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#1 JonesGuy

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 11:26 PM


I'm creating an article about legalising stem cell cloning in Canada, because we all need advances in this technology. If you have any questions, comments, feedback, hints ... I really need them here. This document has to be iron-clad before I can move forward, and I think we'll all benefit from whatever effort you put into this.

Definitions I need to clarify further below:
SCNT: The combining of an 'empty' egg with DNA from a donor. Making a clone cell.
ESC: A cell that is similar in function to a cell derived from an embryo. There is more than one way to get an ESC however. An ESC can become any cell in the human body
hESC: a embryonic stem cell made from a human.
Somatic: a cell taken from a 'normal' part of the body (ie, skin, liver, hair root). It contains the DNA of the person.
Gamete: a reproductive cell (ie, sperm or egg)
Autologous: an identical genetic match
Dedifferentiation: the process of making a cell 'more like' an embryo.

Any other definitions I should include for the reader?


My specific intention:

I believe that denying a woman the right to create an SCNT ESC line of herself is a violation of her rights as legislated in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms . The denial of these rights is documented in the Assisted Human Reproduction Act.
- specific violations include:
- gametes cannot be donated unless they are no longer needed for reproductive uses
- SCNT clones cannot be created, even for research into autologous therapies
- a woman cannot receive compensation for donating her gametes
The reason why I am focusing on a woman's right to autologous SCNT clone creation is because I believe this prevention represents the greatest violation of rights in the Act.

This article assumes that you know what SCNT cloning is. However, like other definitions, you can check it here.. I intend to add more description down there if it's necessary.

Ownership and benefits

The first point I would like to make is who the donor materials belong to. To make a clone, a somatic cell is required, and an egg is required. In the ammendment I propose, both of these items would be donated by the woman. I believe that the ownership, and jurisdiction of these two goods is clearly the woman's. No one has a better claim to the use of her egg than the woman. No one has a better claim to the disposition of a woman's cells than the woman. Our prerequisites for autologous cloning belong solely, and clearly to the woman.

Secondly, any research done with an SCNT clone is expected to benefit the woman more than anyone else. Her cells are being used for the research, and any results of the research will apply to her. Other people, of course, could benefit from the research, but these benefits are predicted to occur based on genetic similarity. However, with the woman, questions of transplantation and genetic compatibility are already resolved. In addition, any unique discoveries regarding her cells will apply to her, before they can be extrapolated to other people.

Other benefactors

Duty to examine the issue carefully

There are a host of people who are expected to benefit from SCNT research and therapies. Because there are actual people who are actually suffering, people who are opposed to SCNT research have a duty to understand the process of what they are attempting to legislate against. They also have a moral duty to determine if their wishes (to prevent certain types of unethical research) preclude autologous SCNT clone creation. Remember, people are suffering, and SCNT can be predicted to lead to cures to:
- Alzheimer's (in Canada alone: 59,340 women are expected to be diagnosed in 2006 alone, going up to 67,680 per year in 2011. A total of 290,000 Canadians currently have Alzheimer's disease. Source
- Parkinson's (currently 100,000 sufferers in Canada) Source
- Glaucoma (1% of the Canadian population) Source
- Paralysis
The earlier a viable treatment can be discovered for any of these, the greater number of people who will benefit.

It is one thing to refuse to aid a person who is suffering; it is quite another issue to prevent others from aiding a person who is suffering.

Duty to create people

I would like to discuss whether we have a duty to create people when given the chance. I acknowledge that we have a moral duty to take care of people that already exist. Whether this involves feeding and educating a child, or providing comfort for the elderly, I believe that all will agree that helping people is morally acceptable.

Conversely, I do not believe that we have a duty to create people, even if the opportunity is present. A married couple is not under pressure to conceive, or to not waste a menstrual cycle. We have the ability to create twins from an embryo (1,2), but a pregnant woman is under no obligation to create twins if she is nurturing an embryo inside of her. These technologies have been availabe for quite some time, I believe that the obligation to create a human (if possible) is deemed to not be present.

Dedifferentiation

A fundamental aspect of my argument is that getting the desired product, an hESC line (a line of cells that can be used to treat those diseases), is theoretically possible without using the SCNT cloning process. A cell normally moves forward along its differentiation pathway, becoming more specialized for its end task (the embryo eventually divides into organ precursors, and those eventually become organs). However, in most cells, the DNA remains the same, but the 'mechanics' of the cell change. As a cell ages, some genes turn off, others turn on. Some proteins move to the cell surface, others are no longer created. However, the DNA of the cell remains the same.

Through a process called dedifferentiation, a laboratory is capable of moving a cell backwards along its regular pathway. For example, in theory, a laboratory could turn a skin cell into a skin stem cell. Then, with even more work, the cell could be turned into younger and younger versions of stem cells (3,4).

Researchers are exploring the process of dedifferentiation. The diseases that I have mentioned above can all be (hopefully) treated using this process to renew necessary cells. This is a viable path for needed therapies.

One issue with dedifferentiation is that there is no good reason why a researcher must stop once a stem cell is created. It is theoretically possible to continue the dedifferentiation pathway, and eventually turn the cell into a viable embryo. While nearly impossible, it is theoretically possible.

However, even if the technologies were in place, there is no duty to create an embryo out of a stem cell. There is no reason why a cell cannot be allowed to dedifferentiate into a stem cell and then used for therapy (for example, make a skin cell into a brain stem cell), we do not HAVE to make it into a viable embryo.. The desired end product of both SCNT cloning and dedifferentiation research (an hESC line) can be achieved through either method.

However, the research in this area is predicted to give viable therapies more slowly (in certain areas) than research using SCNT cloning. Remember, real people are really suffering in the mean time.


SCNT Clone Creation

The goal of SCNT therapeutic clone creation is to generate hESC lines. A bit of clarification is in order. An ESC did not need to come from an embryo, but an ESC is in a certain stage of development. If the cell was generated from using an embryo, it would be an ESC. If the cell was generated by dedifferentiation, it would still be an ESC. By analogy, we call a steering wheel a steering wheel because it comes from a car, however, it is possible to make a steering wheel without making (and destroying) a car. One could get a steering wheel by taking one from a car, or one could just make a steering wheel.

During SCNT clone creation, donor DNA replaces the DNA in the woman's egg. The cell then become 'embryo-like', but cannot be called a viable embryo. At this stage, positive nurturing steps would be required to convert this cell to become enough like an embryo to have a chance at developing into a person. Like with dedifferentiation, the possibilty to create a viable embryo is present, but there is no duty to create a viable embryo.

Alternatively, if these positive steps are not taken, then it is highly unlikely that the cell will become a person, even if implanted into a prepared woman [5]. However, from this 'embryo-like' cell, the process of developing an ESC line is direct, if technically difficult. This means that the desired end product (cells to deliver needed therapies) is achieved, and the process has not varied enough from dedifferentiation to stigmatize the process.

The brunt of this argument is that a viable embryo is never created, and thus is never destroyed. Developing an ESC line through dedifferentiation is morally similar to creation of an ESC line through SCNT cloning. Finally, the product of SCNT most closely resembles the woman - it has her DNA, it can be made into her cells, her body will accept it.

To conclude:
The prerequisites of the activity involve cells that are in the sole jurisdiction of the woman.
The results of the activity can directly benefit the woman.
The results could be gained through more difficult and costly research.
People are suffering from a lack of research, there is moral pressure to not delay the research.
No viable embryos are created.
We have no duty to create a viable embryo out of prerequisites.
The activity should be legal.

Any arguments that are weak, or should be clarified?

Edited by QJones, 19 January 2006 - 06:06 PM.


#2 JonesGuy

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 11:42 PM

What is cloning?
Cloning is the term used to describe the transfer of genetic material from one type of cell to another. An egg cell or an adult stem cell is emptied of its genetic material, and new genetic material from a body cell (like a skin cell, for example) is put into the "empty" cell. Scientists then stimulate this new cloned cell to grow and develop. There are two types of cloning: therapeutic cloning and reproductive cloning.


Source for definition of cloning:

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#3 JonesGuy

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Posted 15 January 2006 - 12:26 AM

[1] Hall JL, Engel D, Gindoff PR, Mottla GL, Stillman RJ. Experimental cloning of human polyploid embryos using an artificial zona pellucida. Conjoint Meeting of the American Fertility Society and the Canadian Fertility and Anrology Society, Oct 11-14, 1993, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, Abstract 001, p.S1.
[2] Hall JL, Yee S. Implantation of zona-free mouse embryos encased in an artificial zona pellucida. 47th Annual Meeting of the American Fertility Society, Oct.21-24, 1991, Orlando, Florida, Abstract 007, p.S3.
[3]Byrne JA, Simonsson S, Western PS, Gurdon JB. Nuclei of adult mammalian somatic cells are directly reprogrammed to oct-4 stem cell gene expression by amphibian oocytes.Curr Biol. 2003 Jul 15;13(14):1206-13.
[4]Chen X et al. Dedifferentiation of adult human myoblasts induced by ciliary neurotrophic factor in vitro. Mol Biol Cell. 2005 Jul;16(7):3140-51. Epub 2005 Apr 20.
[5]Jaenisch, Rudolf. Human Cloning — The Science and Ethics of Nuclear Transplantation. N Engl J Med. 2004 December 30; 351;27

Edited by QJones, 16 January 2006 - 04:56 PM.


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#4 JonesGuy

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 04:56 PM

I will likely expand upon some arguments and descriptions, but does the meat n' bones make sense?

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 07:48 PM

It sounds alright to me, however, I do not see the need to describe a method (dedifferentiation) in order to make the point. It appears the law is quite vague as it stands now. People are worried that embryos and/or nascent humans (whatever term is popular) will be cultivated for body part replacement and what not....some sort of Frankenscience scenario. So to make the law more precise in order to move research forward, we would want it to say something like "Any person can create stem cells from their own DNA as long it does not involve creating viable embryos."

#6 JonesGuy

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 08:59 PM

Thanks sir. I appreciate any feedback, because I intend to make this a final presentation in the near future. Any and all input is desired, because we really do need to change the laws.

I included the section on dedifferentiation (and have ammended it above) to show that the end result (hESC lines) is achievable without SCNT cloning, but that it seems to be morally acceptable because no embryo was created. Then I would compare the SCNT cloning process, to show that (similarily) no embryo is ever created. The best thing you can call a SCNT clone is "embryo like" in that, with nurturing, it could become a viable embryo.

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#7 John Schloendorn

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:05 PM

SCNT can be predicted to lead to cures to

These claims need to be backed up rather thoroughly. Because opponents (in dire clash with reality) often say there is no such evidence. So you need to slap the evidence into their faces from the beginning... But you could also try to find high profile individuals who predicted it would work in humans (try West, Weissman, Schatten for a start). Also I have made a small list for you of what has actually been completely fixed in mouse models by cloning: SCID[1] Parkinson's[2], I could have sworn there was a convincing diabetes one but can't find it... Then you could also add the diseases that have been fixed with non-cloned ES cells, and argue that there is no strong reason to believe this wouldn't work with cloned ones as well because they're very similar, and the goal of this research is to make them even more similar. So, fertilization-derived ES cells in mice, improved or completely fixed: Stroke [3], blood clotting deficiency [4], heart attack [5], bone-marrow disorders [6], diabetes [7] and one form of deafness [8], and the list is growing. I hope once a policy maker becomes aware of this, they will have a hard time listening to anyone who claims there's "no evidence" cloning can fix anything... Also mention that in several cases, people looked for serious side effects (teratoma) and didn't find any, or fixed them as well (e.g. the marrow one very nicely).

dedifferentiation

Good, I like your argument now much better than the first version.

create future people

You might as well cite some hardcore philosophy literature on this topic. There are a number of essays out there that might well support you, just to make it look more professional... For example, google the "mere addition paradox".

Thanks for your initiative, good work, keep it up!


[1] Rideout, W., Hochedlinger, K., Kyba, M., Daley, G. & Jaenisch, R. Correction of a genetic defect by nuclear transplantation and combined cell and gene therapy. Cell 109, 17-27 (2002)

[2] Barberi T, Klivenyi P, Calingasan NY, Lee H, Kawamata H, Loonam K, Perrier AL, Bruses J, Rubio ME, Topf N, Tabar V, Harrison NL, Beal MF, Moore MA, Studer L. Neural subtype specification of fertilization and nuclear transfer embryonic stem cells and application in parkinsonian mice. Nat Biotechnol. 2003 Oct;21(10):1200-7.

[3] S. Chiba, R. Ikeda, M. Kurokawa, H. Yoshikawa, M. Takeno, H. Nagafuchi, M. Tadokoro, H. Sekino, T. Hashimoto, N. Suzuki, Anatomical and functional recovery by embryonic stem cell-derived neural tissue of a mouse model of brain damage, J Neurol Sci 2004; 219(1-2): 107-117.

[4] J. Fair, B. Cairns, M. Lapaglia, M. Caballero, W. Pleasant, S. Hatada, H. Kim, T. Gui, L. Pevny, A. Meyer, D. Stafford, O. Smithies, J. Frelinger, Correction of factor IX deficiency in mice by embryonic stem cells differentiated in vitro, Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 2005; 102(8): 2958-2963.

[5] T. Kofidis, J. de Bruin, T. Yamane, L. Balsam, D. Lebl, R. Swijnenburg, M. Tanaka, I. Weissman, R. Robbins, Insulin-like growth factor promotes engraftment, differentiation, and functional improvement after transfer of embryonic stem cells for myocardial restoration, Stem Cells 2004; 22(7): 1239-1245.

[6] R. Burt, L. Verda, D. Kim, Y. Oyama, K. Luo, C. Link, Embryonic stem cells as an alternate marrow donor source: engraftment without graft-versus-host disease, J Exp Med 2004; 199(7): 895-904.

[7] D. Kim, Y. Gu, M. Ishii, M. Fujimiya, M. Qi, N. Nakamura, T. Yoshikawa, S. Sumi, K. Inoue, In vivo functioning and transplantable mature pancreatic islet-like cell clusters differentiated from embryonic stem cell, Pancreas 2003; 27(2): e34-41.

[8] H. Li, G. Roblin, H. Liu, S. Heller, Generation of hair cells by stepwise differentiation of embryonic stem cells, Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 2003; 100(23): 13495-13500.

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:11 PM

Also, you might mention the possibility of ANT and its appreciation by some (but not all) leading bioconservative thinkers [9].

[9] Hurlbut WB. Altered nuclear transfer as a morally acceptable means for the procurement of human embryonic stem cells. Perspect Biol Med. 2005 Spring;48(2):211-28.

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:22 PM

Thanks John! Once again, a motivated scientist is worth ten unmotivated ones.

You don't mind if I use some of your work, of course? I will incorporate many of your suggestions.

I intend to make this into a multi-link paper, instead of a one-track article. That way, if someone disagrees, they can click for more information.

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 02:40 PM

Firstly, I think the essay is quite promising. Where do you aim to publish it?

Stylistically, I would advise even clearer structure: start with an abstract, end with conclusions. Minimize phrases like "I would like" until you get to the conclusion.

From a bioethics perspective, I think you should loose the "duty to create a person" bit or make much clearer why you think that discussion is relevant. Unless you really want to make a strong rhetorical point, it is also not helpful to allege that you can revert any somatic cell to an embryo. Maybe use 'embryo-like'.
In contrast to Mind's comment I would consider the dedifferentiation part the meat of your argument, and advise you to make even clearer what this entails.

Jurisprudentially, many things are missing. If you want to make a legal argument, you actually need to consider the the text of the law, its ratio and genesis and provide clear suggestions for amending it.




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