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[Ark]

hmm, what are you selling, because you are not preaching to the choir here on this site?

I'm selling you your health at the cost of your addictive habits. When people are taking more drugs than a 90 year old, there is a problem. Unfortunately most people will not drop their drugs instantly. I know a percentage of this forum is trying to fix a problem, but not everybody is. There are people,like lostfalco, with normal brains trying to push it to the limit until something gets damaged. Lostfalco has said he is not trying to fix anything with nootropics. He is playing with dangerous chemicals until he gets permanently hurt.

Your being silly again.

[1jol1uvcaaq]

 

 

hmm, what are you selling, because you are not preaching to the choir here on this site?

I'm selling you your health at the cost of your addictive habits. When people are taking more drugs than a 90 year old, there is a problem. Unfortunately most people will not drop their drugs instantly. I know a percentage of this forum is trying to fix a problem, but not everybody is. There are people,like lostfalco, with normal brains trying to push it to the limit until something gets damaged. Lostfalco has said he is not trying to fix anything with nootropics. He is playing with dangerous chemicals until he gets permanently hurt.

Your being silly again.

 

I'm only repeating my same message over and over again. If this thread stops just one person from avoiding drugs, this will have been a success. Hopefull that person is you, who are reading this right now. Yes, you! Read the horror stories of nootropics and drugs on longecity.

[Ark]

hmm, what are you selling, because you are not preaching to the choir here on this site?

I'm selling you your health at the cost of your addictive habits. When people are taking more drugs than a 90 year old, there is a problem. Unfortunately most people will not drop their drugs instantly. I know a percentage of this forum is trying to fix a problem, but not everybody is. There are people,like lostfalco, with normal brains trying to push it to the limit until something gets damaged. Lostfalco has said he is not trying to fix anything with nootropics. He is playing with dangerous chemicals until he gets permanently hurt.

Your being silly again.

I'm only repeating my same message over and over again. If this thread stops just one person from avoiding drugs, this will have been a success. Hopefull that person is you, who are reading this right now. Yes, you! Read the horror stories of nootropics and drugs on longecity.

Are you big time into, Dora the explorer?

Is your favorite game musical chairs, and would you consider yourself a celebrity in the global musical chairs scene?

Edited by Ark, 13 March 2016 - 04:07 AM.

[Bluecheer]

Its human nature to excel ; IE Evolution, don't try to push people away from it because of your own fears of mortality. If people such as lostfalco would like to push his brains to the boundaries as you say... Why is it your place to tell him not too, If you actually feel so strongly about this maybe you should reach out to people individually but I doubt anybody will take this thread with any real amount of thought ... sorry.


although I am curious what brought this on, have you had negative side effects due to some sort of nootropic? please enlighten me.

Edited by Bluecheer, 21 March 2016 - 04:32 AM.

[1jol1uvcaaq]

Its human nature to excel ; IE Evolution, don't try to push people away from it because of your own fears of mortality. If people such as lostfalco would like to push his brains to the boundaries as you say... Why is it your place to tell him not too, If you actually feel so strongly about this maybe you should reach out to people individually but I doubt anybody will take this thread with any real amount of thought ... sorry.


although I am curious what brought this on, have you had negative side effects due to some sort of nootropic? please enlighten me.

I can communicate to thousands of people in the present and the future this way. It may be a bit ineffective because of the group-think on this site, but I could save many people. I plan to organize with people who have experienced nootropic damage.
 We constantly have these posts(http://www.longecity...ical-castration) on longecity, but if we could get one thread where everybody posts their side effects, that may make it more clear to people. I don't know why people ignore these warnings. Nootropics are an endless journey of side effects.

[pamojja]

I don't know why people ignore these warnings. Nootropics are an endless journey of side effects.

 

I've tried some of the nootropics, like so many other without any negative side-effect. But the positives not that much either worth the ongoing efforts.

 

Guess most here differentiate between nootropics on the one hand -, and stimulants or psychopharmaceuticals on the other. I think you're mixing these two up is the most dangerous thing.

 

I remember in my youth I was warned the hemp would be as dangerous as heroin. Then it becomes only logical after trying hemp and finding it in really harmless, to also try heroin - with all its tire consequences. Even today some would want to convince me, that hemp would cause schizophrenia in many of their clients - without differentiating a possible cause with a much more likely mere association with self-medication.

 

Due to a failing medical system, when it comes to chronic conditions, self-medication has become the norm. Just because self-medicates would try anything: vitamins, minerals, amino acids, meditation, nootropics, alcohol, stimulants, psychopharmaceuticals or research chemicals and methods - it does no good at all to not differentiate in each individual case or substance/method.

 

 

Once I did a lot of rigorous 10-day vipassana retreats. Though they really helped me, I also observed quite a few who right after such a first retreat ended up in a mental hospital and/or medication. Same here, there must have been vulnerabilities and the attempt to self-medicate with retreats. Otherwise everyone (especially me, who ended up practicing 2 years in a Buddhist monastery) would have become schizophrenic and on medication. Which is not the case at all, just as with nootropics.

 

 

And it would be just as silly to title a thread like yours:

 

Top Importance - Meditation Damage [WARNING] To All Users

 

 

..because most are helped with Meditation and real Nootropics - but with a very few there is a association with damage, also associated with other vulnerabilities not sorted out.

 

 

I the case of meditation it would be responsible to screen for such vulnerabilities beforehand by those organizing.

And real nootropics should be clearly differentiated from psychopharmaceuticals with bad side-effects.

Edited by pamojja, 27 March 2016 - 12:05 PM.

[John Schlongfellow]

Doesn't pray = troll?

Maybe that's just the other forums I frequent but this seems to be a stealth "Jesus loves you but if you do drugs he'll kill you (in his mercy)" type thread.

Man this sucker'd be locked so fast.......

 

"Group think on this site" ??? Really??? That's the whole point of this site!

 

 

 

Thank you and I'll now return to lurk status.

Edited by John Schlongfellow, 29 March 2016 - 12:04 PM.

[Ark]

Please stay away from cars. They are very dangerous. People are suffering WHIP LASH from cars. cars can damage your brain, and in some cases these side effects are permanent. Side effects users are experiencing are headaches, tinnitus, fatigue and weaked immune system. Please quit your petrol addiction!

http://www.longecity...ls/#entry765244

This is one of the latest longecity user suffering from whip lash damage. We have to pray for him.

http://www.longecity...ic-experiments/

Users like these MUST be stopped. They are junkies using cars for no purpose other than to go fast. I do not mean to offend him. He has obviously suffered traumas to cause him to need to use the hov lane without a buddy, to cure his (non-clinical/)need for speed. I feel sorry for people like that. They are no better than my friends who abuse mopeds, motortriks, quads, and motorcycles. It's scary, but I hope he does not suffer permanent bend in his neck like the damage others have.
CARS ARE NOT TO BE PLAYED WITH LIKE TEDDY BEARS

http://www.bluelight...p/t-289693.html

They have dangerous side effects. I know I have posted a lot about damage to ones bullux. They're posts everywhere on longecity about engine complaints and about horns getting stuck after being pressed once. Many of you still won't listen. This is to prevent at least one person from getting a license and being able to drive a car.  You do not need cars to live your life. If you think you do, you need to change something!

 

Edit: I made this post because it is very depressing reading threads where people suffering from lap belt damage, when they had none to begin with before beginning driving cars.

Edited by Ark, 30 March 2016 - 08:13 AM.

[pamojja]

Please stay away from cars. They are very dangerous.

 

Would be funny, if not so true:

 

 

The Global status report on road safety 2015, reflecting information from 180 countries, indicates that worldwide the total number of road traffic deaths has plateaued at 1.25 million per year, ..

 

[Ark]

I'm sure ambulances save more lives a year, than all the car related accidents deaths and injuries around the world, and that's just once way cars save lives.

Edited by Ark, 30 March 2016 - 01:30 PM.

[sthira]

Please stay away from cats. They are very dangerous. People are suffering NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE from CATS. Cats alter your brain, and in some cases these side effects are permanent. Side effects fro playing with kittens are headaches, tinnitus, fatigue and weaked immune system. Please quit your crazy cat addiction!

https://i.imgflip.com/c5dy2.jpg

This is one of the latest cats causing human damage. We have to pray for him.

Cats like these MUST be stopped. They are junkies using HUMAN BEINGS for no purpose other than to get high. I do not mean to offend him. He has obviously suffered traumas to cause him to need to use KITTENS to cure his (non-clinical/)depression. I feel sorry for people like that. They are no better than my friends who abuse LSD, heroin, alcohol, and weed. It's scary, but I hope he does not suffer permanent KITTY damage like others have.
CATS ARE NOT TO BE PLAYED WITH LIKE CANDIES!

http://cdn.earthporm...ath-10__605.jpg

They have dangerous side effects. I know I have posted a lot about cat damage. There are posts everywhere on longecity about cat and kitty complaints. Many of you still won't listen. This is to prevent at least one person from experiencing horrible feline damage. You do not need these demonic animals to ruin your life. If you think you do, you need to change something!

Edit: I made this thread because it is very depressing reading threads where people suffer neurological damage, when they had none to begin with before beginning relationships with cats.

[LongingCity]

Anyone owning cats is a danger to public health and must be stopped!

 

#stoptgondii

[Multivitz]

Drugs don't add anything to our bodies. They stimulate, then leave their residues for the parasites. If one wants to hang on to the memory of the stimulation for some token of comfort, then thats like the logic of an addict. Foolhardy, ideologic, and unable to see one's own motivational logic that guides the decision making process to do drugs.
It's about building blocks of nutrition and herbs, not strong stimulation. Extending one's capacity of an emotion is great, but the balance is only obtained when something can fill the nutrient stores up after the emotional use.
Our atmosphere nitrates things, the Sulfur has been reduced from our food chain on purpose, Silica has dropped, heavy metals are abundant around us, GMO foods are poison and caused the mad cow disease when the GMO oil was added to the cattles food (there's no virus), etc. So, do we address the missing minerals? Avoid the crap? Seek escapism? Give incomplete advice? Worry about it? Increase our Methylation? Breath slower? Sun stare? Respect the concept of freedom?
The only reason for any concern would be if one could EXPERIENCE a substance and find it to be personally negative. That is the logic of independence, a person who wants to find things out for themselves. Of course, INTRADEPENDANCE is far superior to independence, and the progressive result of mental maturity.
Knowledge is a vibration, if you don't get it, seek help and ask for someone to explain it. If you're not feeling curious, how will you ask the questions that matter. The Trivium is just commen sense applied in a logical order to create familiarity.
Drugs are only for those who don't know any better, or have had others educate them. When someone says 'there's a better way', maybe their familiarity is greater that yours.....just sayin'

[Multivitz]

Oh NO! A cat just walked across my path, I hope the Gondii don't get me! Quick, erradicate everything in the world that has microbes on it, so my pretend immune system is not weakened. Oh No! The ocean of microbes is entering my lungs help. What is vitamin E, how does Selenium work, am I anaerobic, what's a parasite, does MSM work, do I only have to believe in someone who has more money that me, if seriousness is truth, will candidness be lies? Will vaccines cause my body to run out of precious Sulfur aminos that take years to accumulate on a corporative derived diet?
Cats are GMO, ask any Pharaoh!

[bijao~]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Your claim that all noots are "damaging", "addictive", and "dangerous" certainly qualifies as extraordinary in my book, considering the definition of a noot, and the hundreds of thousands of positive experiences documented on this forum, that individuals have had with them.

You are clearly capable of navigating the internet, the greatest resource in history.

Use it, and come back with some studies suggesting that all noots are bad, instead of this utterly meaningless blather, and you might spawn a fruitful discussion.

 

Also, it is generally not wise to brush off reasonable replies, of those you are trying to convert no less, as the ravings of "addicts".

But, then again, fallacies are the backbone of religion.

 

Carry on.

 

 

Edited by bijao~, 20 July 2016 - 06:01 PM.

[gamesguru]

Virtually always somebody will react badly to a medicine, thus in the clinical setting, case studies will eventually crop up.  And certain nootropics are certainly safer (or more dangerous) than others (generally). But on the whole, I'm inclined to the view that most are good.

[Multivitz]

Well theres a difference between a drug and concentrated food, thats all I'm saying. A stimulant reacts then leaves something constructive behind. A drug is often far too imbalancing in it's effects and leaves nothing but unusable acidic waste behind.
The history and molecular memory of a substance is as important as it's pathology. A lot of the times we see corporatist propaganda driven nootropic users just go for the effect. Where as in reality all the user is doing is draining nutrients from themselves. It may take one day to get a deficiency symptom, or as I have found, up to fifteen years. When a user gets ' switched on' the capacity of concentration inspires endeavours into the nootropic practice to find a longer lasting stack. Everyones body works the same, but in different balances. You can personalise the balances, but it all depends on what physiological level the noops are playing at. To how long the personal performance last.
I found out early on that the ego wants gratification from suppements. The ego is exercised in youth to build emotional capacity. If the negative emotions are allowed to dominate, then ones ego creates character flaws, that in turn, leads to one being susceptible to manipulation by other negative egos. Just like a pusher?
There are few drugs that compare to food, and if the food is strong, imbalance will occure, thats all I'm saying here. Drugs are not the way forward for man, long term experience tells us this. Safer stimulants work, for as long as you fuel the co nutrients. Even then long term health preservation is comprised imho.
We are living in a Nitrogen rich atmosphere, it ain't good. One should deal with that first ie understand it's implications to all biology.

[gamesguru]

Fascinating. Where did you learn all this? Especially the bit about only stimulants being safe.

[Multivitz]

'The ravings of addicts', quite. The 20% of users that report no improvement are the ones who will not respond because of a whole plethora of reasons. Reasons the pushers have no idea about, not a clue. A Zen master of old would not had access to noots, but they are very accomplished people. For those who are news(ten years or less) to this and think they know best, there is an established system of supplements for the brain that works long term. The nootropics are helping people. It is the poor egos that blinker people to the fallacies of their dietry supplements/stimulants! The body gives true reward when balance is restored. One will have difficulty recognising this true feeling of reward, for it is the fuel of guidance. Keep calm and...

Edited by Multivitz, 21 July 2016 - 01:58 AM.

[Multivitz]

Fascinating. Where did you learn all this? Especially the bit about only stimulants being safe.

A slap is a stimulant, as is focusing your attention to it and its effects throughout the sympathetic nervous system. Drug stimulants often attack the body by stingent means causing the body to counteract with, often, precious nutrients that are shared with other nutrient pathways, hence the side effects?
MSM is a stimulant, work your way up to an ounce a day, it's safe, don't forget the water

[Multivitz]

@Gamesguru would you improve your comprehension skills? Lifes complicated, blame nitrogen? No serioisly....don't play the blame game, it's yin.

[Multivitz]

I agree that most noots are constructive and helpful. Finding correct application, suppling co nutrients, is an art, long term success is restricted to the fortunate. There are people who can help most people get better, you have to ask for them (in your head, out loud, with conviction, in honesty?)

Being arrogant about a something for twenty years then finding out you were wrong.....how would you feel. Would you have the grace to accept, or brush it under the carpet and carry on? Please don't confuse confidence with arrogance.