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[purerealm]

http://www.berkeleyw...FocusFactor.php
what do you guys think of this

[ajnast4r]

lame, expensive...

good ingredients but bad amounts & no quality assurance

[LifeMirage]

Their website is sad and very drug focused.

'SAM-e


Claims, Benefits: "Natural" treatment for depression, arthritis, and liver disease.

Bottom Line: Some studies suggest that SAM-e might be an effective treatment for depression, with fewer side effects than antidepressant drugs. But the real benefits and risks of SAM-e are still unclear. People with depression or joint pain should seek medical advice before trying SAM-e. If it works, it's a drug, and should be regulated and prescribed like one, as it is in Europe."

The last sentence I fine quite scary.

[opales]

Bottom Line: Some interesting ingredients, but this formulation is not backed by research. No product on the market will boost your memory.

An herbal bouquet, including huperzine A, vinpocetine, and others. Huperzine is under study as a potential Alzheimer’s drug. There is as yet no solid evidence that it works. It is sold for memory enhancement in Europe, but there’s no proof that it, or any of the other herbs in Focus Factor, is effective.

DMAE. This brain chemical helps the body produce choline. As a supplement it is sold for everything from reducing facial wrinkles to making you smarter. But it’s very unlikely that DMAE can do any of this.

I think we were looking for comments on statements like these...

[purerealm]

Yes, I was anyway. A major research institute UC Berkeley published that. . .

kind of makes me wonder

[turbo]

Yes, I was anyway. A major research institute UC Berkeley published that. . .

kind of makes me wonder

me too

[turbo]

bizumpppp.....

[psychenaut]

Comment on action (or lack) of ingredients aside: All you need to know to form a immediate buying decision of this product is right on Focus Factors site. Whenever a product does not disclose dose of individual ingredients, I run.

Synergistic and proprietary formulation  692 mg  * 

Diemethylaminoethanol (as DMAE bitartrate) L-glutamine, Bacopin®(Bacopa monnieri extract; leaf)‡‡, L-pyroglutamic acid, phosphatidylserine, docosahexaenoic acid concentrate (15% DHA from fish body oil), choline (as choline bitartrate), inositol, N-acetyltyrosine, bilberry fruit standardized extract (25% anthocyanosides), gamma-aminobutyric acid, grape skin extract and Activin™, (grape seed extract) ‡‡‡, vinpocetine, Trace-Lyte™ electrolyte concentrate, huperzine A (extract of huperzia serrata; whole plant), boron (as boron citrate), and vanadium (as vanadyle sulfate). * Daily value not established.

These could very well be microgram doses. When "Synergistic and proprietary formulation" is used as a smokescreen, it is an affront to any intelligent consumer.

[purerealm]

well I was wondering about that too but someone mentioned a weak proportion of nootropics, so I assumed that it was out there posted somewhere. In addition, I don't have focus factor, but focus smart, a knock off of FF available at costco. And it has the same nutritional label, a blend of ingredients totalling to 692 mg

[turbo]

Comment on action (or lack) of ingredients aside: All you need to know to form a immediate buying decision of this product is right on Focus Factors site. Whenever a product does not disclose dose of individual ingredients, I run.

Synergistic and proprietary formulation  692 mg  * 

Diemethylaminoethanol (as DMAE bitartrate) L-glutamine, Bacopin®(Bacopa monnieri extract; leaf)‡‡, L-pyroglutamic acid, phosphatidylserine, docosahexaenoic acid concentrate (15% DHA from fish body oil), choline (as choline bitartrate), inositol, N-acetyltyrosine, bilberry fruit standardized extract (25% anthocyanosides), gamma-aminobutyric acid, grape skin extract and Activin™, (grape seed extract) ‡‡‡, vinpocetine, Trace-Lyte™ electrolyte concentrate, huperzine A (extract of huperzia serrata; whole plant), boron (as boron citrate), and vanadium (as vanadyle sulfate). * Daily value not established.

These could very well be microgram doses. When "Synergistic and proprietary formulation" is used as a smokescreen, it is an affront to any intelligent consumer.

i agree, i manage a health store in america, and this is a common trick on many products, teh 'synergistic blend' approach.

i really wish we could get some comments about what the article seemed to be saying about nootropics in general tho

[turbo]

bump bump...

[turbo]

i always had the impression berkely was a respectable school. i'm pretty surprised the veterans here aren't offended by, and feel a need to respond to, such comments as:


"but there is no evidence that consuming extra choline in adulthood will do anything for memory."


"Huperzine is under study as a potential Alzheimer’s drug. There is as yet no solid evidence that it works."

"There is no product on the market that will boost your memory."


that's pretty weak guys.