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[Karomesis]

can't we all just get along?

Justinb, let me ask you a question; How much change do you think could be implemented by a consortium of billionaires? If a handful of the wealthiest people in the world got together and each spent a 100million or so, then we could beging instantly with SENS or some variation resembling it. That is nothing to gates who recently spent over 150 million on malaria research in africa.

As to your accusation of selfishness, yes, I would agree that most here wish to live, but that is not to say there are not some undelying non reciprocal altruisitc motives involved. And to be honest with you, I could give two giant mammoth shits what you think of my motivations or variations of altruistic behavoir, If I lived my life suffering your opinion and others like you, I would be a most miserable wretch.

Do you believe we should all live our lives in accordance with your system of ethics and afford you the opportunity to dictate to us what is and isn't acceptable in this world?

[justinb]

As Kevin said:

I really don't care about the motivations people have for fighting aging and death, just that they fight. I think there are fundamental similarities that peole share who are willing to take up such a folly and tilt at such windmills. I think that everyone would like to make the world a better place, its just that some people recognize the need for starting by making our personal world a better place, and go from there.

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I see that many people have started to have adverse reactions to what I said. I didn't say it to be on some sort of moral highground, or to judge people, or to make others feel bad, etc. All I wanted to do was help motivate others into action. Sometimes a kick in the ass is not a bad thing. In fact, I could use one right now in my current condition. People keep forgeting that this is just an internet forum. At the end of the day virtually all of the things said here really don't matter. ImmInst is either a valuable place to exchange ideas on real solutions or an escape, and unfortunately for most here it is the latter. Including me, of course! Most of the exchanges here are just "I am right and you are wrong." So, at the end of the day nothing was accomplished, except perhaps furthered confusion and animosity.

Dear Immortal,

I sincerely apologize for making you upset. My words were intended to spur people to action, if you don't like the way I did it, well... I am sorry. Getting pissed at a punk like me on the internet is not healthy.

Shepard,

We do things because we want to obtain emotional fulfillment. All emotions are fleeting. If you think I am doing this because I want to feel great about myself, than you are wrong. I want to save lives because the mere thought of loosing a single person affects me to an unprecedented degree. Just because I am trying to get over severe depression doesn't mean I don't want to help, I just can't. If I could get rid of it this moment and start working full-time on a medical degree, I would. As some insightful people might have noticed, my post was aimed at myself too. *cough* Caliban and Bates*cough*

Karomesis,

You can do anything you like as long as it doesn't effect my life or noticably effect another person's life in a bad way. If you can't figure out what is good and what is bad, than perhaps you need therapy, I don't know. You say that everyone operates via EP. Perhaps it is time for you to reflect. You, afterall, have a god-complex. So do many people here, unfortunately.

Edited by justinb, 15 November 2005 - 05:53 AM.

[immortal]

I apologise for my behaviour. The reason I reacted that way is because I have done something about the mallaise you are tired of seeing. Also be aware you do not suffer alone.

But you can do something to help achieve immortality and you are doing that right now by posting on these boards. What is written here will stay in the internet forever. If you start a website and pay the annual subscription fee ($13US) you can own that website and edit it's private Universe until the internet vanishes. And what you write affects another Universe and they will carry that influence with them forever.

Once again I apologise for my behaviour.

[Infernity]

Dear Immortal,

I sincerely apologize for making you upset. My words were intended to spur people to action, if you don't like the way I did it, well... I am sorry. Getting pissed at a punk like me on the internet is not healthy.

Wow, I'm proud at ya [huh]

-Infernity

[Karomesis]

Justin, do you think people who play todays version of sim city on a play station have a "god complex"? or perhaps they will when the simulatons are much, much more realistic? My quote has seemed to cause you considerable distress, why? I don't want to control others, I just want to be left to my own devices.

Yes, EP answers many questions with uncanny accuracy, being so completely different from you affords me the luxury of immunity from its implications. Good and bad are subjective terms justin, I would anticipate you know better than to make statements like that, what is applauded here is probably condemmed in some exotic locale or another and vice versa.

[justinb]

Immortal,

I don't understand what you mean about the websites, but I am glad we are on much better terms.

Karomesis,

Whatever. [tung]

being so completely different from you affords me the luxury of immunity from its implications

Just supports what I said.

If you are so different, than why do you care? If you cared what I thought of you, you wouldn't respond to a faceless punk on the internet. [glasses]

Wasting your time in cyberland is completely stupid, unhealthy, etc. Makes me wonder why I do it. [lol]

[immortal]

Immortality, as referenced from the Encarta Dictionary, is described as "able to live or last forever." Most people understand immortality as a physical life lasting until the stars extinguish themselves from the heavens. But thats not necesarily the case. Immortality can be achieved by the rememberance of a scenario, the rememberance of an interaction whether physical, intellectual or emotional and developing a platform through which interactions can occur. This website and forum discussion are prime examples. People meet, chat, discuss, interact. New perspectives are gained, enriching peoples perceptions and altering them for the rest of their lives. In a sense, you have already achieved immortality. But I underdstand your eagerness to see action upon the subject rather than ideas and concepts and why you think the "real"scientists who visit this website think it is puerile. Most of the scientists you asked to list themselves for clarity aren't participating in areas of commercial application. Most are still studying or have graduated and are looking for work. Most of these scientists are still children themselves. That's why this website is a non-profit organisation. None of them have the resources to back a serious commercial endeavour. Even the muchly hyped Methouselah Mouse project receives most of its funding through donations as far as I can determine. If my assumptions are wrong on this subject can somebody take my hand and guide me to the light of reason and understanding. And even when they achieve a significant advancement backers don't leap from the woodwork with chequebook between there slavering jaws because the possible commercial applications are too distant to warrant outlaying a significant sum to speed the reasearch up. ie the field is too risky a venture right now for investment on the scale karomesis advocates. And besides, there is too much political turmoil about the subject for investors to take the risk of their share price falling by associating with fringe research. It's a subject that's too explosive for anyone to get involved with at the moment. So all we can do at the moment is play our parts, direct influence where needed and bide our time.

And besides, if your going to waste your time in cyberland, why not do it with panache!

Karomesis,
Altruism is a selfless act. Gratitude is neither expected or desired.

[kingneo]

Do I care? Yes, I do. I want others to live and I truly mean that. Of course I want to live too, and hopefully I will live for a long, long time, but this will be nothing if I can't help the people around me, especially my family.

I care so much about this that my career choice will be to be part of the nanotech field, instead of the biotechnology field, since it is a field still in extreme infancy unlike biotechnology, but I believe nanotech will allow for much better things to happen than biotech. Remember I am 17 so by the time I become a graduate and get my masters, biotechnology would have probably already fully imerged and I would be of no real help there.

I don't want the money, of course it wouldn't hurt, but I want a better future. I plan on making a better future, and that is my mission on life.

[Karomesis]

justin, To me you have a face, and it just scared my kids [lol] [lol] and me.

but anyway, I spend alot of time reading on the net while I have time to do so, journals, forums, ect, trying to mine the gold nuggets of useful information while ignoring the mountains of worthless bullshit. You are intelligent enough to provide me with maybe a nugget or two , that is why I continue to suffer you. [tung]

I may have a "god' complex, but if you change your avatar one more time, it is quite likely that you are simply out of your fucking mind, or deranged. [glasses]

[justinb]

  [lol] and me.

but anyway, I spend alot of time reading on the net while I have time to do so, journals, forums,  ect, trying to mine the gold nuggets of useful information while ignoring the mountains of worthless bullshit. You are intelligent enough to provide me with maybe a nugget or two , that is why I continue to suffer you.   [tung] 

I may have a "god' complex, but if you change your avatar one more time, it is quite likely that you are simply out of your fucking mind, or deranged.   [glasses]

[lol]

I am not deranged, just neurotic to the max. [tung]

Sometimes it is hard to distinguish between the two. [lol]

[biggee]

I am new here, but at least I am here. What does that say about 99zillion percentage points of everyone else who isn't? Just being here is a huge frikken feat of sorts. That counts a lot. Education, information, growth in mind and body... spreading memes for youth perpetrating biological immortality.... we all do what we can, given our limitations... more than what can be said for the masses... however, having said that, I too am pissed that we can't get it rolling that much faster, YET. Sheesh, masses as consensus shouldn't be so dam anal about shit like this to begin with thus leaving us of true vision to struggle with our frustrations given all the odds stacked against us?! Like in says in your sig. justinb, 'Do not go gentle into that good night: Rage, rage against the dying of the light.' Or as a good friend of mine says, 'we can't stop digging 'til we are planted'. We just keep pounding until we bust through to the good part!

Biological immortality can be affected in numerous ways. And indeed the many are necessary to be effected.

[gkokm21]

human beings are selfish. and there is nothing really evil about that.
love is cliche and too vague.

i do experience that we feel emotional when bad things happen to our family.
there is this tendency but that does not mean that we love our family and we should love our family.

there is a lot of talking about loving and caring but when it comes to doing, most of the time we are doing things for ourselves. for course our biases will make us think that we have been very loving and caring.

the reason why i see that we have to cooperate in this issue is caused by selfishness. selfishness explains seriously many things in life.

[Infernity]

human beings are selfish. and there is nothing really evil about that.
love is cliche and too vague.

i do experience that we feel emotional when bad things happen to our family.
there is this tendency but that does not mean that we love our family and we should love our family.

there is a lot of talking about loving and caring but when it comes to doing, most of the time we are doing things for ourselves. for course our biases will make us think that we have been very loving and caring.

the reason why i see that we have to cooperate in this issue is caused by selfishness. selfishness explains seriously many things in life.

/*Me BOW!!!*

Finally someone who completely agrees with me!

-Infernity

[olaf.larsson]

I LOVE Imminst. Imminst is the place which I have been searching for all my life.

As a scientist have a immense advantage to be able to exchange thought and ideas in the area which interest me most.

I hope to contribute more to the antiaging in the future. To be able to do this I study molecular biology with bioinformatics specialisation.

In two weeks I start master thesis work in automatisation of proteomics data analysis.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. You people who have created this site.

Edited by wolfram, 07 January 2006 - 03:06 AM.

[why_not_forever]

Do we really care about saving lives?

Do we actually care about other lives than our own?

Shouldn't we be fighting for life every single second of every single day?

No offense, but ImmInst is not doing anything significant in the war on death.  It is not the fault of ImmInst, just human stupidity and selfishness.

Is anyone here, except for a half a dozen scientists, doing anything significant to stop the slaughter?

Either you guys don't care or you are completely worthless.  (Offense intended and I am in the same position right now.)

I don't know where to start and I am absolutely horrified of death and would break down crying if I thought of all of the death around me. 

I need to find direction in life so I can work towards saving lives, not talking about it.

I am lost, if you are lost too then lets help each other find out what we should do.

Everytime we pause, dozens of lives are extinquished FOREVER.

Well?

What are you guys REALLY doing to save lives?

Do you even care?

I am asking.  I will respond for about a week to anyone who posts.  After that, I am going to focus every second of everyday to saving lives.

I guarantee you wont like my honesty.  Sure, I will be wrong some of the time, but most of the time I am absolutely positive I will be correct.

[gkokm21]

to justinb,

to excel, one must be calm, clear headed.

ranting off about others will not solve problems. you are too emotional.
perhaps you could start off by cultivating a better personality first.

selfishness has been with us all the time. and shouting your lungs about selfish people is futile.

[jrhall]

To all out there who would like to do more to help:

Send John Schloendorn a soil sample.

Check out his thread: http://www.imminst.o...44&t=8580&st=60

He is doing real work to make Aubrey's SENS anti-aging therapies happen. If you really want to make immortality a reality, this is a concrete way to do it.