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#1 brokenportal

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Posted 11 December 2005 - 04:55 AM

To what degree do you think that aging orientated scientists, gerentologists etc.. arent so ready to jump on board a faster moving anti aging platform like SENS because they want to be the pioneer and take more credit for themselves?

Im not saying that is the case, but it occured to me and Im wondering what other people think or what all may have been said about that.


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Posted 11 December 2005 - 06:29 AM

A degree similar to that experienced by employees who may know that there are better ways of doing things but are inhibited from acting by bureaucracy and the fear of compromising their careers.

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Posted 11 December 2005 - 06:44 AM

You don't think they are afraid of associating with SENS because they dont want all of their work to be over shadowed by it, and their credit to be given to SENS and maybe feel like they are assistants rather than the tops of their particular fields and stuff like that? But rather more because they are afraid to leave their comfort zones, afraid to take the risk of opening their lives up to a larger more potential filled comfort zones?

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Posted 11 December 2005 - 10:45 PM

As far as I can tell, there are no 'little steps, little proofs' in SENS, so there is no way for someone to do anything with the budgets they have.

Scientists have to justify their budgets, and it's a slow process. They don't endorse it, because they can't do anything about it.

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Posted 12 December 2005 - 09:07 PM

I am curious why gates and others who hold massive wealth do not participate in giving to research for this purpose [huh] Gates recently gave 175mil [:o] to malaria research in africa, according to aubrey that is 17.5% of the 10 year budget of 1billion for the SENS proposal.

When it is in vogue, which it will be in the coming years, to donate money for this purpose then all the eccentric billionaires will come out of the woodwork to make themselves look important and all for the defeat of death, unfortunately, there are very few truly unorthodox billionaires who would at this time participate in such radical research.Branson is one of the ones who might be persuaded to allocate funds.
The other possibility is gates because of his profound respect for kurzweils expertise in this arena. Even 100mil is a helluva good start [thumb] Then all the scientists who fear career disenfranchisement and other trivial matters can rest easy, it's popular, just jump on the bandwagon.....or get the hell out of the way.

Making this type of research acceptable to society is already happening, it's becoming more thematically popular in the movies and other forms of mass amusement, it is being discussed openly in widely read publications, and when stem cells enter the clinical arena on a massive scale, it will be shortly thereafter that society openly discusses the feasibility of radical life extension. I think rejuvenation is the key, once people see the horrible effects of aging actually reversed [:o],( at least partially) thier eyes will be opened to other possibilities.
And the widespread belief that aging is inevitable will be questioned.


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Posted 12 December 2005 - 11:56 PM

Until a definitive business plan on precisely how such funds would be utilized that is backed by peer reviewed science able to stand the scrutiny of non-"Immortalists" and with highly defined endpoints or return on investment -- and remember that high wealth individuals rely on the advice of their highly paid specialists who are unlikely to be Mprize donors or Imminst denizens -- there is very little chance of participation. There are established scientists with Professorial tenure working in classical research who still have a great challenge when it comes to securing sufficient funding for their projects.

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