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[gecko22]

well i tried idebenone the other morning with my usual stack:
GNC mega mens multivitamin
1G fish oil
1G CLA
1.4G Piracetam
300mg A-GPC
200mg Pyritinol
600mg green tea powder
50mg CoQ10

Then in afternoon:
1G fish oil
Multivitamin
700-1400mg Piracetam
1G CLA
300mg A-GPC
200mg Pyritinol
600mg green tea powder

Before Gym:
Dymatize Xpand
1G ALCAR
200mg R-ALA
1G L-Tyrosine


well anyways when i added the idebenone(50mg) i felt kinda messed up, i would just zone out and start daydreaming, my head felt kind of sleepy, and i was forgetting little things that i normally wouldnt forget just due to the fact that my mind was off someplace else most of the time, about 5 or 6 hours later i drank a few cups of coffee to wake me up and i felt the effects seem to go away, this was all while i was at work so it was kinda shitty, anyone else had this kind of experience?

[rfarris]

Maybe. Let me think about it.

[mitkat]

I've noticed no differences since adding idebenone to my stack, and I've been on it for just over a month, between 50-75mg a day. I've only breaked for 4 days in that period. I thought I was a bit woozed at first, and that may have been, but I just chalked it up to having a weird day.

[rfarris]

Ok, I've thought about it now, and I think it might be right. Not long ago I had a job interview over the phone. To be sure that I would show well I popped in a shot of the sublingual idebenone that I have on my desk.

I was so foggy when they called that I couldn't answer their first question -- "Tell me about the first project on your interview."

I never connected that to the idebenone, but I seem to remember another situation that happened before that. Shortly thereafter I ran out of idebenone and since then I haven't had a bad fog day like that.

I've got some idebenone in the mail; I'll try an experiment and report my results.

Could it be related to the amount used? I always used an entire eye-dropper full of that stuff. I think that's a lot. (One of the reasons I've changed over to pills vs liquid.)

[gecko22]

hmmm, yeah thats the thing, i have the MX-50 scale so i measured it accurately to 50mg of powder, and i DEFINITELY could tell that it was the idebenone that was making me feel funny.

[liorrh]

I don't think I ever got that. can you be more specific as to the effects felt?

[rfarris]

How more specific can one be than "fuzzy" or "funny?" How would you describe the effects you get?

[gecko22]

well, i am usually tired in the mornings but that night i got a good 6-7 hours sleep which is good for me when i go onto dayshift, so i cant blame it on being tired, but my head felt really spacey, when i tried to concentrate on something i noticed that it was almost too concentrated, like if i was thinking about something, if people were talking around me, i wouldnt even hear them while my train of thought was going inside my head, then a few seconds later i would snap out of it, and it happened LOTS that morning, and at my job i operate large equipment and take readings and such, and when i was doing my rounds at work, i would forget to finish little procedures and do other things just because my mind was always thinking about something else it seems, more or less i had a tough time thinking about what i was actually doing or what was actually going on around me because my train of thought was always running through my head, it cleared up about 5-6 hours later and after i had a couple cups of coffee around noon.

[xanadu]

Idebenone seems to be a stimulant to me. It made it hard to sleep.

[purerealm]

Ummm, so everyone has bad experiences with idebenone huh?

[mitkat]

Yeah, pretty much. I felt no change really whatsoever after several months of use, even at approx. 70-75mg in a piracteam pill. I discontinued using it when my R-ALA ran out. I might start up using it again, I still do have about 20grams for nootrition.com, but after it's gone, it's gone for good.

[meatwad]

First day I took idebenone I got a headache. This was with a relatively large amount, 45 mg. I took apart a capsule and had a tiny amount every day for the next week.

I'm up to 200mg or so a day now and I don't get headaches.

I believe the reason I had a headache was due to low brain oxygen levels. I still believe this even though after typing it out it sounds like crock, but yes, it was definately due to low brain oxygen levels!

[scottl]

I believe the reason I had a headache was due to low brain oxygen levels.

and you know this how?

[nebben]

What is positive about idebenone?

Edited by nebben, 18 January 2006 - 03:23 PM.

[meatwad]

I believe the reason I had a headache was due to low brain oxygen levels.

and you know this how?

Because I did a PET scan and it measured the glucose levels in my brain afterwards?
[wis]

A chinese riddle! I hadn't exercised in awhile, and perhaps I had switched over to
anaerobic respiration, and the idebenone began quelching some of the free radicals
it was producing. All subjective. After exercising the headache went away.

/Subjective.

[mitkat]

You rock, meatwad. So you're at 200mg still? I never had any luck with the stuff, but I'm glad you are. Do you take any vasodilating drugs to help supply oxygen to the brain?


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