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[bossplaya]

Has anyone here tried Selegiline (Deprenyl) while on Adderall or some kind of 'speedy' amphetamine substance? Both work on the dopamine system, so it would be interesting to know what kind of interaction the two substances would have.

How about Tianeptine while on Adderall or amphetamine-like stimulants? Anyone have experience with that?

[bossplaya]

[wis] Abuse potential? No, not me! I'm looking into these things for therapeutic and cognitive enhancement reasons.

I asked those questions because of the same reasons you posted - in order to avoid serotonin syndrome or other dangerous effects. While I used to take more frequent journeys into altered states of consciousness, I would like to keep my occasional 'voyages' into stimulant-land (or any other drug-induced mind space) safe. When I say occasional, I mean only 3-4 times a year (if ever).

I've never tried MDMA before, but it is something I do want to experience when I feel ready.

[purerealm]

It's a wonderful combination of methamphetamine power and serotonin happiness

[beej]

Since I started this course of medication I have been on fucking fire, extreemly pro-social, confident, and ecstatically happy.
I have been so depressed I hyave barely been able to funtion, I had to quit my job, and then tafe and then go on a disability pension.
I had this all pervading lethargy that was just eating me, it would take me 20 minutes to get dressed, I couldn't process I thought from start to finish or undertake any kind of task requiring sustained attention. I was severly socially phobic to the point of not being able to attend class or enjoys socialising.

I had tried over a dozen antidepressants, nothing worked longer than a few months but nothing has worked like this.


My dreams have been exclusively based around being chased, being intimidated, feeling guilty, runnig running running or fighting someone who always beats me or feeling like an imposter.

This week I can remember 2 dreams.

One, where I was drinking a $150 bottle of wine and just savering every drop, I could almost taste it. It was equisite.

The other was going up to an ATM and there being 15k of cash hanging out of it which I grabbed and this guy came up franticly looking for his cash and I was just, "oh well" and gave it to him and felt good.


My creativity is just out of fucking control. I have had my motorbike sitting in the back yard for months just needing about a 5 hours work done on it to get it roadworthy. I really want it back on the road but have just been mentally blocked from coming up with solutions to these (minor) problems. Day after starting this, I started work on it enjoying every second and as it stands now I have been going for 3 days, 12 hours a day, painting, modifying, customising, conceptulising.....crazy

Coming up with all these business idea's, seeing investment opertunitys, seeing ways to organise my life, goals etc.

And most telling of all, I have had absolutely no desire to go out this weekend whereas every weekend for the past few months I couldn't not cos I always felt lonely.
And
No desire to use meth which was getting outa control. None.

My memory doesn't seem any better though and getting aout of bed still sucks. Have been a little touchy but get over it str8 away and nothing innapropriate.

I am still running on anxious energy a bit but I have always done that, difference is I am not so jittery, I don't powerwalk down the street anymore and while I still am socially anxious, it isn't the fear it once was and I am not ruminating anymore.

It would be too much to hope for for this to last I'm sure, but if it can just keep that bone crushing melencholia away I will be happy.

Alot of my mood elevation I feel is coming from the ritalin and caffine I am taking in combination (yes I am watching my bp) I plan to reduce this alot and try to impliment some cardiovascular exercise

[bleslie]

I am not an expert, but the above looks like a classic case of manic depressive behavior, including the attempt to self-medicate.

beeji, you don't even tell us what "course of medication" you are on. Good luck, but you look like you are in for a crash unless you get some qualified medical help.

[bleslie]

beej, I was hoping someone else would have chimed in by now, as I read this board very infrequently, but you really should think about getting professional help. Part of classic manic depressive behavior is refusing to get help when "up," but at least keep this advice in mind.

The guys at the avantlabs forum would be better able to answer your questions.

[bossplaya]

Thanks for sharing that with us beej, I understand exactly what you're going through. I do agree with bleslie, that you seem to be exhibiting signs of manic depressive patterning in your lifestyle.

We do have a few things in common though, you must be Aussie because you mentioned TAFE. I also get those times when I am really on fire, and then come crashing down again. I also had a meth habit that was getting out of control, but I kicked that and also stopped smoking at the same time. My motorbike is in pieces right now, because I'm customizing it and painting it - it's been sitting in the garage as a pile of parts for a couple of months now, but all I have to do is re-shape up the fuel tank and rear mudguard, get those painted and then clean up the whole thing and re-assemble it. I've got university exams and assignments all due (or overdue) right now, and I can't invest any time in anything else until those are finally done and over with.

But I think what we need to do is stay 'up', but not overly high....so at the same time we stabilize the energy flow of our moods, so that we don't crash down too hard again. For me it's like -- when you're up and really happy -- after you crash down, you think and feel like all of that greatness and happiness was just a 'Fool's Paradise', just an illusion, and the only reality is the depression and anguish that one is feeling now...

[beej]

God, looking at that post now I can see I was manic as hell, something I have come to realise in the past few days. Been combining Selegaline with Ritalin(serch for it there are some studys regarding it) , reduced my dose to a quarter of what I was when I wrote that and am still overly stimulated, man, no wonder I felt so good.

Lol, my poor motorbike, it is in so many peices now and I am even further from getting it on the road haha. Actually I feel I have Type 6 ADHD which can mimic many bipolar symtems, never usually get manic highs.

Wow, and think, I worked for years as a psych nurse and had tones of contact with bipolar patients yet couldn't see it in my behaviour... oh well.

will pursue treatment along those lines now I guess.

[liorrh]

yeah, from your first post I could tell you are on amphetamines. not to shabby.