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[DeniztheKid]

Well , Hi to all LC comunity , im 9 months in withdrawal, some time ago i was willing to take micro doses of dmt or shrooms  even iboga, but on that time i decided to whait ,im still willing to take it, so i was waiting clean until some days ago, some days ago i started to take lyrica

 

   So for you guys to know  some days ago prior to lyrica i was housebond , all my simptoms was leading to anxiety and makng me agoraphobic i was feeling derealization , disassociation , uneasy felling , inner anxiety , could not step out the door , and if i did i would feel very bad outside with inner anxiety  very sensitie to anything , air headed, floating head or whatever , without focus on anything , and i would make all i needed to do as quick as i can to return home . couldnt talk right , couldnt even think right , besides of fatigue and cognitive simptoms. that makes you more anxious

 

So i decided to take lyrica some days ago , It made all my simptoms decrease of level , i can talk right now  , i cant think somehow better , the agoraphobia is manageable and i cant step out the door to do something , and i dont feel so fatigue , but the depression feeling remain.

 

What im scared is , lyrica is masking my simptoms so i cant feel if im recovering in any aspects, and it would be ok if it be only masking it , if my receptors would still be recovering while on it, but my fear is if lyrica would stop me from healing if it would stop me from healing , this is making me so aprehensive. When i take lyrica the effects is like if i was in a benzo , so it comes to my mind , how im going to work like that , how im going to work in that state influenced by lyrica ? the sameway i was thinkng how im going to work high on benzos ? Im very aprehensive of be screwing my recovery taking lyrica.

 

As i know , lyrica dont act binding in any receptors , so this lead me to think its safe, and maybe would only extend the time of withdrawal but making it easier to handle, LC is a really wise and wide comunity, so i would really apreciate your toughts on it im very aprehensive , plz help a friend in need

[medievil]

You can take a benzo, diazepam or clonazepam for a week and youll withdrawal from the med without any issues, im not 100% sure but it works for phenibut which works in a simular fashion, ill try to find some anecdotes.

 

What have you been 9 months in withdrawal for?

 

If lyrica causes too much cognitive impairment for your job, there should be some nootropics out there that help, im just unsure what recovery your talking about you fear it would inhibit?

[gamesguru]

lyric is off-label depression, on-label fibromyalgia and epilepsy

which symptoms have been more debilitating, the brainfog/agoraphobia or the depression (not fixed)?

you might consider dropping lyrica for an ssir or herbal antidepressants.

[DeniztheKid]

Medievil , i cant take those , because im 9 months withdrawing or recovering from them mate , it has been very difficult

 

gameguru, Lyrica lifted all symptoms in  a way, it lifted the depression , the brain fog, and the agoraphobia , made me talk right as i was not making to talk with fluence , but i cant be not depressed with my gabargic receptors screwed , and witl all that is going on with my life because of the use of benzos.

i was almost not making out of home without lyrica , if i did , i would feel pretty bad on the streets .

 

what im so afraid is, of lyrica to be harming my recovery. If it was only masking my simptoms but in the same hand i keep recovering from my damaged receptors , it would be ok.

But if im just kindling more my receptors , screwing my recovery this would be too bad for me , im 9 months off benzodiazepines.

 

i know that lyrica "kills" the exess of glutamate , and regulates the transmission of exitatory signaling beetwen nervous cells/neurons , But if lyrica messes with GABA A receptors i would be harming my recovery and so i would never recover taking it that is what makes me so afraid and aprehensive mates

 

Edit : By the way, lyrica makes me feel like if i was taking a benzo , and it makes me think like , i cant finish university feeling like this, the same way when i on benzos , while i was benzos it would make me think the same way , i cant finish nothing beein dependent of that stuff , i couldnt compromise me with nothing beein high on a drug like benzodiazepines, and the effects of lyrica makes me feel something like the effects of benzo

 

I was trying to post some external links of the pharmacology of benzodiazepines , and some studies about the pharmacology of lyrica but i cant , copy and paste is not working for me

 

 

Edited by DeniztheKid, 29 February 2016 - 09:41 PM.

[Galaxyshock]

Lyrica does not interact with GABA-A so it shouldn't hinder recovery in that regard. However long-term it can have withdrawals of its own. Have you tried herbal GABAergics such as Ashwagandha or Gotu Kola? Gotu Kola for example only works on GABA-B and increases GAD which leads to more available GABA. Never have withdrawal issues with these herbs, both also have cognition enhancing qualities.

[DeniztheKid]

Galaxyshock , never tried , its great that ur providing that indo of Lyrica for me , because YK, its been very bad , i couldnt even get out of home , so you can imagine how bad it was without the aid of lyrica , i think i could handle the withdrawal of lyrica if it helps me to cope with the benzo one , and  from what im seeing around the forums Lyrica WD cant compare with the withdrawal from benzodiazepines

 

Hey gameguru i will send you a message , maybe you can help me in a way with dmt , for microdose , i have some compounds here , we have talked about that many time ago , something like almost 9 months ago.

 

About ashwadanga , and other herbs and supplements , im having a discussion about it on another forum  , its like , benzodiazepines acts binding to gabaergic receptors ,and increasing the efficiency of synaptic transmission,  at the end it hiperpolarizes the neron , making it let excitable  , so after months ot years it downregulates the receptor , so what i wonder is , would natural things such ashwadanga , interact with the receptor in the same way ? because from what i know ashwadanga binds on the receptor is a GABA-A agonist , and gaba mimetic , i dont know deep what means the 2 said prior , soon as i rest a bit i will make to find something that explains good those 2 , eitherway , i wonder if because of it binding on the reeptor and doing what it needs for it to work , would harm more the receptor , that way it would be not good for the recovery , its important to me or to whoever is dealing with that shi...t you know mate , thats why i need help to braeak this into pieces to understand , if such a herb would not interfer or if it would do bad , helpe me mate , im kinda needing , is too much info for me to deal on the moment i am.

 

EDIT : Hey LG , im wondering if i could have more toughts on the lyrica subject

 

Galaxy shock thank you for the hint on gotu kola , sure that i will take a look on it ! i have a list here from another website , i wonder why im not able to copy and paste things anyone know why ?

 

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Edited by DeniztheKid, 01 March 2016 - 04:27 AM.

[protoject]

DeniztheKid , I have experience and knowledge with the things you speak about. My personal opinion is that Pregabalin (Lyrica) is an amazing option for Benzo withdrawal. It will not affect your GABA receptors negatively. It is my opinion that herbal gabaergics suck bad for withdrawals and usually they have side effects based on their other pharmacological effects. Your mileage will vary for sure but all I know is that when I was (or wasn't) coming off of benzos, and i used Ashwaghanda or Bacopa, the stuff has its own effects on your brain and can make you feel messed up if you are trying to recover , while at the same time barely affecting your withdrawal.  I really do think pregabalin (Lyrica) is the better option. This will have side effects too , for sure. For me though, I never really experienced any withdrawals from pregabalin itself. The main issue will be tolerance to pregabalin and also some cognitive side effects, such as forgetting things , not being able to form sentences, maybe feeling a bit stupid or may even affect your mood negatively. However it also numbs you and slows you down and helps with the withdrawal effects.

I've been using pregabalin for a few years now and have used it for coming off of benzos as well and it does work well. Pregabalin also works very consistently. Sure, if I take 150 mg now, i don't feel some effects nearly as much as I did a couple years ago, however some of its therepeutic effects still remain. This is a huge staple in my sleep stack (I'm a hardcore insomniac). If you do choose to use pregabalin to stop benzo withdrawals, I recommend only dosing the pregabalin once per day- at bed time or maybe a few hours before bed time if you want. Pregabalin's effects last long enough so that you can use it that way, and if you use it once a day it should prevent further tolerance. I hope that helps. Keep in mind I'm not a doctor and my opinion is not a professional one, I'm just sharing my experience.. Always consult your doctor if in doubt.
 

[DeniztheKid]

 I wonder why im not beeing able to copy and paste things here to share (?)

 

DeniztheKid , I have experience and knowledge with the things you speak about. My personal opinion is that Pregabalin (Lyrica) is an amazing option for Benzo withdrawal. It will not affect your GABA receptors negatively. It is my opinion that herbal gabaergics suck bad for withdrawals and usually they have side effects based on their other pharmacological effects. Your mileage will vary for sure but all I know is that when I was (or wasn't) coming off of benzos, and i used Ashwaghanda or Bacopa, the stuff has its own effects on your brain and can make you feel messed up if you are trying to recover , while at the same time barely affecting your withdrawal.  I really do think pregabalin (Lyrica) is the better option. This will have side effects too , for sure. For me though, I never really experienced any withdrawals from pregabalin itself. The main issue will be tolerance to pregabalin and also some cognitive side effects, such as forgetting things , not being able to form sentences, maybe feeling a bit stupid or may even affect your mood negatively. However it also numbs you and slows you down and helps with the withdrawal effects.

I've been using pregabalin for a few years now and have used it for coming off of benzos as well and it does work well. Pregabalin also works very consistently. Sure, if I take 150 mg now, i don't feel some effects nearly as much as I did a couple years ago, however some of its therepeutic effects still remain. This is a huge staple in my sleep stack (I'm a hardcore insomniac). If you do choose to use pregabalin to stop benzo withdrawals, I recommend only dosing the pregabalin once per day- at bed time or maybe a few hours before bed time if you want. Pregabalin's effects last long enough so that you can use it that way, and if you use it once a day it should prevent further tolerance. I hope that helps. Keep in mind I'm not a doctor and my opinion is not a professional one, I'm just sharing my experience.. Always consult your doctor if in doubt.
 

 

protoject , yea Pregabalin is making all my simptoms to be much more easier , so i can go out of home , while i couldnt before it , i already take it once a day .in fact of dosage , 150 mg did nothing for me , i started at 150 mg doing nothing i increased to 300 , and it still did not helo much  , when i reach 450 mg it helped somehow , and so i got into 600 mg . in a single dose at morning to go trough the day , is too much i know , but is the only dosage that easy my mental simptoms., about sentences , i couldnt make senteces in a good way prior (Lyrica) my talking skills , and thinking skills where very messed up , i think when i was going to make a sentece a storm of signaling would happen in my brain so i would lock almost .

 

. yea my mood , im still depress , (lyrica) makes the anxiety that i feel because all of the mental simptoms bringed by WD be much more easier to handle;  but my life still very messed up , there is no way of not beein depressed , and all this WD thing must affect to much the other neurotransmitters besides the gaba receptors  , all the nervous system must be messed up ; i have no problems to sleep , so i take nothing prior to sleep .

 

about herbs , like bacopa , its says it upregulates gaba receptors , like many other herbs do many other things , i think my CNS is already very messed up and sensitized, so anything i put inside it kinda revs me up , even vitamins and minerals , it says that bacopa acts agonist of 5ht-idontremeberthenumber agonist, like a medication, in a very sensitive CNS i can understand , it can end making you feel more messed up i know; but maybe for some it do good (??) maybe it helps someone i dk , only trying to know .

 

your experiences or your toughts are welcome anytime

 

 

Edited by DeniztheKid, 03 March 2016 - 01:52 PM.

[protoject]

Awesome, glad to hear you are getting good effects from that dosage of pregabalin. Strangely enough I find the benefits of pregabalin decrease as i take the dosage upwards too high. I have been on 450-600 before but that didn't last long because it seemed to increase effects that I didn't like while decreasing the effects that I wanted.   I am only 130 lbs though which could have something to do with it but I'm not sure.

 

I wish I was like those people who take 600 mg and feel great. I've seen some reports where people are saying it killed their anxiety and depression. That'd be awesome. I hope some new , better chemical cousins for pregabalin will be available some time soon.

[DeniztheKid]

i understand bro , in fact , i think that lyrica killed their anxiety , the depression of those who felt great on it , probably lifted because they started to living life again , i cant be not depress because im not back to life , im still withdrawing , llost my work at a drug store , stopped school , got away from friends , stoping that shit got me reckt , i need to get over it , i sent you a pm  , thanks for passin by here ..

[DeniztheKid]

Hi my friends from LC , i want to give a update of how things are going for me , Some info to people that are going trought the same 

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Im now 10 or 11 months off benzodiazepines , and im still In PAWS and my brain is recovering from it

  Im currently taking 450 mg , maybe 600 mg  of pregabalin everyday to handle all the symptoms from the benzodiazepine descontinuation

 

  Bad news , i didnt had major problems sleeping before, while tapering and jumping off the use of B .. I had some mild problems with sleep, but after 4 months off , my sleep patern was very good and i didnt had problems at all sleeping, i could sleep all night 8 to 10 hours , and sleep some more at the noon with no P..

 

  Now if i do not take my dose of lyrica i cant sleep at night , i can stay in bed all night without sleep , same the other day i will only sleep if i take it. This is not Good : (

 

  Plus , If i do not take the pregabalin , Frst  thing i start to feel is a drop of all motivation, I link this with the depression i got from the wd. In time the symptoms linked to the WD of benzos will start to show up. I noticed that it begins with a little disconfort to think and speak with others, My thoughs starts to slutter,i  loose sharpness of thoughs and the same happens with my speaking skills, so when i notice that, i get some anxiety from the situation

 

  Like if im on the phone suddenly i notice what i told above while im speaking with a person and when i notice that this is happening i get anxious. This is something that i Link with cognition problems because of the descontinuation of benzodiazepines  , I hope that this get better with time recovering of the abusive use of them.

 

   In time without taking it(pregabalin) , i feel little by little the effects of the PAWS OF B returning , How do i know if this is linked to depression and anxiety, or if its linked to B WD ?  Well IDK. But i belive that its because i still have a long road recovering

 

 i didnt have this before medication, In fact i didnt had any anxiety or depression before medications , so i belive that im still recovering from the abuse. And i hope that in time i would be able to drop litle by little the dosage of pregabalin and feel ok again taking nothing . 

 

 

 I will keep the pregabalin  , because i cant handle the symptoms of the PAWS from benzos without it yet.

 

OBS

 

   Im waiting for my money came in next month to be able to buy some supplements to help with my mood and anxyety , and to help With my health overall,

 

For  9 months i was housebond just eating, smoking cancer sticks, and sleeping, At the 9 month mark , Pregabaling made me feel ok to go outside and do whatever.

i developed some weight, Weird that all the weight(fat) that i gained went mostly to around my belly area,(something linked to inbalance of cortisol because of the WD)

 

so im looking weird, And beside exercises i Feel like i need some suplements to take care of my health if you have any sugestions ur welcome my friend

 

For instance im going with some ginseng root , curcumin And i need to choose a nootropic , i dk what nootropic i should try first. If you can sugest one i would apreciate.

 

Thank you all for comming by, i will keep updating 

[Kinesis]

Sounds like you've just about got this figured out yourself, Den. Why not continue taking the pregabalin for now and use the time to rebuild your health. Get on top of your diet, exercise and rest, take a multi, turmeric, maybe some green tea, ginseng or rhodiola. Then once you've got your strength back then look at tapering off the pregabalin.

[Major Legend]

Lyrica is perfect for Benzo withdrawal I concur from experience.