on our body! It's even in the DNA of every living thing in phi, phi squared and phi cubed. The perfect symmetry and geometry in life isn't necessary for survival so how could it be a result of natural selection?

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 11:05 AM

I can explain. The spiral curve is a representation of diverted torque at 90degrees. 90 degrees is the most efficient angle of force. If you want to move something efficiently(grow), as nature does, then resistance is reduced to a minimum, but still able to make progress. The numbers are a representation of this, and show linear construction, with regards to modular size.
The phi is a numeric circle, this is the product of torque. A moment of force exerted from a pivotal point. Nature seldom moves in a straight line, now you know one of the reasons why. It's all to do with the duality of the magnetic forces that apear when matter condenses. The push pull, the vibration, the field is a momentum provider. Nothings lost, only our belief and the influence of others can detract from our personal knowing. The fractal nature is reflected from all scales of size, bounderies and membranes are areas of frequency voids and do not necessarily represent an end.
I hope this helps. If anyone want me to explain from any other angle please let me know and I will reply at some time!
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Posted 29 June 2016 - 11:08 AM

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Posted 30 June 2016 - 04:48 AM

I can explain. The spiral curve is a representation of diverted torque at 90degrees. 90 degrees is the most efficient angle of force. If you want to move something efficiently(grow), as nature does, then resistance is reduced to a minimum, but still able to make progress. The numbers are a representation of this, and show linear construction, with regards to modular size.
The phi is a numeric circle, this is the product of torque. A moment of force exerted from a pivotal point. Nature seldom moves in a straight line, now you know one of the reasons why. It's all to do with the duality of the magnetic forces that apear when matter condenses. The push pull, the vibration, the field is a momentum provider. Nothings lost, only our belief and the influence of others can detract from our personal knowing. The fractal nature is reflected from all scales of size, bounderies and membranes are areas of frequency voids and do not necessarily represent an end.
I hope this helps. If anyone want me to explain from any other angle please let me know and I will reply at some time!

Hmm interesting, yeah makes sense! But to me that doesn't compleately dismiss how perfectly made we are, absolutely symmetrical and the same in most of life. Not everything requires structural stability like that yet still is symmetric and geometrical, like how our nipples are placed etc haha. With close research it's become apparent to me that everything is way to exact to of arisen out of random mutations, how can life, huge molecules of DNA and every enzyme needed to "translate" it and all the nutrients all come together at the same time. The odds are statistically impossible, 1/13 quadrillion, aka it just doesn't happen. To me it's just the tip of the iceberg, I've experienced first hand the power of Jesus Christ as supernatural healer many times, as life changer and awesome father who answers my prayers in countless ways. I have cast demons out with His name and seen dramatic effects, I have also had them cast out of me and could feel the difference, my thoughts and involuntary bodily reactions changed I have found so many people who have had spiritual encounters of His Glory, to me it's no longer a question, it's an endless answer. I have found so much of The Bble to be true, I could talk about it all for a long time! All I want to do in my life is share what I have found in my search and push people to take that leap of faith, to "ask and you shall receive, knock and the door shall be opened" If you are really interested in evidence, please check out my page Evidence for Jesus Christ. www.facebook.com/truthsofChrist

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Posted 01 July 2016 - 10:25 AM

Yes I totally agree with what you are experiencing. The fractal impression he left on our planet, when he came back from being dead(resurrected), was an example for us to learn, understand, and ultimatly believe(if we chose). It was in essence 'the hundred monkey experiments', morphic field, etc.
When many people learn systems of emotions that effect their environment, they like to attribute it to a religion, their religion. If you look back in the past for guidance, that's fine, but you have to look to the future on your own(and others) terms. It's called harmonising?
What most people fail to appreciate is food, their food, and how very important it is. Everything comes from the diet. Only when one has become physically whole and harmonised their diet with their biome, can they live off of their breath and love. Hence the religious word Holy, to be whole, complete. Many find this state of wholeness, but I believe the diet can force this state onto an individual as effective as a reflex reaction. I don't base my beliefs on skepticism, or here say, I base them on true sciences, life experiences and profound facts that I have become to understand. My understandings I feel are intertwined with one and other, and are at some level a dogma. They have been tested a few times now since my maturing, but they have to remain flexible. A major concern I have is the many words used to discribe similar things and the political correctness thats forced upon the ignorant masses. I prefer to harmonise with the one's I find myself around and not purify my persona for a religious persuit, but thats me. In the uk it's pretty much live and let live!

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Posted 01 July 2016 - 10:58 AM

Steve Richards is an extraordinary aboriginal spiritual healer, his work makes perfect sense along with his treatment efficiency and success. The man has an intresting history, and he don't mix words, which I find refreshing. The guy clarifies things you could say. I urge anyone to check him out, he's really fascinating.
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Posted 01 July 2016 - 11:21 PM

Yeah I used to be into all that stuff your talking about. I studied and practiced ayahuasca/plant shamanism and almost all the other interesting belief systems out their. Eventually you will have an experience/s that will change your life. Jesus loves you and wants you to have eternal life, but each person has a predestined time. He will keep knocking at your door until you answer. Then get ready for an amazing life change! It's sad to hear that your into all that stuff, you so much remind me of myself a few years ago. I don't blame you, it seems so true and unique. Just don't stop searching for the truth that's all I can tell you. Blessings brother!
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Posted 02 July 2016 - 03:29 AM

The drugs and plant stimulants only release what we have inside us already. Having the confidence to believe in the good of one's environment is key to living a magical life. I believe I have gone beyond a religious deity, not because I'm lost(far from it), but because of the utmost importance of the correctly applied notion of freedom. The core of Jesus's teachings respected this notion of freedom, as I came to appreciate this logic to.
I understand religion is the sum total of one's mind and how it responds to the environment at any given time, if you want to improve your mind you get advice from your fellow man, or read a book that refects men of good example. Or have the faith in hope that your environment(God) will show signs that you will find helpful. I get this and practice this, but I'm also familiar with the concept of blind faith and the magical experiences that can be observed in one's environment (God).
Most modern religions are based on an older one. This original religion was aware of the mistakes a fanatical follower can have and so stated that the practioners had the freedom to choose whether they should worship something or not. They were encouraged to see if they could find a God, a deity, an interactive personality. A group of people praying in one direction towards a common theme is more powerful than one person alone, one would think? But the whole group can be disenfranchised from the prayer if their beliefs are seen unrighteously by a more righteous view(especially if the individual has greater belief throughout their constitution).
All this rightousness belief is baised on logic, all faith is based on whats logically right (correct as you have been proven by your environment to understand it), fair enough? My logic is free to the bounderies of natural laws, God(the whole universe i.e my environment) has the freedom to strike me down as it sees fit. Some call it Karma. Jainism is the basis of all modern religions. I see subtle phycopathic twists in most modern religions, they are a layer of control for the masses. A bit like 'the Oracle' program in the Matrix film series.
If you look at history you can see the Sun sends out for people, some get written about, some just get on with it on their own, or in groups. Some are aware of the Acacia files, some think it's divine knowledge, modern life has got away from truth, I think people can handle it.

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Posted 02 July 2016 - 04:06 AM

For the record I have been to the other realms without using drugs, Ayahuasca or DMT! Because of my natural approach I have gone through a path of rights few get privy. This led me on a path of study and discovery. I believe in most things through my ability to place things in correct context with regard to other beliefs. Having the internet is enlightening, but everything is already within us, if only we(as a community) were healthy enough.(I am familiar with the ancient parameters of health, my standards are true, but seem too high for some to understand). Thanks for being here.
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Posted 02 July 2016 - 04:17 AM

Wow you've been reading some crazy books! It's called the akashic record haha, acacia is a tree, the type of wood the ark of the covenant was made of BTW. God isn't everything, He is a person. He created us to have a relationship with Him, but we can only connect with Him through purity. We are all in a fallen state and there two paths you can choose from here. To continue to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, to attemp at becoming your own god. Or you can come and be purified from what we have done, eat from the tree of life and life forever. Unite with the Creator by having Him live inside you. There are many teachings that will try to lead you astray for this, there's nothing new under the sun. Just as in the old days, these teaching from the Fallen Angels are deceiving the masses, leading so many astray because of their hatred for the children of God. Us beings created lesser than them, inheriting what they so greatly desired. There is only one way to unite with our created and it's by being purified by His blood. Although there are many things that will make you feel like your on that path, because of our fallen state and asleep spirit.
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Posted 02 July 2016 - 04:29 AM

The Akashic records is information stored in the second heaven. The realm of demons and principalities of darkness. When people who are away from God start to activate their prophetic capacities they will encounter this realm. It is incredibly deceptive, these entities can put whatever they want in these minds, blown wide open by drugs, meditation etc. Accepting any information that comes to them, una chores by the rock of Christ. This is how you can receive the mark of the beast, having a pineal gland forever corrupted from receiving The Truth because of too much contamination from the demonic realms (the way/lo-lines talked about are part of this) used by anceint societies to call up powers from hell and down from the second heaven at certain points on earth, to aid in the spells and sorcery.
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Posted 02 July 2016 - 04:30 AM

Yeah look at the GMT. This device I'm on has auto correct and half the words I want to use are seldom in here, so rare are the subjects.
So Mr Forgivalot, for the record, the words, phrases you choose to use are from the old ways and don't really convey any understanding for the lay person unless them use their imagination to invoke story time. I thought you would have more word power from where you're studies? Bless those who trespass, for they do not know any better at the time.

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Posted 02 July 2016 - 04:50 AM

Don't sweat it. Akashic files can be drawn upon at any time. Alot depends on one's righteousness of their inquiry. And you are quite right in your concern. I would notice a demon inside me, it's the ones running about that I'm more concerned with lol.
The files are a fractal reflection of our environment. Being whole automatically entitles one to them. Being arrogant and negative with them is foolhardy. It's commen sense for anyone whos privy. We are made in the image, but we are not him. Everything has a personality, anyone can notice this if they think freely on something long enough. The whole universe has forces of emotion/personality, we are made from the dust created by our Sun. Whats the problem, no demons here, strictly good aggressive intentions.

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Posted 02 July 2016 - 05:13 AM

Ok, for harmonising communion one should not look into the files. For a tool to steer the unrighteous others who harm the masses, there are exceptions. You don't have to agree with anything, I'm just trying to stop you creating a massive spike of concern. You personally read about the files and the word written are written by someone whos been there! Or someone whos been told by a trusted source? Eitherway, the words of warning are necessary, even if they are old fashioned words. The files are there for anyone who experiences highfrequency brain waves and ask the right questions in the righteous honest intent. No lie can be hidden, ever.

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Posted 02 July 2016 - 05:26 AM

Now. What do you want to know? Lol



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Posted 02 July 2016 - 06:34 AM

Second heaven! They had a way with words. It's not measurable because it's a third order octave frequency of potentials. A holographic part. We have structures in us that allow the potential of the hologram to......... There is no good or bad in the hologram, it just is. The good and bad do exist. They must be forgiven, if you want NO negative impression left on you. Don't forgive if you are strong and want the burden. I find it's easy being good. I do good in special ways, ways others are unable to. I do your good and the good of the many, I don't do accidents if I can help it. The modern world has been inverted in most ways. Many people are confused and can use a religion for direction and comfort. When we do good the impression is there for all to see. It's good to talk.


(For the record, books find me if I need them and if the author is agreeable!)

There's alot of essizz missing in one of my posts, it's not some subliminal skill of writing, I just missed them out whilst taping on this time wasting device called technological progress! i.e my smart phone. Thx

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Posted 02 July 2016 - 07:15 AM

Wow you've been reading some crazy books! It's called the akashic record haha, acacia is a tree, the type of wood the ark of the covenant was made of BTW. God isn't everything, He is a person. He created us to have a relationship with Him, but we can only connect with Him through purity. We are all in a fallen state and there two paths you can choose from here. To continue to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, to attemp at becoming your own god. Or you can come and be purified from what we have done, eat from the tree of life and life forever. Unite with the Creator by having Him live inside you. There are many teachings that will try to lead you astray for this, there's nothing new under the sun. Just as in the old days, these teaching from the Fallen Angels are deceiving the masses, leading so many astray because of their hatred for the children of God. Us beings created lesser than them, inheriting what they so greatly desired. There is only one way to unite with our created and it's by being purified by His blood. Although there are many things that will make you feel like your on that path, because of our fallen state and asleep spirit.


Yes I would be worried about something I knew little about. I haven't read any crazy books on the files TBH, but I like to self educate and maybe follow up with some research, that may involve a book or two. I had a couple of spiritual inquirers at the start but they were, were just wrong, trying to be helpful. If you are talking to a personality, then I would say you have demonic possesion. Anyone who wants to ply me with guilt, fear, ect, ect.... does not play a good game and immediately gets forgiven, and noticed.

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Posted 02 July 2016 - 07:37 AM

I am on a path, it's no one of self gratification, I have lived a satisfactory life before I got blessed with children. Now they are my concern in this confusing world others are making. My family is with Christ, my path is made for them by us.
I have thought that becoming a god would be too selfish in my current mind, it would take many years of good living to be comfortable with the contemplation. With the atmosphere so heavy with Nirtogen and all the chemtrails designed to stop it escaping, find myself in limbo. Not a bad guy, not a saint, certainly not a pervasive god. Just going with the flow, with a paddle and an outboard motor to use occasionally! Jesus don't mind, he wish he had one as good as mine sometimes lol

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 12:39 AM

Hey man I really hope your right, for the sake of most of humanity. It's so great to hear that your family is in Christ! The way I understand it, it's not about God choosing to send people to Hell. It's that we can't be one with a God who is 100% good and holy, loving and pure with anything that has even been near to sin and iniquity. Light and darkness just can't exist no matter what you do. These are laws that govern all of existence and will never be destroyed, because God will never lie/take back His word. The only thing bright enough to completely take away that darkness is God himself. It seems to me like your taking a gamble on your eternity. I pray that you with give Christ another chance, there is going to be a great revival in His name soon, as He pour His Spirit on all flesh. I strongly suggest seeking Him and getting in the right place to receive the abundance of blessings that are on their way for those who love and seek Him.
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Posted 04 July 2016 - 12:47 AM

We have to allow Him into our lives in the way He layed out specifically. A lot of it doesn't make since at first, but His ways are so much greater than ours. God knows people's hearts and at the point when all people who will ever decide to convert without extremely drastic measures do so, there will be a great caching away. The rest will be left to see the great tribulations for 7 years that's talked about in the book of Revelation, and then if they make it without receiving the mark, will decide if they want to accept Christ. Its horrific, I've seen it in a dream/vision. At a certain point it will be the only option left for God to turn humanity from its rebellious ways. God so much wants to be in our lives but it is the stain from sin and iniquities that make it impossible for Him to do without going back on His word.

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#29 Oakman

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Posted 02 April 2018 - 11:17 PM

Back to the original question, which one are you? I'd say I'm a '1'.

 

You want to believe in the invisible man in the sky...so be it. Religion thru the ages is a human artifact of insecurity. We can see the past (somewhat), and the religion(s) of whatever time simply fill the needs, fears, desires, and power struggles of that age. God, gods, spirits, whatever, they are all an imperfect description of the unexplainable for the unimaginative.

 

Whatever, whoever, however the universe was created will not be explained by humans and their religions. We (humans) are simply not evolved sufficiently or capable of getting our minds arounds the enormity of creation and it's methods. But I really do get enthusiastic about the challenge of discovery of the universe that unfolds before us and where it will lead humankind.



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Posted 21 January 2021 - 06:32 PM

I follow 4 principles: Atheism, science, centrism and scientology. It has helped me develop as a human. There are probably some more I will add in the future as I discover.  I believe in spirit and consciousness (i.e your thoughts have powerful effects via energy, frequency and vibration and the world works a lot with these) etc and correct meditation can help you develop those better. Yoga in my experience has the opposite effect of meditation worsening my condition.


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