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#1 advancedatheist

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 05:41 PM


http://www.timesonli...13695_1,00.html

The Sunday Times October 16, 2005

Waiting for the lights to go out
We've taken the past 200 years of prosperity for granted. Humanity's progress is stalling, we are facing a new era of decay, and nobody is clever enough to fix it. Is the future really that black, asks Bryan Appleyard

The greatest getting-and-spending spree in the history of the world is about to end. The 200-year boom that gave citizens of the industrial world levels of wealth, health and longevity beyond anything previously known to humanity is threatened on every side. Oil is running out; the climate is changing at a potentially catastrophic rate; wars over scarce resources are brewing; finally, most shocking of all, we don't seem to be having enough ideas about how to fix any of these things.

It's been said before, of course: people are always saying the world will end and it never does. Maybe it won't this time, either. But, frankly, it's not looking good. Almost daily, new evidence is emerging that progress can no longer be taken for granted, that a new Dark Age is lying in wait for ourselves and our children....

One of the strangest portents of the end of progress is the recent discovery that humans are losing their ability to come up with new ideas.

Jonathan Huebner is an amiable, very polite and very correct physicist who works at the Pentagon's Naval Air Warfare Center in China Lake, California. He took the job in 1985, when he was 26. An older scientist told him how lucky he was. In the course of his career, he could expect to see huge scientific and technological advances. But by 1990, Huebner had begun to suspect the old man was wrong. "The number of advances wasn't increasing exponentially, I hadn't seen as many as I had expected — not in any particular area, just generally."

Puzzled, he undertook some research of his own. He began to study the rate of significant innovations as catalogued in a standard work entitled The History of Science and Technology. After some elaborate mathematics, he came to a conclusion that raised serious questions about our continued ability to sustain progress. What he found was that the rate of innovation peaked in 1873 and has been declining ever since. In fact, our current rate of innovation — which Huebner puts at seven important technological developments per billion people per year — is about the same as it was in 1600. By 2024 it will have slumped to the same level as it was in the Dark Ages, the period between the end of the Roman empire and the start of the Middle Ages.

The calculations are based on innovations per person, so if we could keep growing the human population we could, in theory, keep up the absolute rate of innovation. But in practice, to do that, we'd have to swamp the world with billions more people almost at once. That being neither possible nor desirable, it seems we'll just have to accept that progress, at least on the scientific and technological front, is slowing very rapidly indeed.

Huebner offers two possible explanations: economics and the size of the human brain. Either it's just not worth pursuing certain innovations since they won't pay off — one reason why space exploration has all but ground to a halt — or we already know most of what we can know, and so discovering new things is becoming increasingly difficult. We have, for example, known for over 20 years how cancer works and what needs to be done to prevent or cure it. But in most cases, we still have no idea how to do it, and there is no likelihood that we will in the foreseeable future.

Huebner's insight has caused some outrage. The influential scientist Ray Kurzweil has criticised his sample of innovations as "arbitrary"; K Eric Drexler, prophet of nanotechnology, has argued that we should be measuring capabilities, not innovations. Thus we may travel faster or access more information at greater speeds without significant innovations as such.

Huebner has so far successfully responded to all these criticisms. Moreover, he is supported by the work of Ben Jones, a management professor at Northwestern University in Illinois. Jones has found that we are currently in a quandary comparable to that of the Red Queen in Through the Looking Glass: we have to run faster and faster just to stay in the same place. Basically, two centuries of economic growth in the industrialised world has been driven by scientific and technological innovation. We don't get richer unaided or simply by working harder: we get richer because smart people invent steam engines, antibiotics and the internet. What Jones has discovered is that we have to work harder and harder to sustain growth through innovation. More and more money has to be poured into research and development and we have to deploy more people in these areas just to keep up. "The result is," says Jones, "that the average individual innovator is having a smaller and smaller impact."

Like Huebner, he has two theories about why this is happening. The first is the "low-hanging fruit" theory: early innovators plucked the easiest-to-reach ideas, so later ones have to struggle to crack the harder problems. Or it may be that the massive accumulation of knowledge means that innovators have to stay in education longer to learn enough to invent something new and, as a result, less of their active life is spent innovating. "I've noticed that Nobel-prize winners are getting older," he says. "That's a sure sign it's taking longer to innovate." The other alternative is to specialise — but that would mean innovators would simply be tweaking the latest edition of Windows rather than inventing the light bulb. The effect of their innovations would be marginal, a process of making what we already have work slightly better. This may make us think we're progressing, but it will be an illusion.

If Huebner and Jones are right, our problem goes way beyond Windows. For if innovation is the engine of economic progress — and almost everybody agrees it is — growth may be coming to an end. Since our entire financial order — interest rates, pension funds, insurance, stock markets — is predicated on growth, the social and economic consequences may be cataclysmic.
Is it really happening? Will progress grind to a halt? The long view of history gives conflicting evidence. Paul Ormerod, a London-based economist and author of the book Why Most Things Fail, is unsure. "I am in two minds about this. Biologists have abandoned the idea of progress — we just are where we are. But humanity is so far in advance of anything that has gone before that it seems to be a qualitative leap"....

Ormerod suspects that capitalism is indeed, like cities, a lasting change in the human condition. "Immense strides forward have been taken," he says. It may be that, after millennia of striving, we have found the right course. Capitalism may be the Darwinian survivor of a process of natural selection that has seen all other systems fail.

Ormerod does acknowledge, however, that the rate of innovation may well be slowing — "All the boxes may be ticked," as he puts it — and that progress remains dependent on contingencies far beyond our control. An asteroid strike or super-volcanic eruption could crush all our vanities in an instant.



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Posted 16 October 2005 - 07:25 PM

Mark, do you really believe this or are you just passing this along for everyone to read and analyze?

#3 advancedatheist

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 07:35 PM

Mark, do you really believe this or are you just passing this along for everyone to read and analyze?


We can empirically observe & measure the kinds of trends discussed in this article, Mind. We live in the same reality, and if the smart people in my reality can't find a cure for aging and death, they won't find one in yours, either.

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 09:52 PM

Time will tell, and given the author's admission,

people are always saying the world will end and it never does.

I'd say the odds are that progress will continue.

Remember also that the dark ages were only "dark" (semi-dark at that) for Europe, progress continued in other areas of the world.

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 07:21 PM

First, the human population is continuing to rise exponentially. It is currently approaching 6.5 billion, in 1900 it was 1.65 billion, in 1800 it was around a billion, in 1500 it was 500m. The figures show that economic and technological progress is loading the planet with billions more people. By keeping humans alive longer and by feeding them better, progress is continually pushing population levels. With population comes pollution. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that global warming caused by human activity is happening. According to some estimates, we will pass the point of no return within a decade. Weather systems will change, huge flooding will occur, and human civilisation if not existence will be at risk. This can be avoided if the US and China cut their carbon-dioxide emissions by 50% at once. This won't happen, as they are fighting an economic war with progress as the prize. There are many other progress-created threats. Oil is one diminishing resource, and fresh water is another, even more vital one. Wars are virtually certain to be fought to gain control of these precious liquids.


OK, riddle me this. How is it that devastating global warming is going to occur when there will not be any oil to burn? The guy is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Also, he obviously has not consulted the latest UN population projections. It is now expected that the world's population will level off at less than 9 billion at 2025 or even earlier. Industrialized nations are worried more about population decline than overpopulation. France is now offering couples money to have more kids. Holy crap, does this guy think "The Population Bomb" is the bible or something.

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 07:29 PM

The American trade embargo, combined with the collapse of Cuba's communist allies in eastern Europe, suddenly deprived the island of imports. Without oil, public transport shut down and TV broadcasts finished early in the evening to save power. Industrial farms needed fuel and spare parts, pesticides and fertiliser — none of which were available. Consequently, the average Cuban diet dropped from about 3,000 calories per day in 1989 to 1,900 calories four years later. In effect, Cubans were skipping a meal a day, every day, week after month after year. Of necessity, the country converted to sustainable farming techniques, replacing artificial fertiliser with ecological alternatives, rotating crops to keep soil rich, and using teams of oxen instead of tractors. There are still problems supplying meat and milk, but over time Cubans regained the equivalent of that missing meal. And ecologists hailed their achievement in creating the world's largest working model of largely sustainable agriculture, largely independent of oil.


And yet, the author still thinks we are all doomed. There is no hope. There is no way to live without oil. Here again....talking out of both sides of his mouth.

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 11:45 PM

My opinion of what the author is saying, is that the reduction in innovation might not be such a bad thing. I mean, innovation is good, but is innovation really the measure of humanity's survival? Maybe what is needed right now for the sake of humankind is not innovation, but re-organization of existing knowledge, information and ideas in a better way.

We have reached a point in time right now, where we are super-saturated with knowledge, ideas and information. Terence McKenna refers to this as 'the end of novelty'....Is anyone familiar with the term "cliche'"? I hate that word; it has such snotty and cynical connotations. It has to do with lack of originality. Well, a cliche' is just a truth that has been repeated so many times that people become familiar with it, and become self-reflexive, or self-conscious, of its expression and contemptuous of it. It is an expression or idea that has lost its originality or force through overuse. The thing is, it is hard to avoid cliche's these days because there is not much room for originality, due to this saturation of knowledge. Humans do seek novelty, but one thing I think we need to do is learn to live with this re-hashing of existing truth without becoming sick of it, or contemptuous of re-expression. What I mean is, for example, when we roll our eyes at the 'happy ending' in a movie because we have seen it so many times before. That happy ending is not something to be contemptuous of as a cliche, but something to be appreciated as an expression of our highest ideals and desires.

Are people really getting less clever? I do think there is too much complacency in the world, and to a great extent, many members of society have lost touch with what is real in life and the universe. It has become a cynical 'society of the spectacle', where we just sit in the audience and watch everything happening. It's like there are less people out there making things happen, because they say or think 'not me', that great kinds of things only happens or are done in movies, to special people.

Perhaps the reason why there was so much innovation in earlier times was because people were being REAL, participating in the happenings of life, being in touch with the heart of things. Listen to the way English was spoken and written in older times, and the way people spoke to each other - it seems to have much more of a sense of ultimacy; like the force of a meaningful and moving speech.

So back to the point of innovation - Of course we don't know everything there is to know, but during this present era, we have enough knowledge and experience to construct new things and new models from what already exists. Once humanity has reviewed itself and learned from its mistakes; turned away from certain stupidities; put everything in place; perhaps this will give rise to a higher level of understanding and a new way of being. Then, novelty and originality may start taking place again.

I don't know if any of this is making sense, or if anyone gets what I am saying. But I had to get that rant off my chest anyway.

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 11:52 PM

I don't know if any of this is making sense, or if anyone gets what I am saying. But I had to get that rant off my chest anyway.


It was a good rant.

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 12:42 AM

thanks, Mind ;)

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 07:08 PM

Forgive me for posting on an old post but I couldn't help adding my thoughts.

OK, riddle me this. How is it that devastating global warming is going to occur when there will not be any oil to burn?


As reported by the late Carl Sagan, may he rest in peace, "We humans have now almost stopped producing CFCs. We won't actually know if we've avoided real harm for a century; that's how long it takes for all the CFC damage to be completed." This is from his book Pale Blue Dot. You probably know that a chief cause of global warming is CFC damage. So according to Dr. Sagan it will be sometime before we know if we have f*cked ourselves. And about the slowing of progress, you may want to read Dr. Robert Zubrin's book The Case for Mars. In that book he makes the case that technological innovations have slowed and we must go to Mars to find a new frontier to achieve a new period of great innovations. I like the book and highly recommend it. And my last point is about oil. We still have a good supply. The wells in the Middle East won't be depleted until the 2080's and 2090's. Awhile, but we'll feel the crunch long before it's all gone. That's my two cents, anyway.

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 08:44 PM

Moving closer to totally automated fabrication

Intel, in fact, has already implemented what it calls Level 8 automation to its 90-nm fabs, with plans to deploy the same technology within its 65-nm plants. According to Intel, the Level 8 designation means that a wafer fab is fully automated, including everything from the tool and materials handling functions to the data automation systems.

Level 8 could be the closest thing to the long-awaited but dreaded “lights out fab,” which implies that humans are no longer needed in a fab to operate or handle the tools or other manufacturing functions.


I see this as just another sign that we are headed toward some sort of take-off...some sort of singularity type event. This is something that has been predicted by Kurzweil and other technologists/futurists. The critics will of course say it really isn't progress, something like "so what, now we have cheaper faster computer chips...it really isn't progress". And then they will go on to try explain some twisted new definition of progress. After awhile, you have to wonder what world the critics are living in.

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 05:56 PM

I think it is important to differentiate between fundamental paradigm shifting ideas and their innovation. I would think the former is going to decline over time as the "pyramid" of this type of knowledge grows. With out current intellectual capacity there is probably a limited set of problems that we can grasp, and since the simple (and more revolutionary ones) tend to be knocked out first, we are left with a decreasing rate. This doesn't mean that the rate of improvement of refinement and spin-off ideas would decrease however, and as such singularity advocates don't have much to fear if all that is needed to achieve superintelligence is the improvement of current technologies. If and when that happens, the bottleneck of our intelligence becomes widened, the realm of fundamental access amenable to us dramatically increases and again we will face such revolutions as we did in 1873, slowing down eventually into another pyramid until we expand our consciousness again...

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 10:58 PM

if the smart people in my reality can't find a cure for aging and death, they won't find one in yours, either


The "cure" will not happen overnight or all at once. The steps will be incremental. Actually, the astute observer of the relevant sciences should be delighted by the rate and extent of discovery. It could be happening much faster, of course, but there are fundamental limits to what can be achieved irrespective of available resources without sufficient progress in basic science and technology. This is the reason why irrespective of Nixon's declaration of war on cancer in 1971 and the hundreds of millions subsequently spent, very little progress was made in defeating the disease. Consider Mullis' discovery of PCR, which enabled groundbreaking acceleration in molecular biology and genetics. In hindsight this technique was very simple and certainly did not require the extensive theoretical and applied foundation for discovery as, for example, the structure of DNA did, yet it revolutionized life sciences and he was awarded the Nobel Prize for it.

Similarly, with the attainment of critical mass in specific knowledge compartments, retrospectively simple but key discoveries will liberate dramatic amounts of additional knowledge. One recent example is the discovery of RNA interference. Not only is there great utility in being able to switch selected genes off without having to resort to knock out or other mutants but its discovery has revealed an extensive network of underlying RNA regulatory mechanisms that extend far beyond transcriptional modulation. Stem cell plasticity is another example.

Politics aside, there is nothing bleak about the future at all. Our legacy as a species is that we are problem solvers. The drive to seek answers is in our very genes.

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 11:14 PM

This is the reason why irrespective of Nixon's declaration of war on cancer in 1971 and the hundreds of millions subsequently spent, very little progress was made in defeating the disease.


Just one minor correction on this point. The hundreds of millions were mostly wasted following a poor theory. The people in charge of Nixon's war on cancer spent nearly all of the money searching for a cancer virus and trying to develop vaccines. It was a novel theory in the beginning and since most of disease research prior to 1971 focused on germs/microbes/viruses, I guess it was natural for them to think this way. After a couple years of futility you would have figured they would go in different directions, but they wasted over 20 years and all the millions on the virus theory. It wasn't until the early 1990s that some respectible skeptics put an end to the nonsense. Perhaps we didn't have all the great tools from the early 70s to the early 90s, and to expect significant progress (in hindsight) was probably hoping too much, but they sure could have gotten further if they had allowed some different sorts of research.

Of course, as you mentioned, our tools have advanced greatly, and this should continue unabated into the future, thus tipping the "war on cancer" in our favor.




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