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[curious_sle]

I am quite interested in adding some skin cream to my efforts. I am quite interested in skin creams containing Beta (1,6 1,3 not shure what's better) Glucan and if possible ellagitanins. Especially i am interested in a cream for the area surrounding the eyes as there is where I presume a beta glucan cream canbe quite helpfull in restoring skin thikness etc.

I saw a cream sold at very few places high in beta glucan as it is clinically used for patients confined long term to the bed hence the need for skinrepair.I would have to look it up however if anyone is interested.

Any comments aprechiated

[psychenaut]

I use and love REJUV by GeroNova Research. Alpha-lipoic base, and no petroleum or mineral oils which can actually oxidise your skin. For guys, it is great after shaving. I use it around my eyes (and my face) and like the results, but I am pretty smooth skinned to begin with.

When I hear of folks spending upwards of $100 on a skin cream I cringe. One each sells for $46.95 in a light protective glass bottle with a pump top. A little dab will do your whole face.

[Mind]

I just started using something called "Strixaderm" just a couple months ago. It works quite well on my skin. I could notice a difference right away, within a week. It contains a whole mess of plant extracts. It costs about 50.00 for a six month supply at my local vitamin store.

[curious_sle]

as in http://www.strixaderm.com/ ? not cheap :-). They got a eye cream as well as general skin cream. looks nice but lacks a few things i'd like in it it seems but i need to read up more on it, Thanks anway.

[Mind]

Yes I see that it is rather expensive online. Like I said, I only pay 50 because I am a member at my local vitamin store.

[curious_sle]

ok, i see. Well Froogle has a few nice leads.

Still, there really seems so far only to be a medical use skin cream containing beta glucan in usefull ammounts :-( ah well.

[Mind]

Despair not...you had better believe most cosmetic companies in the world are trying to develop skin creams with real anti-aging power...things that generate physiological changes in your skin. The first one to do so will dominate the market, and it will benefit us all becasue real science will be advanced (along with good looks).

[Pablo M]

I use and love REJUV by GeroNova Research. Alpha-lipoic base, and no petroleum or mineral oils which can actually oxidise your skin. For guys, it is great after shaving. I use it around my eyes (and my face) and like the results, but I am pretty smooth skinned to begin with.

When I hear of folks spending upwards of $100 on a skin cream I cringe. One each sells for $46.95 in a light protective glass bottle with a pump top. A little dab will do your whole face.

Only problem with Rejuv is that it contains aloe vera. GeroNova should know better than to put unproven ingredients like that in a product. Aloe vera actually has some real drawbacks:
Aloe Vera and Glycation

[tropicofcarol]

Recommend you try skinactives.com. I've copied a list of their 'essentials' and pasted it following this note.

All products they sell are maunfactured. produced, and/or analyzed and tested in their labs. Their forum and newsletters are great; prices are excellent.

recommendations Anti-age: alpha lipoic acid, Matrixyl, GABA, niacinamide.
Recommend you try skinactives.com. Skin tightening: sea kelp, DMAE, ascorbic acid.

Oil control: niacinamide, ascorbic acid.

Acne: ascorbic acid, tea tree oil,EGCG of green tea, niacinamide.

Anti-inflammatory/antiallergic: grape seed proanthocyanidins, Boswellia serrata.
Cancer prevention/cancer control: betulinic acid, EGCG of green tea, caffein, pomegranate oil.

Scars: sea kelp bioferment, rosehip oil, niacinamide, Centella asiatica.

Healing: epidermal growth factor, Boswellia serrata, Centella asiatica, propolis

Skin lightening and melasma: EGCG of green tea, kojic acid, azelaic acid
Re-vitalizing: sea kelp bioferment, natural active peptides, epidermal growth factor, coconut endosperm.

Anti-oxidants:superoxide dismutase (SOD), lipophilic anti-oxidant mix

Hair growth/thickening: Chrysin, natural active peptides, sea kelp bioferment, grape seed proanthocyanidins

Eyes: Chrysin, Eyeliss

[roof01]

I would recommend this book:

Dr. Denese's Secrets for Ageless Skin
(by Adrienne Denese, 2005)


A skin cream is not optimal to deliver beneficial substances, like vitamins ...

[sentrysnipe]

What particular benefit do you want which makes you like a cream to have beta glucans in it?

Strixaderm has a great patented ingredient, what about the Copper Peptides? Is it just as good? I saw it from a product "Super Cop 2X" http://www.skinbio.c...rdersupers.html

and the before after pictures were positive
http://www.skinbio.c...afterpicts.html
http://www.dianayvon...gory/16c.kelli/
http://www.dianayvon...ategory/16c.dy/
http://www.dianayvon...ogresspictures/
http://www.dianayvon...egory/16c.mica/
http://www.dianayvon...ogresspictures/
http://www.dianayvon.../16c.veronique/

In addition to a peptide serum, may I suggest (and some reasons why):



1. Vitamin A Wrinkle Treatment Gel or Cream (non-comedogenic or comedogenic) - has 10,000 IU / 100g retinyl palmitate, cheap for 6$ 8 oz
2. Alpha Hydrox Enhanced Lotion - 10% AHA, acts as both moisturizer and exfoliator, non comedogenic, only 11$ 6 oz
3. buy a microdermabrasion cloth


In addition to the above posts by other members:

Hypertrophic scars: TrichloroAcetic Acid (50%-100%) spot treatment

DMAE (topical) - find the most potent DMAE like http://www.puredeming.com/
Glutathione, reduced - skin lightener, oral
Fulvic Acid and Hyaluronic Acid - Faux Filament by Dermadoctor gets good feedbacks, apparently it has high amounts of these ingredients. http://www.dermadoct.....D76E4F791A94} but very expensive

Ultimately I think the effect has something to do with the concentration and potency per ingredient.

Edited by sentrysnipe, 25 November 2005 - 02:36 AM.

[curious_sle]

Why beta glucan? Topically applied it stimulates skin repair without scaring and is used in specialized creams for long term bed confined patients to regenerate their skin. I would hoe to use it especially arround the eyes where over time the skin wears thin compared to the surrounding tissue and help with dark shadows under the eyes etc. Not shure about wrinkles though.

Thanks for the interessting links.

[mitkat]

What does everyone think about idebenone skin creams? Besides being very pricy? Here's a DIY skin cream i made for fun some of you might have seen (on the second page if the link doesn't work):

http://www.imminst.o...t=0


Also, "pure" vitamin e creams - provided one doesn't have an acne problem, or just very oily skin, would one want to use these liberally?

http://jamiesonvitam..._item.asp?id=33

some thoughts.

[psychenaut]

Regarding Aloe Vera in REJUV:

The amount of aloe in REJUV cream (and almost all creams on the market) is not significant enough to cause glycation and does much more good than it does harm. It has been used traditionally for centuries for treating hives, insect stings and bites, rashes, sunburn, swelling and skin wrinkles. A friend got a chemical burn in the lab and put REJUV on it and had amazing healing. Try it on dry skin and watch how quickly you get results.

Rejuv has 16 ingredients in it, and all of them are useful. In most other creams the amount of the beneficial ingredients are small, and they fill the rest of the product with oil so it seems like you are getting more, so they use cheaper and ineffective ingredients for the bulk of it.

REJUV has no fillers, preservatives like PABA or any junk in it (like many creams out there). We now even have many dermatologists using it for their patients after cosmetic surgery, especially because the aloe is in there since it supports surgical recovery. My friend also uses it and it has helped her psoriasis after she tried everything out there.

There is research indicating that isolated components of aloe vera, such as glycoprotein, can have some effectiveness for wound healing and as an anti-irritant (Sources: Journal of Ethnopharmacology, December 1999, pages 3–37; Free-Radical Biology and Medicine, January 2000, pages 261–265; and British Journal of Dermatology, October 2001, pages 535–545).

So, I just wanted to clarify and set the record straight. Skin creams really run the gamut from cheap to expensive and high quality to crap. I think GeroNova hit the bulls eye in achieving an excellent formulation, at a very attractive price point.

With cold weather coming on, this would make an excellent wind and cold protective.

More info by clicking here.

Cheers,
Pete

[icyT]

Skin creams confuse me. Yes, the skin can absorb nutrients, but not in a lot of cases, it depends on the substance. Either way, why not just get it through the diet?

I think creams should be unnecessary, except of course for dealing with the cleaning of any excess dead skin, or maladies resulting from environmental or physical stresses to the skin.

Could someone explain to me or refer me to a website explaining how skin creams are beneficial, in a proven way, and in a way that diet will not work?

Is it that the nutrients of diet are blocked from getting from the skin, so they are applied topically to bypass this blockage?

I would rather identify and eliminate this blockage, the interference keeping the nutrition in the blood from getting to the skin.

[alexoverhere]

Tyciol: some of us notice skin changes under the eye literally overnight from computer usage, long nights, all-nighters, or not getting a good night's sleep. Eye creams can have a visible and instantaneous effect. Diet won't substitute for lack of sleep in the short-term, whereas creams can.

[canz]

Regarding Aloe Vera in REJUV:

The amount of aloe in REJUV cream (and almost all creams on the market) is not significant enough to cause glycation and does much more good than it does harm. It has been used traditionally for centuries for treating hives, insect stings and bites, rashes, sunburn, swelling and skin wrinkles. A friend got a chemical burn in the lab and put REJUV on it and had amazing healing. Try it on dry skin and watch how quickly you get results.

Rejuv has 16 ingredients in it, and all of them are useful. In most other creams the amount of the beneficial ingredients are small, and they fill the rest of the product with oil so it seems like you are getting more, so they use cheaper and ineffective ingredients for the bulk of it.

REJUV has no fillers, preservatives like PABA or any junk in it (like many creams out there). We now even have many dermatologists using it for their patients after cosmetic surgery, especially because the aloe is in there since it supports surgical recovery. My friend also uses it and it has helped her psoriasis after she tried everything out there.

There is research indicating that isolated components of aloe vera, such as glycoprotein, can have some effectiveness for wound healing and as an anti-irritant (Sources: Journal of Ethnopharmacology, December 1999, pages 3–37; Free-Radical Biology and Medicine, January 2000, pages 261–265; and British Journal of Dermatology, October 2001, pages 535–545).

So, I just wanted to clarify and set the record straight. Skin creams really run the gamut from cheap to expensive and high quality to crap. I think GeroNova hit the bulls eye in achieving an excellent formulation, at a very attractive price point.

With cold weather coming on, this would make an excellent wind and cold protective.

More info by clicking here.

Cheers,
Pete

Can anyone else comment on this product? I feel like this is an advertisement. I have combination dry/oily skin and its hard for me to find a good moisturizer for my face that has anti-aging properties as well. I get eczema on my cheeks in the winter, yet my nose and forehead stay oily. I have tried Energy by energy cosmetic and A perfect World by origins. The Energy makes my face flush red and irritated for about 30min to an hour. Seems to do well at times, sometimes not. The origins seems to be refreshing at first but ends up making my face oily. I'm at a loss here, and I've spent alot of money, I am tempted to buy this gernova, but I'd like to get a few opinions on it before I waste another 50 bucks.

[curious_sle]

puritan.com now features strixaderm md if anyone's interessted.

[curious_sle]

oh, anyone care to comment on Elastatropin?
http://www.azcentral...0127skin27.html

[glexia]

Hi,

I have started to use the eye products of this web: Xeridian

I use " Ultra eye Serum" and " Renew eye serum" and i appy them into the whole face (the ingredients has little differences than the face products). They are very expensive... but i notice some changes....i´ll wait a little and i´ll post the results.


The ingredients are all natural . [thumb]

Ultra eye serum

Ingredients:
Ultra-Purified Water (Ultra-Distilled & De-Ionized), Polypeptide-C Complex™ (Pentapeptides, Oligopeptides, Tetrapeptides, Copper Tripeptides, and DMAE), Antioxidant Phytoplex™ (Olive Leaf Extract, Green Tea Leaf Extract, Red Rooibos Tea Leaf Extract, White Tea Leaf Extract, Gingko Biloba Leaf Extract, Sunflower Seed Extract, Pumpkin Seed Extract, and Rosemary Extract), Eyegen™ [Nettle Leaf Extract, Horse Chestnut Extract, Oleic Acid, Linolenic (Omega 3) Acid, and Linoleic (Omega 6) Acid], Specially Denatured Natural Grain Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Acacia Extract, Algae Extract, Lavender Extract, Goldenseal Extract, Oregano Extract, Thyme Extract, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Phenoxyethanol

Renew eye serum

Ingredients:
Ultra-Purified Water (Ultra-Distilled & De-Ionized), C-Gen™  [Stabilized L-Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Centella Asiatica Extract, Grape Seed Extract, and Olive Leaf Extract], Circlerase™ [Meadowfoam Seed Extract, Raspberry Seed Extract, Cranberry Seed Extract, Vitamin E (D-Alpha-Tocopherol, Mixed Tocopherols, Mixed Tocotrienols), beta-Sitosterol, and Rosemary Extract], Alpha & Beta Hydroxy Complex™ (Alpha Hydroxy Acids, Beta Hydroxy Acids, Vitamin B3, Vitamin B5, Tamarind Seed Extract, and Aloe Vera Gel), Specially Denatured Natural Grain Alcohol, Butylene Glycol, Acacia Extract, Algae Extract, Eucalyptus Extract, Lavender Extract, Goldenseal Extract, Oregano Extract, Thyme Extract, Phenoxyethanol

There is also a product whith alfa lipoic acidand Broad-Spectrum (UVA/UVB) Sunscreen and Vitamin E with mixted tocopherols and Tocotrienols.

Sunguard Moisturizing Complex .

Ingredients:

Ultra-Purified Water (Ultra-Distilled & De-Ionized), Natureblock™ (Zinc Oxide, Titanium Dioxide, Turmeric Extract, Licorice Extract, and Rosemary Extract), Moisturplex™ (Emu Oil, Meadowfoam Seed Oil, Raspberry Seed Oil, Cranberry Seed Oil, Hyaluronic Acid, Tamarind Seed Extract, and Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acids), Antioxidant Nutriplex™ [Hydroxyproline, Coenzyme Q10, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Vitamin A Ester (Retinyl Palmitate), Vitamin C Ester (Ascorbyl Palmitate), Vitamin E (D-Alpha-Tocopherol, Mixed Tocopherols, Mixed Tocotrienols), and Olive Leaf Extract], Soy Extract, Algae Extract, Silica, Iron Oxides, Xanthomonas campestris Extract, Ylang Ylang Essential Oil, Lavender Extract, Goldenseal Extract, Oregano Extract, Thyme Extract, Phenoxyethanol

What do you think of this product? I was very impressed about the ingredients...

Edited by glexia, 02 June 2006 - 10:20 PM.

[glexia]

Well...i have started to use the Xeridian products one week ago and my under eye dark-circles are more clear and my little acne is better than before. I´m happy with this product but i have purchased the Geronova´s Rejuv to compare both. I will keep you informed [tung]

[syr_]

Cost?

I've been recommended a cream for dark circles that is very expensive.

[glexia]

(Syr_)

Cost?

I've been recommended a cream for dark circles that is very expensive.

You can read my previous one post, just before this one. There are links for the products. They are a bit expensive, but at the moment it is the only thing that is doing something to me in my dark circles. [thumb]

[sdxl]

I don't see why I should spend a lot of money on cosmetics with ingredients that are available for very little. You even can get some of those fancy ingredients like peptides. But I rather spend it on tretinoin and sunscreen, two things that are proven to make a difference.

[kenj]

I'd question this "Xeridian" line, - while the ingredients they list are known for their "antiaging effects" (1) you don't really know if they're present in just trace amounts making the very steep price even more steep and (2) the formulation itself seems like it's still in the making (?) dependent on knowledgeable people on various boards, noticing incompatible ingredients (copper peptides with vitamin C) as well using Argireline (relaxant) for the eye area in prior formulars.
Furthermore, if you browse the various skincare boards you'll notice these isolated Xeridian "customers" popping out of nowhere claiming "very good results" from "recommendations of dermatologists". It's really not a wise approach IMO, - if you want to gain sales and a good reputation you want *full disclosure*!

This is 2006 and NOT my first year on the internet.

NOTE: I won't say the line is ineffective or harmful but I don't like their marketing ploy, it just affects their overall credibility.

[glexia]

(kenj)

I'd question this "Xeridian" line, - while the ingredients they list are known for their "antiaging effects" (1) you don't really know if they're present in just trace amounts making the very steep price even more steep and (2) the formulation itself seems like it's still in the making (?) dependent on knowledgeable people on various boards, noticing incompatible ingredients (copper peptides with vitamin C) as well using Argireline (relaxant) for the eye area in prior formulars.
Furthermore, if you browse the various skincare boards you'll notice these isolated Xeridian "customers" popping out of nowhere claiming "very good results" from "recommendations of dermatologists". It's really not a wise approach IMO, - if you want to gain sales and a good reputation you want *full disclosure*!

Yes! i have read all these post you mentioned about that people saying that the products are great ! And i also i read something about copper peptides with vitamin C: This is the link of the forum Here ther are some interesant post about the line.
A girl of that forum emailed xeridian to ask them about Copper peptides+ vit C + AHA. This is the answer:

Hi Kate, thanks for the compliment on the products. You're right
about the Vitamin C and traditional copper peptides, normally they can't be
included in the same product. Copper Gluconate and other copper compounds
normally break down around Hydroxy Acids and Vitamin C, however, we use a
Copper Amino Acid Peptide Complex, the same as discovered by Dr. Loren
Pickart who later began using them in the Procyte products and licensed
their use to Neutrogena for a few years until the patent expired in May of
2004. Sometimes these are referred to as Generation II Copper Peptides
because they are much more stable and resistant against breakdown, they
could even be used in the presence of alpha and beta hydroxy acids (though
we only include them in the daytime formula of our products). Let me know
if you have any further questions.

Sincerely,
Brian Mobley
Xeridian

Well, I have emailed Brian Mobley for some questions and he answered me to all the e-mails at once and very nicely. But what more has me pleased is the good treatment with the company, because of what it happened with my package:
I am Spanish and when i introduced my direction in the web it maybe was too long and there could be some mistake in the label and 10 days later I still was waiting for the package. I sent an email indicating it to him and he said to me that he was going to send another package at once.... 8 days later the package was in home.

I´m not very expert in if the ingredients are compatible or not ...
and also I doubted on having decided to buy them due to what you have said on these "people" that were appearing in the forums and that they were looking like they were working for the company.

I bought the product for the following thing:
It assembles in the same product: Anti-aging, anti-acne and anti-darkcircles and no colourings or any chemist ,perfume, preserving agents .... So I thought that it couldn´t be so bad either. And it really is helping me with the acne and the darkcircles.

Nonetheless I am not a person who marries anything, and though I like the product, i am waiting for Geronova´s Rejuv ,and if it is OK then I will remain with the last one that works out more economic for me. Or probably combine them ... until there appears another product of another brand that has better results. Search ... compare ... and if you find something better ... buy it! [lol] [lol]

[Athanasios]

glexia, I think kenj's concern was that there is no disclosure of how much of each ingredient there is. Sometimes they will add close to nothing of an ingredient, so they can list it as an ingredient. It will give you no benefit, but will make them money.

Then he says that those posts he read were a BAD sign. This is becuase they were obviously setup. Sometimes groups try to do that here and get BANNED with offending posts removed. If they can not be honest in advertising, how can you be sure they are honest with having the ingredients in amounts that are beneficial?

[sdxl]

Cosmetic companies don't have to disclose the amount of ingredients in their products. Some companies only disclose a percentage for a certain active ingredient. And some ingredients are regulated by the FDA and always need to be disclosed with a percentage, at least in the US.

[Athanasios]

They dont have to, so what are you going to go by? In this case, kenj brought up that this company appeared to be/was using deceitful advertising.

In logic, if all pigs can fly then anything else can be true because the whole statement is false.

[sentrysnipe]

I am not sure they don't have to but I have seen and used a lot which are labeled as proprietary blends in the past